Also on a side note, LISTEN TO THE "VETERANS" HERE....When I first started this whole kettle thing I read how all you needed was a razor blade, steel wool and elbow grease. I figured if a razor and steel wool worked, I would forego the elbow grease and whip out the angle grinder with a wire cup on it...ELBOW GREASE MY ASS!.... To the point, DON'T DO IT! Luckily I went cautiously and realized I was going to BURN the finish from the friction alone. I now own a big jar of "elbow grease". The other night I was cleaning a kettle, most of the ones I have gotten barely make it home and wiped off before I cook on them, This was the pre-elbow grease time, and realized just how EASY a grimy ass kettle is to clean up. TIP, change blades often, But yes, The guys here know their shit! listen and you will appreciate it.