I have a OTG (code DR) and a OTS (code DR).
The OTG is rough but has what looks like a stainless steel damper kit that is still in good shape.
It uses the "key" system to lock the petals as seen in this catalog cut...
http://www.ereplacementparts.com/onetouch-cleaning-kit-p-1477272.html
The OTS is aluminized steel and uses the thumb screw.
The OTS is pretty good shape and I've moved the OTG ash pan system to the OTS.
I would also like to have the stainless steel damper system in the OTS.
I have two questions...
1) Is there any reason that the damper systems can't be swapped ?
2) How does the "keyed" damper system as seen in my link above, come apart ?
I can feel the control rod hit a "stop" or "shoulder" when I pull on it.
It doesn't feel like it wants to twist if that's what is needed to disengage the shoulder.
I had hell tryn to get my keyed cleaner out. I had a stripped burned out screw on bottom i think.
Im not much help here, but hopefully someone can. I know from experience it was a PITA
Jam a screwdriver inbetween the h washer and the handle rod. Twist the screwdriver, then twist the handle away from the screwdriver. It'll come out super easy.
i just jame the screwdriver in the loop of the handle and use the screwdriver as a cheater bar to get more leverage.
hasn't failed me yet
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on March 20, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
Jam a screwdriver inbetween the h washer and the handle rod. Twist the screwdriver, then twist the handle away from the screwdriver. It'll come out super easy.
OK, thanks.
I'll give that a try tomorrow.
Quote from: Troy on March 20, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
i just jame the screwdriver in the loop of the handle and use the screwdriver as a cheater bar to get more leverage.
hasn't failed me yet
Thanks.
Are they a beeotch to put back together ?
Also any issues with making this thumbscrew system to H key system swap ?
sometimes, sometimes not.
Sometimes they slide back together and click in without much effort.
Other times the handle/rod won't even fit in the motherflipping holes.
on my J code converted to OTG converted to cajun bandit smoker I ended up skipping one of the extra washers AND filing the tip of the handle/rod a bit to make it easier to put into the holes.
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on March 20, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
Jam a screwdriver inbetween the h washer and the handle rod. Twist the screwdriver, then twist the handle away from the screwdriver. It'll come out super easy.
^^^^ that takes care of #2, but what about this:
I would also like to have the stainless steel damper system in the OTS.
1) Is there any reason that the damper systems can't be swapped ?
Lawerence....come back......
isn't this the same issue that comes up from time to time?
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on May 25, 2013, 09:49:23 AM
You can't just cut an H into the ashbar. Long story short, the ashbar doesnt rotate with the sweeper handle but the H washer does. I have a part drawn up that will secure the H handle to the sweep but allows the bar to rotate. Im waiting for the parts to come in from Mikeinctown to finalize tolerances. See my DIY thread for more info.
I believe that dampers can be swapped between kettles of the same size. It's when you start mixing and matching bowls, dampers, and ash catchers where you start runnin into compatibility issues. OP, you just want to have ss dampers yes but not add an ash catcher to kettle #2? Either way, we can help.
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on March 20, 2014, 05:50:15 PM
I believe that dampers can be swapped between kettles of the same size. It's when you start mixing and matching bowls, dampers, and ash catchers where you start runnin into compatibility issues. OP, you just want to have ss dampers yes but not add an ash catcher to kettle #2? Either way, we can help.
Quote from: DirectDrive on March 20, 2014, 04:34:58 PM
The OTS is pretty good shape and I've moved the OTG ash pan system to the OTS.
I would also like to have the stainless steel damper system in the OTS.
Yep, already done ^^^
Those stainless blades and control arm look nice too and should move over as well.
Ah, re-read it & if the whole deal's moving, it's good....... ;D
Quote from: 1buckie on March 20, 2014, 06:27:00 PM
Ah, re-read it & if the whole deal's moving, it's good....... ;D
Gotta go slow and easy with that thumbscrew....looks like trouble.
I'll hit it with penetrating oil and maybe some heat.
Yeah, I first thought it was a trying to fit an H style clip into a hex bolt ashpan....apples & oranges, unless Gummi's reinvented the wheel.....which I know he can do!!!!!
there's some good info on de-rusting also, but if it just don't work the new SS ones seem to clean & resist crud better.....
