I made an intro post, now to find what I need, if possible. All help appreciated. I have a first Generation Performer, SS, with gas assist, hoping to find the following, or info on where to locate, info on if these are yet available or difficult to source? Thanks in advance for any help.
Steve
1 Ash Sweep
2 Cover
3 Igniter
4 Owners Manual
Owner manuals are available on Weber.com.
Amazon is good for parts. Also grillparts.com
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Thank you. Can you tell me if the ignitor , ash sweep, and cover are easy to find?
https://www.appliancefactoryparts.com/gasgrillparts/brands/weber/performer-touch---n-go--prior-2000-.html
https://www.fix.com/models/grill/weber/id762376/821001-before%202000/section6559109/page-a/
Quote from: ibuzzard on July 06, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
Thank you. Can you tell me if the ignitor , ash sweep, and cover are easy to find?
Yes. Weber parts are easy to find.
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Thank you. I downloaded a copy of the owners manual, and have ordered the cover. Will keep going!
My understanding is the current performer covers will not fit, but there are plenty of aftermarket ones that do. Do a search on it & you'll find a thread or two.
You should be able to order the Weber parts direct from Weber. They used to have, and likely still do, have SS sweeps. Many years of SSP came with SS sweeps. You might have an earlier one without? SS sweeps work well and last a long time. There are guys here that will buy used grills just for SS sweeps.
Not sure the part number for the SS sweeps, but a search should turn it up.
I'd also recommend the new style lid bale. It holds the lid more open than the SSP style lid bale. If you are calling Weber, I'd pick one of these up.
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/2015-lid-bale-on-ss-perf/msg160544/#msg160544 (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/2015-lid-bale-on-ss-perf/msg160544/#msg160544)
Here are the part numbers for Weber stainless steel ash sweeps - - (22") - 90720 (18") - 90719
Thank you all for the help. I made sure the cover I ordered is large enough.
Cellar, I could not find that number for the ash sweeps listed on Webers site, do you have a link?
Chapin, thanks for all your help with the tank/regulator/ adaptor, I will check tomorrow about having it re-certified. Also, parts are on order to convert to the electric ignition. If I can get the stainless sweeps, will order the recommended better bale also.
Steve
Quote from: ibuzzard on July 07, 2019, 12:14:16 PM
Thank you all for the help. I made sure the cover I ordered is large enough.
Cellar, I could not find that number for the ash sweeps listed on Webers site, do you have a link?
Chapin, thanks for all your help with the tank/regulator/ adaptor, I will check tomorrow about having it re-certified. Also, parts are on order to convert to the electric ignition. If I can get the stainless sweeps, will order the recommended better bale also.
Steve
You have to call Weber to order those. You might see if they still have free shipping on $50 or more purchases then order two sets and only pay tax.
The part number for the newer style lid bail that allows the lid to open wider is #65188. This and the SS ash sweeps have to be ordered by calling Weber Customer Service 1-800-446-1071. I sent you a PM.
My first generation performer had the old style sweeps. I pulled some SS ones from a second generation to swap it out. If you want to use the old ring & old ash bucket, you'll need to do one of several mods. If you have trouble finding them, let me know.
Also, if you put an older style sweeps in a grill with the newer bucket, you can just buy a large washer to place under the handle of the sweep to keep the sweeps tight against the grill.
Thank you, guys, I just ordered the newer style bale, and SS sweeps. Potsie, I will contact you for mods when parts arrive.
This is the route I'm going to go with, courtesy of
@swamprb. It requires a couple of rivets that are allegedly not really noticeable. It seems like you can basically have them hidden behind the leg sockets on the kettle.
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/**master-touchperformer-ash-catcher-bars-won't-be-needing-them-anymore!**/msg192045/#msg192045
There are other routes you can find here http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-grill-modifications-customs/replacing-old-(original-design)-'one-touch'-ash-sweeps/msg342879/#msg342879
& also over here http://weberkettleclub.com/blog/2014/03/03/converting-a-weber-ots-to-otg/
While it is less important on a performer, some of the other methods require you to drill into the leg mounts (which I'd like to avoid). Another method requires you to drill into the legs themselves, which initially seemed like a better idea to me because the legs are easily replaced & there is no damage to the main components (the bowl & lid). After I thought about it, I realized that if you want to transport the kettle, pack it up for storage, or whatever, the ring will basically come off with the legs unless you remember to unscrew it first & you'll potentially damage the ring.
I liked the hose clamp method, but it is probably more noticeable & I don't have major qualms with putting a couple of rivets through the ring that holds the ash bucket. Both the hose clamps & wire methods also seem to have potential to damage the porcelain.
That is how I cam to my decision anyway. Even though my old sweeps are in great shape, I'm swapping them out for stainless steel ones, just so I never have to worry about them.
Theres a way to mod the 7444 ash sweep for 1st gen ash can setups.
I did a writeup on this and anither memebrr uploaded my schematics
Its super simple..just takes a little time and metal file
I just found this thread today on one
@greenweb did by bending the old ash can cross bar so it is flush with the kettle & deleting the H washer. A couple posts later, he mentions using a ss washer to keep the bar in place.
