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Greg
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What int he hell is that monstrocity?
Looks like its a Frankenweber..
How about some more close up pics of the igniter..
Is that a Weber prototype of its first modern gas grill?
Boy I must have missed this one, what area in MN was this listed on CL?
Is that a Performer kettle mounted on an old gas frame? I ask because if that's the same as the red Performer in the background, you could just verify that the igniter is hooked up correctly and you're getting gas through the burner tube.
I have some extra igniters you can have if that's what's needed...assuming my wife didn't do away with them in her fit of garage cleaning >:(
Its like someone took an old gas ketle and mounted it in a gasser table, ala performer..
I have never seen a brown SS Performer. So the brackets on the bowl are probably bolted or welded. Someone sure spent a lot of time makeing the table top..
One thing I never noticed on the gas kettle is the vented lid.. Is that how they were made or did someone punch those out?
Very interesting indeed. If you can't get the gas to work, you can always convert it to charcoal.
Is that what those are, vents on the lid? They look original, but I've never seen a Weber kettle lid like THAT before.
Funny, I just assumed the gas was for gas assist, not a gas kettle.
Greg, you have one unique kettle :D
Sorry for the late response. It is gas, it is a performer head. I am not sure, but I think it must be similar in inside design to other Kettles mounted to a stand...Yes the hood is vented down by the lip. I will try to take better pics in the light.
The story is, this guy received it as a house warming gift. His buddie's dad was retired from Weber and it was stored in his Dad's garage. So he instead of buying a gift, he gave this grill to him.
Help me other Kettle gassers, but the gas head goes up for direct heat and below a pan for indirect heat.
Are yours the same?
I don;t have one to compare.. It sure is an odd duck. Could be a custom job made from parts that Weber had laying around.. One of the workers idea to spend the day.. Or its a prototype.
Intersting that it has a modern propane adapter..
It is crazy. I will get better pica when it is cleaned up. It has all Weber logos. Real wood trim and a wood handle with the logo.
Greg
I have no dobt its all Weber, but not a production item.. At least not one I have ever seen..
Can anyone tell me if this was production item?
I need some help with ignigter and hose. It also has a scale for the propane tank.
Quote from: Chad A on October 24, 2012, 05:54:30 PM
Boy I must have missed this one, what area in MN was this listed on CL?
Is that a Performer kettle mounted on an old gas frame? I ask because if that's the same as the red Performer in the background, you could just verify that the igniter is hooked up correctly and you're getting gas through the burner tube.
I have some extra igniters you can have if that's what's needed...assuming my wife didn't do away with them in her fit of garage cleaning >:(
It is an odd igniter. But it actually works. It just won't ignite. I will clean out the bowl. But I am not sure how it comes apart ...it has tray in the bottom and flame is above for direct, then you can lower below the tray for indirect cooking.
thats the same as in other posts from one here in oz on ebay
which the owner joined the other day
the one hogsy is gunna bid on
same lid vents
Quote from: Golly on October 24, 2012, 10:13:10 PM
thats the same as in other posts from one here in oz on ebay
which the owner joined the other day
the one hogsy is gunna bid on
same lid vents
It is the same gas version, but this is a performer kettle mounted to the cart.
I hope the one in Oz gets a good home.
Must be the elusive prototype for the original Touch N Go or now known as the Performer..Show us the brackets that mount to the bowl..Please. 8)
Quote from: Heyjude on October 25, 2012, 06:16:57 AM
Must be the elusive prototype for the original Touch N Go or now known as the Performer..Show us the brackets that mount to the bowl..Please. 8)
I will try to get some better pictures. The Brackets are the same mount as the Performers. Bolts to the frame.
Owner said it is Charcoal or Gas, but after inspection, I would not use charcoal in this. Can some that owns a kettle
gas that I have seen posted? Want to verify the burner situation, as the burner in up position is direct, the option is to
lower the burner and it cooks indirect. Pretty neat for its time. Would be nice to know the age of this. Has a S/N# beginning
A 59....all I can remember.