I'm still not totally sold on the new ones, the metal bends easier & can be a problem w/ lump charcoal
DD, don't fret. make the swop. You may have to purchase an new H style sweep in the end, NBD. Guaranteed, if that 7409 sweep has seen action and elements, it may not come out. That thumb screw is soft metal. I have twisted off a few with channel locks, with little effort.
If they are gunked up, a bit of WD-40 or simiilar helps a lot.
Also, the new OT parts are pretty cheap. Not even sure they are making them out of SS anymore.. It appears that all of them are aluminum or cheap galvanized parts.
Save your SS ones for the nicer grills! 8)
Quote from: Heyjude on March 20, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
If they are gunked up, a bit of WD-40 or simiilar helps a lot.
Also, the new OT parts are pretty cheap. Not even sure they are making them out of SS anymore.. It appears that all of them are aluminum or cheap galvanized parts.
Save your SS ones for the nicer grills! 8)
that's heartbreaking :(
which grills had SS before? just the performers?
Just the Performers and the OTG's Not sure what year they started, but it appears that 2013 is the end of them. I have PN for the SS, may have to call Weber and see if they still have some.
Weber 90720
8)
Hers a link for the newer one they are pushing. http://www.amazon.com/Weber-90993-Touch-Cleaning-System/dp/B00IO62RSA (http://www.amazon.com/Weber-90993-Touch-Cleaning-System/dp/B00IO62RSA)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81c-mY4%2BqjL._SL1500_.jpg)
Just like gummi said ...
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n615/MacEggs/weber_H_removal.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/MacEggs/media/weber_H_removal.jpg.html)
Excellent info in this thread !
Thanks to all who posted.
The new replacement H clip sweep kit looks like aluminized steel petals and clip.
The control arm looks to be SS.
I agree, but Stainless is forever! 8)
Curious about aluminized steel.. Here's a read explaining it.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminized_Steel&usg=AFQjCNG0qcHd7UHqyEjRJubIiKdF98_Kzg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminized_Steel&usg=AFQjCNG0qcHd7UHqyEjRJubIiKdF98_Kzg)
Quote from: Heyjude on March 21, 2014, 06:03:26 AM
I agree, but Stainless is forever!
Well, stainless provides a much longer service than plated carbon steel, that's for sure.
But....(all) stainless steel can and will rust if neglected.
QuoteCurious about aluminized steel.. Here's a read explaining it.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminized_Steel&usg=AFQjCNG0qcHd7UHqyEjRJubIiKdF98_Kzg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminized_Steel&usg=AFQjCNG0qcHd7UHqyEjRJubIiKdF98_Kzg)
I think of aluminized steel as a sort of galvanizing, only finer where small parts can be plated without changing their dimensions drastically like conventional galvanizing can.
Thanks again, Heyjude for your contributions to this thread.
:)
Quote from: MacEggs on March 21, 2014, 01:24:04 AM
Just like gummi said ...
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n615/MacEggs/weber_H_removal.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/MacEggs/media/weber_H_removal.jpg.html)
I've never seen this before, Mac! Is this in the manual?
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on March 21, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
Quote from: MacEggs on March 21, 2014, 01:24:04 AM
Just like gummi said ...
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n615/MacEggs/weber_H_removal.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/MacEggs/media/weber_H_removal.jpg.html)
I've never seen this before, Mac! Is this in the manual?
When I did the 2 redhead restores, I ordered sweepers from ereplace.
It came with instructions ... I decided to scan them for future reference and to help along the way. :D :D
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on March 21, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
Quote from: MacEggs on March 21, 2014, 01:24:04 AM
Just like gummi said ...
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n615/MacEggs/weber_H_removal.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/MacEggs/media/weber_H_removal.jpg.html)
I've never seen this before, Mac! Is this in the manual?
Thanks for posting this !
As it turned out, the thumb screw backed out very well.
I hit it with some heat (propane torch) and then drizzled on some Liquid Wrench which sweated in nicely.
The stainless "H Drive" set up from the OTG was a little persnickety due to built up crud I think.
I monkeyed with it, massaged it, held my mouth in various positions and then suddenly it made a "pop" as the control rod twisted out.
The H Dirive is the superior system IMHO.
Everything has been moved over to the Silver and the Silver is almost a Gold.
I'll need to fab a third handle and then it will be a Gold (wannabe).
Wannabe because it has the 3 wire triangle....the Gold triangle was kinda rusted.