I'm just looking for anyone that can show photos of porcelain chips, not crazing... on the grate strap weld points of the outside of the bowl. Just looking to document high heat damage from banking charcoal against the bowl of colored kettles.
Thanks
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@Jeff hope this helps
Guys, thanks for the sad photos!! Its just what I need.
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I've got more pics, but they are kettles in various states of paint RRR
Uh, can you keep them coming because I need a bunch too.
Both used as fire pits. Can't get much more high heat damage than that.
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Quote from: Cellar2ful on April 01, 2017, 09:45:56 PM
Both used as fire pits. Can't get much more high heat damage than that.
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Do you mind if i use the higher resolution of these in an upcoming WKC video?
Sure, no problem. Need me to email you high resolution original files
@Troy?
@jeff @troy. Just out of curiosity, why are you needing these photos.
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Quote from: tb80 on April 02, 2017, 05:51:08 AM
@Jeff @Troy. Just out of curiosity, why are you needing these photos.
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I got a Pizza Que for someone that is using a blue MT I got for them. I am trying to explain to them to be cautious about how they are going to bank their coals against the bowl and how high heat can chip out the paint at the grate strap welds. Wow..that sentence sounded bad!! :)
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Here's some from a Performer I picked up from CL. Guy was using lump in it. You should have see the charcoal grate ....
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I must be doing it wrong. My mid 2000's ots doesn't show any signs of damage and it's been left outside and has had hot fires banked frequently the whole time. It's only had a wood fire in it a couple times for warmth during get togethers. Not cooking.
I've also only used it once for pizza and it gets pretty freakin hot. I could see that doing damage.
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I'm with the Hoosier. I've banked coals on almost every cook in a 2011 green otg, many of them extremely high heat, and I've never seen the slightest sign of damage or wear. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but either it takes a very long time or there's something different about the newer kettles.
It seems the rust develops because oxygen and moisture are able to get through the enamel and cause corrosion. If high heat causes expansion & contraction at different rates in the metal and porcelain then I suppose cracks and chips could develop. I just haven't seen them.
I have an '88 red kettle, and I avoid banking coals in it because of the concerns discussed on this forum. I want to preserve it as best I can. But it's likely that I'll always bank coals in my main cooker. It's just part of how I achieve high heat while maintaining two zones.
Do the stock baskets prevent this? How about high heat with the slow n sear? Wondering if the issue is the heat near the bowl or the coals making contact.
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Oh man I just experienced that this morning. Walked out back with my dogs and noticed what looked like a circular punch on the side of my 1 year old European lime 22. I touched it and a chunk of porcelain fell off! WTH? I do bank lump and run hot to cook steaks, but I thought the Webers were made to handle this?
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I also have a question about using the Weber baskets, I cook 90% indirect and always use the baskets because I think that keeping the direct heat OFF the kettle will keep it from chipping or cracking. Am I correct in my thinking ? Or am I just over protective of my gear? What do you guys think?
I know from using my 18" for years with-out baskets that if you don't go ape-shit with the amount of coals that it won't hurt, so I thought that with my MT using more charcoal that the baskets act like a heat dam / heat shield to protect it.
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Quote from: Rub on May 16, 2017, 07:04:18 AM
Oh man I just experienced that this morning. Walked out back with my dogs and noticed what looked like a circular punch on the side of my 1 year old European lime 22. I touched it and a chunk of porcelain fell off! WTH? I do bank lump and run hot to cook steaks, but I thought the Webers were made to handle this?
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I would call Weber customer service if I had a 1 year old that popped.
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Here's what happens... When you bank the coals against the side of the grill, you have the direct heat right against the bowl. so you have direct heat transferring to the metal. If you use baskets, that little bit of air makes a big difference in how temperature is transferred to the metal and enamel.
Colored kettle owners...You've been warned. Use baskets or take your chances. I've seen it happen over and over.
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It works on blacks as well. I blew out my original weber after three yrs.
That is the sad way how it happens. At first a spot chips of and after the metal got freed of enamell the rest goes by humid, rain and so on....
Thank you Dr. @Jeff
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You guys have scared me off from using my old red. It already has crazing all around the bowl. Baskets have a small opening in the bottom back. What will prevent this?
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Disregard. I reread. I will use baskets and maybe leave a little gap
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This is my fourth coming SSP. Most of my cookers have dimples. I'll try to get some pics.
Disclaimer: All of mine have come with dimples. I use baskets for 90% of my cooks. Only one Pizzakettle cook in my beater econokettle.
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Quote from: tb80 on April 02, 2017, 05:51:08 AM
@Jeff @Troy. Just out of curiosity, why are you needing these photos.
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I got a Pizza Que for someone that is using a blue MT I got for them. I am trying to explain to them to be cautious about how they are going to bank their coals against the bowl and how high heat can chip out the paint at the grate strap welds. Wow..that sentence sounded bad!! :)
Good advice...i bought a scratch n dent black MT just for high heat cooks ie..KP if i ever buy one again...just for this reason...all my other ssp performers are mint colored kettles...so i wouldnt high heat /bank coals on tbe ssps