Quote from: Heyjude on October 25, 2012, 06:16:57 AM
Must be the elusive prototype for the original Touch N Go or now known as the Performer..Show us the brackets that mount to the bowl..Please. 8)
AJ, I have the answer to your question on elusive.
From Weber:
"Hello,
Thank you for your email. Well, it does seem like most of the parts are Weber but they are from different grills. The frame to that grill is not original. This grill has been modified more than most I've seen. Unfortunately we would have absolutely no parts available for replacement on this grill. I apologize for any inconvenience.
If you need further assistance, please let me know."
Thank you,
XXXX
Customer Service Representative
I spoke with the CSR after this. They brought this to the manager. They think this was a backyard project...
Personally, after speaking with the person I purchased this from, this grill was made for the Salesman, in
appreciation for his service at Weber. The decorative wood around this, is identical to the handle wood.
I am going to check more closely, hoping to find "Weber" burned in the trim.
Update, I have spoke with Chad, he is coming to put another set of eyes on the authenticity of this grill.
Here are my thoughts on this grill.
The lid is from an original Weber gas kettle. Yes, those vents on the lid are original. I've seen them on several old gas kettles
The bowl is from a brown Performer based on those brackets pictured. Yes, I have seen one brown SS Performer. I'd like to see the ignitor and bowl section better too.
Im not too familar with gas grills, but thats what the frame looks like to me. Its too bad most of those pictures are a bit blurry.
With older rare Weber grills...95% of Weber customer service have no clue one whats what...and many of us here on this board know much more than they do!! LOL
To me it looks like it was probably made by a Weber employee. Probably in his spare time with discarded or slightly defective parts. Then it was given to the salesman as some kind of present, maybe even jokingly..
Weber will never acknowledge it, but you could probably get it going.. There can't be too much to the gas part. The basics of a gas grill are a burner tube, a regulator, and an ignitor, which is not really esential.. Those grills have lava rocks that help keep the heat evenly distributed.
Take out all the lava rocks and see what the burner looks like..
AJ
Quote from: Jeff on October 25, 2012, 07:30:44 PM
Here are my thoughts on this grill.
The lid is from an original Weber gas kettle. Yes, those vents on the lid are original. I've seen them on several old gas kettles
The bowl is from a brown Performer based on those brackets pictured. Yes, I have seen one brown SS Performer. I'd like to see the ignitor and bowl section better too.
Im not too familar with gas grills, but thats what the frame looks like to me. Its too bad most of those pictures are a bit blurry.
With older rare Weber grills...95% of Weber customer service have no clue one whats what...and many of us here on this board know much more than they do!! LOL
Here is a picture of the base. I can upload the inside of the bowl pic's. I took two, one in direct burn and the other in indirect cook mode.
The igniter is mounted on the left of the S/N# plate.
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Yeah...some pics of the bottom of the bowl itself, and one of the inside would be good.
Thats an interesting setup. I've never seen one like it. Learn something new everyday.
Craig
Quote from: Jeff on October 26, 2012, 05:38:11 AM
Yeah...some pics of the bottom of the bowl itself, and one of the inside would be good.
I will get those posted tonight from home. Need to upload to photobucket.
Quote from: glrasmussen on October 26, 2012, 05:57:33 AM
Quote from: Jeff on October 26, 2012, 05:38:11 AM
Yeah...some pics of the bottom of the bowl itself, and one of the inside would be good.
I will get those posted tonight from home. Need to upload to photobucket.
Here is the bottom bowl and igniter. I also learned today the grill itself is 1979.
Sorry, I have not had time to clean... Greg
Full cook position.
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Indirect cook position.
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Igniter.
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Cool old grill. I think you can get a round burner from Music City Metels, they used to sell replacements. Also, I don't think that was a gas grill frame, the 22" bowl is to wide for the old Genesis frames, and there was always a ignition access hole in front panel on the Genesis gas grills. It looks like the cart was made for that grill. Definitely have not seen that one before. Great find!
I can't see where the gas comes out, but I suspect it won't light becuase the gas isn't flowing very well. You need to clean it and make sure the orifices are clear.
