The next question that comes to my mind now is the painted ash pans. The one Greg is pursuing has a dark ash pan. I know the old one Harris had also had a dark ash pan that we all questioned at the time. The old blue 18 on Ebay had a painted triangular pan to match the blue of the grill. The Wooddale I have had a white painted ash pan on the top as well as the bottom. I wonder if the pans were painted up to a certain year. There seems to be no consistency on paint colors though whether its blue, dark grey/black, or white.