must be the kettle karma i keep hearing about , gave my neighbor a common newer black one last month . week later he reaches over the fence to had me a huge plate of wood cooked pork yummys and lamb shiskabobs ! omg turns out he's a major bbq dude and was going to get a charcoal grill anyway . hmmm time to offer one up to another neighbor lol. haved pm'd rotti guy already but i have to give him a huge thank you on here ! don't know if i going to keep it ( it's too nice to use , i have others , but if and when i get rid of it rotti -guy has first dibs .