AJ....why don't you go make sure your orifices are clear?
Brian
Quote from: Heyjude on October 26, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
I can't see where the gas comes out, but I suspect it won't light becuase the gas isn't flowing very well. You need to clean it and make sure the orifices are clear.
It lights, just not with igniter.
Does the igniter come apart? In order for it to light, 2 things have to happen.
First, the gas has to flow long enough to ignite.
Second, the igniter needs to be close to the gas..
Not trying to be a smart ass, its been my experinece that sometimes the "spark" isn;t close enough or strong enough to ignite the gas. Also, the gas needs to flow for a few seconds to get enough to ignite.
I wold still clean all that rust and check the burner orifices. I would think that this thing can dissassemble fairly easy.
I've neve seen that exact igniter, but I bet something could be adapted.
I still say it was made from leftover parts by one of the plant employees..
Hey Brian,
Why don't you go blow it out your orrifice!
Disclaimer: For those who don't know it, Brian and I are friends.. Not in the "I love ya man" sense, but more of a, "You stay on your side of the country, and I'll stay in beautiful sunny California."
8)
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This grill is so cool! Those grates would take alot of work to make since every length is different
Quote from: zavod44 on October 26, 2012, 11:09:13 PM
AJ....why don't you go make sure your orifices are clear?
Brian
Nuthun worse than a dirty orifice, I always say.
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on October 27, 2012, 07:30:26 AM
This grill is so cool! Those grates would take alot of work to make since every length is different
I'm pretty envious that he got it, but I am glad one of US did get it. I'm hoping to take a peek at it since Greg lives only about 10 minutes away. I'm pretty sure if I tell him to "look over there", I could fit it in my CRV quickly enough before he notices ;)
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Quote from: pbe gummi bear on October 27, 2012, 07:30:26 AM
This grill is so cool! Those grates would take alot of work to make since every length is different
:)
I'm pretty envious that he got it, but I am glad one of US did get it. I'm hoping to take a peek at it since Greg lives only about 10 minutes away. I'm pretty sure if I tell him to "look over there", I could fit it in my CRV quickly enough before he notices ;)
LOL, I might be old, wise and not blind...
Quote from: Heyjude on October 27, 2012, 06:40:01 AM
Does the igniter come apart? In order for it to light, 2 things have to happen.
First, the gas has to flow long enough to ignite.
Second, the igniter needs to be close to the gas..
Not trying to be a smart ass, its been my experinece that sometimes the "spark" isn;t
close enough or strong enough to ignite the gas. Also, the gas needs to flow for a few seconds to get enough to ignite.
I wold still clean all that rust and check the burnr orifices. I would think that this thing can dissassemble fairly easy.
I've neve seen that exact igniter, but I bet something could be adapted.
I still say it was made from leftover parts by one of the plant employees..
I think it will have to be in the indirect mode to ignite. After cleaning I will update.
Quote from: Heyjude on October 27, 2012, 07:04:57 AM
Hey Brian,
Why don't you go blow it out your orrifice!
Disclaimer: For those who don't know it, Brian and I are friends.. Not in the "I love ya man" sense, but more of a, "You stay on your side of the country, and I'll stay in beautiful sunny California."
8)
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Listen.... you hippies can have your mediocre weather....It's not like you live in San Diego. I am very content here in Chicago...the birthplace of Weber. There is something I like about every season, and just when I start to get sick of it it changes. Last winter was very mild here....and honestly no joke it was so weird and I really didn't like it. There was hardly and snow and it sucked...Now I'm sure I could get used to your fog and what not, and I do love seafood...but I'm very content right here
Brian
Oh and as far as loving AJ, I want to fly out and hug him....maybe just a little too long ;)
Me thinks that Brain has been drinking..
You can claim to like the weather changes.. But you have been brainwashed to think "seasonal"
As for lving near "mecca" the ancoent home of Weber, until you can get intot he vault, you might as well live in Alaska..
The advantage we have in Cali is simple.. We don't need long underwar just to go out and get the paper!
As for that hug.. Well... I'm gonna hold you o that!