I think I ran across some references to your method
@toolhead, but did not run across a decent explanation of it.
Did you see the schematics upload post?
I didn't find any schematics.
But, one of the links I included has a post by
@addicted-to-smoke that says "The 7444 sweeps come with a washer that's too thick to replace that ash bar. OR, if still good, retain your ash bar AND use the new 7444 sweeps by taking a round file to the two holes that the sweeps' lever passes through and it'll install OK. Some trial and error is needed here. Hat tip to
@toolhead for that mod."
Quote from: toolhead on July 09, 2019, 11:28:37 AM
Did you see the schematics upload post?
@PotsieWeber Let me know if this link works for you..
Its super simple...i figured it out years ago...just need circular metal file
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/solving-the-7409-ash-sweep-problem/msg301142/#msg301142
I just linked you..that thread has my schematic.
Toss the h washer its useless..
Just get a file and check your work.
If you open the hole too much its too loose..you want it snug.
Test fit first.. try to slip in the handle...mark with sharpie where its hitting so you can eyeball clearance required.
Then stop short of clearance and test fit.
Remember you have to file both drop points of the ash sweeps..so you have 2 holes to file down
Thanks for the link.
One more questions,
@toolhead. When you do the filing you suggested, do you have to bend the bar or not?
? You only mod the ash sweep.
Look at it this way.
The problem is that the holes dont accept the 7444 ash sweep
Solution: open up the holes
Thats all thats required.
If you ash bar is deformed its a good time to bend it back into shape.
A lot of the original bars are bent due to rust and water weight in the pan weighing on the bar and deforming the bar so the pan sits low.
Let me know if you need more help...
Budget about 1 hr for the mod...filing the holes takes some sweating ..
Im about to post an aluminum ash catcher bar that i fabricated myself in the sale forum, given this thread is reminding me i have a spare in my weber parts box lol
If you dont have a metal file set.
Hdepot or lowes..
I have a kobalt set i bought for 29.99 ten years ago ..comes in handy..just used it to sharpen 4 lawnmower blades this past weekend.
@toolheadSo, you throw away the h washer
You open up the two holes in the finlike projections that fit through the h washer
My understanding is you are opening up the hole enough for clearance of the ash can retaining bar thing (so you don't have to bend it down towards the kettle, like one of another solution).
I assume you use the new sweep handle, not the old one or is it vice versa?
I've picked up files dirt cheap at garage sales over time. I should have something that will work.
Toss H washer or toss them in a bin....i have a pile of them lol.
I think this will help
Wipe out any prior mod you read about
Then take a look at the schematic
My mod is a solution by itself and requires no other mod to be combined with it to work
The h washer itself is what it is..its a washer so the ash handle has a clean rubbing surface
Old model cans simply used the ash catcher bar as both a washer and bracket to hold the ash ring
If you are modding a 7444 to the old ash cans...your ash catcher bar replaces the h washer.
The problem with 7444 working with older ash cans is that the h washers are thinner then the old ash catcher bar so using a 7444 ash sweep with older ash catcher bar...the ash sweep bar wont fit into the holes...(also your old bar is probably a little bent which makes the tolerances even worse)
Open up the holes and the problem is solved.
I think once you get in front of this at home..this will make a lot of sense.
All that said..the flat part of your ash bar that mates against the bottom bowl (has holes in it).
This one inch middle section should be flat....its probably bowed downwards a but from weight of holding ash pan for years.
Take a hammer and hammer the one inch middle section straight.
Your ash pan will sit tighter /flush like when it was new and it will also be less filing for you
The link i sent you shows my redhead with the aluminum ash catcher bar/7444 modded and show the ash pan assembly nice and snug against the bowl like it should be
By the way
@toolhead, I tried it & it worked out fine. I did it with a stainless set of ash sweeps, so I should never have to deal with it again.
I was thinking about trying to open up the hole a bit more to accommodate the h-washer, in addition to the bar, just to prevent the handle from revolving. But it seems in there pretty tight already, where you can revolve the sweep handle if you want to, but it is not really going anywhere. So, I decided to heck with it. I take it that is how you leave it
@toolhead.
F the h washer it useless lol.
I have a pile of them in my parts bin
Glad to hear it worked out for you
Keep in mind...stainless steel is rust resistant ..not rust proof
Also pending the grade ss
Im pretty sure weber aint offering 300 series grade ss in their ash sweeps
Add in the corrosive element of charcoal ash with food drippings n heat...the SS sweeps will rust out eventually.
Tho they will weather better than the aluminized sweeps.
Quote from: toolhead on August 18, 2019, 05:10:13 PM
F the h washer they r useless lol.
I have a pile of them in my parts bin
Glad to hear it worked out for you
Keep in mind...stainless steel is rust resistant ..not rust proof
Also pending the grade ss
Im pretty sure weber aint offering 300 series grade ss in their ash sweeps
Add in the corrosive element of charcoal ash with food drippings n heat...the SS sweeps will rust out eventually.
Tho they will weather better than the aluminized sweeps.