8)
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Quote from: glrasmussen on October 26, 2012, 05:57:33 AM
Quote from: Jeff on October 26, 2012, 05:38:11 AM
Yeah...some pics of the bottom of the bowl itself, and one of the inside would be good.
I will get those posted tonight from home. Need to upload to photobucket.
Here is the bottom bowl and igniter. I also learned today the grill itself is 1979.
Sorry, I have not had time to clean... Greg
Full cook position.
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Indirect cook position.
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Igniter.
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I was able to look at this grill in more depth today.
I did get it working occasionally with the igniter.
That being said, the igniter actually moves up and down.
I assume this it to get it out of direct heat. It can only be lit
in indirect mode. The directions on the igniter say, if you do not here a
swoosh, shut down for 5 minutes and then light with match.
It has some issues with the indirect plate and burner, they do not seal totally tight.
It is operational, but I think it is going to be a conversation
piece. I will fire it up for show, but probably not cook, as the
parts in the bowl are not replaceable.
It was 75 at the beach today and 75 when I got home. The ocean was glass calm. 8)
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These are some pics of a grill that got away. Weber never acknowledged this one either.
That is an interesting gasser.
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These are some pics of a grill that got away. Weber never acknowledged this one either.
Is that yours? I just saw that on a blog, trying to figure out mine.
No unfortunately it is not mine.
I saw it on line, but forgot the site. It was a type of food blog. I emailed the author and asked about it. He said it was his uncle's grill. Sadly the uncle had gotten rid of it.
If only I had contacted him earlier....
I think he said his uncle got it at Sears. But researching Sears catalogs (1967-1973) has found nothing. Weber make a gas kettle with a longer post, the wheels were directly under the bowl. This one has a short post under the bowl, very similar to yours.
Keep us updated on your research/findings.
Update. Well I put in a call a few weeks ago on this to have the local Weber Rep. contact me. He contacted me today.
He will do an even exchange for a 'New" Performer 2012/2013. He said it was a proto-type and very few were made.
He said there is a Hardware store in Fargo North Dakota that has a Weber museum that it would be placed in.
What are your thoughts? I just know I will never use it, and only us here can appreciate it.
Greg
Quote from: glrasmussen on November 14, 2012, 09:39:40 AM
Update. Well I put in a call a few weeks ago on this to have the local Weber Rep. contact me. He contacted me today.
He will do an even exchange for a 'New" Performer 2012/2013. He said it was a proto-type and very few were made.
He said there is a Hardware store in Fargo North Dakota that has a Weber museum that it would be placed in.
What are your thoughts? I just know I will never use it, and only us here can appreciate it.
Greg
I think Jeff has dealt with them before and might have some advice. Where exactly is this weber museum? Is there a website to it?
Quote from: Duke on November 14, 2012, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: glrasmussen on November 14, 2012, 09:39:40 AM
Update. Well I put in a call a few weeks ago on this to have the local Weber Rep. contact me. He contacted me today.
He will do an even exchange for a 'New" Performer 2012/2013. He said it was a proto-type and very few were made.
He said there is a Hardware store in Fargo North Dakota that has a Weber museum that it would be placed in.
What are your thoughts? I just know I will never use it, and only us here can appreciate it.
Greg
I think Jeff has dealt with them before and might have some advice. Where exactly is this weber museum? Is there a website to it?
He said it is a hardware store in Fargo. I can't find it listed either. He Rep. Lives in Roseville, could be Chad undercover? LOL!
Found it, Scheels Ace Hardware.
What? Oh, um, I don't know what you MEAN? :P
I don't know Greg, all though I haven't seen it in person, I'd be very reluctant to give it up, even for a new Performer. I'll be up in Hugo tomorrow (Thursday) around noon looking at a SJG from CL, you around at all?
Quote from: Chad A on November 14, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
What? Oh, um, I don't know what you MEAN? :P
I don't know Greg, all though I haven't seen it in person, I'd be very reluctant to give it up, even for a new Performer. I'll be up in Hugo tomorrow around noon looking at a SJG from CL, you around at all?
I'll be working, then a wake and then up north for a little deer hunting and R&R. Will be doing some 12oz curls too. :D
Quote from: glrasmussen on November 14, 2012, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: Chad A on November 14, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
What? Oh, um, I don't know what you MEAN? :P
I don't know Greg, all though I haven't seen it in person, I'd be very reluctant to give it up, even for a new Performer. I'll be up in Hugo tomorrow around noon looking at a SJG from CL, you around at all?
I'll be working, then a wake and then up north for a little deer hunting and R&R. Will be doing some 12oz curls too. :D
Wear mittens :D
I traded a red electric kettle for a never used, new in box, Vikings SJS. I wish I hadn't but I was worried I wouldn't be able to refurbish it well. Then I found this site a few months later...bummer! Anyway, I doubt I could match the cost of a new Performer, but I'd gladly discuss trades if it were to come up.
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Quote from: glrasmussen on November 14, 2012, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: Chad A on November 14, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
What? Oh, um, I don't know what you MEAN? :P
I don't know Greg, all though I haven't seen it in person, I'd be very reluctant to give it up, even for a new Performer. I'll be up in Hugo tomorrow around noon looking at a SJG from CL, you around at all?
I'll be working, then a wake and then up north for a little deer hunting and R&R. Will be doing some 12oz curls too. :D
Wear mittens :DThink I won't!
I traded a red electric kettle for a never used, new in box, Vikings SJS. I wish I hadn't but I was worried I wouldn't be able to refurbish it well. Then I found this site a few months later...bummer! Anyway, I doubt I could match the cost of a new Performer, but I'd gladly discuss trades if it were to come up.
I know I will probably kick myself in the ass. I just know I wouldn't use it. Not many are as interested in these Webers like us.
And don't pay $20 for the SJG, legs are bent...Trade? Do you have a Rancher?
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Quote from: Chad A on November 14, 2012, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: glrasmussen on November 14, 2012, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: Chad A on November 14, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
What? Oh, um, I don't know what you MEAN? :P
I don't know Greg, all though I haven't seen it in person, I'd be very reluctant to give it up, even for a new Performer. I'll be up in Hugo tomorrow around noon looking at a SJG from CL, you around at all?
I'll be working, then a wake and then up north for a little deer hunting and R&R. Will be doing some 12oz curls too. :D
Wear mittens :DThink I won't!
I traded a red electric kettle for a never used, new in box, Vikings SJS. I wish I hadn't but I was worried I wouldn't be able to refurbish it well. Then I found this site a few months later...bummer! Anyway, I doubt I could match the cost of a new Performer, but I'd gladly discuss trades if it were to come up.
I know I will probably kick myself in the ass. I just know I wouldn't use it. Not many are as interested in these Webers like us.
And don't pay $20 for the SJG, legs are bent...Trade? Do you have a Rancher?
A Rancher I have not. But if I did I would sooner trade a kidney... ;)
Thanks for the tip on the SJG, I picked up an older SJS with three vents on the bottom, plus I have another coming soon. So I may pass on this one anyway.
I don't want to bust up any deals you have already committed too, but if you are still taking offers...
I have a new 2012/13 performer in a box, plus some Weber accessories (SS 3 tool set) and some cash ($50).
I do not have a Rancher, is there anything else you might be interested in?
Quote from: reillyranch on November 14, 2012, 02:49:35 PM
I don't want to bust up any deals you have already committed too, but if you are still taking offers...
I have a new 2012/13 performer in a box, plus some Weber accessories (SS 3 tool set) and some cash ($50).
I do not have a Rancher, is there anything else you might be interested in?
Send me a PM. There is no deal at this time. Remember this would have to ship LTL truck and this can't afford to be damaged. Tell me it is not a black performer?
Okay, before it "may" disappear from our fare state, I have to see it at least once :'(
Quote from: Chad A on November 14, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
Okay, before it "may" disappear from our fare state, I have to see it at least once
The door is almost always open Chad. I will be available after Sunday. Give me a pm.
P.s. bring your curling glove... :)