We made this at work. This will replace the old style ash catcher bar. This is strictly a replacement, for the old one. So before we start making these who is really interested in one of these?
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That is sweet, nice job.......!!!!!!!
That will only fit the old thumb screw style clean out....right?, not the h clip style?
Brent
Fantastic work Brian!
Interested.. What's your pricing on these?
Yes this just replaces the original part that would have come on the grill. The H style is from the newer style Performers and whatever else they are now put on.....If you have the older grill with the older ash catcher you will need this part....
We are gonna bolt one of these on an old SS performer this weekend as an experiment to see if it is gonna work. I'm thinking $25 total shipped. That depends how many people want them, I might be able to shave a few bucks....
You have to have a good old style one touch or grab a few at some hardware sotres before they are gone.
Weber Discontinued the 7409 one touch. All they are going to sell is the H clip style.
I might need a couple.. 8)
That looks fantastic! These will be in high demand.
did you use aluminium?
Just wondering, cause the non-rust factor was disscussed.....
Could probably use two, inany case.....
Yea this is aluminum....
Quote from: Heyjude on May 24, 2013, 07:53:56 PM
You have to have a good old style one touch or grab a few at some hardware sotres before they are gone.
Weber Discontinued the 7409 one touch. All they are going to sell is the H clip style.
I might need a couple.. 8)
ebay had some
I found some online as well.. 8)
I would be in for two.
OSH near my house has a few of the old style ash sweeps. I'm interested to see how the part fits. The central hole was the nomial dimension from mine so the decreased tolerance should make it fit better. I'll want one for my ss project! Thanks for bringing this to life, Brian!
As far as ash sweeper #7409 running out, I'm working on a part that will allow #7444 to work with the old style ash catcher setup so don't worry. You will still need this ashbar though.
I should get one now...I may be needing it down the road sometime. Looks nice Brian
Me too. I could use a backup.
If were gonna one off something, I'd rather have the best. I'd like a SS one that worked with the stainless H sweepers that are the future and built to last.
Troy or Brian could do a crowdtilt funding project to get this thing going also. For this I'd like to see it around $30-50 range
I'm interested as well .
Ok, so here's my take on this. Are we wanting restoration parts or mod parts?
If it could be the best of both worlds, that would be cool. Oh yeah, it needs to be affordable.
At $50, its not. At $20, I think it is. I'm not counting shipping costs, just the part itself.
Facts:
The old sweepers will be gone and only old stockpiles will be available.
Old MT's and any old Performer grills could benefit from this part.
Retrofitting to the newer style ash bucket is always an option.
Installing the newer ash bucket on and old bowl requires a mod of some sort.
Hose clamps is one. Thats the easy method, but I for one don't care for the look.
There are other options, cut a groove in the leg socket or use self tapping screws to hold the ring to the socket.
Both of those options permanently damage the bowl and therefore can possibly reduce the collectible value. Are we wanting function over originality?
So, what is the best option? A consensus would help the guy who is willing to take the time to build them, he is the one risking his time and energy and most of all money.
I like the origianl part. I also like the idea of having it work with the newer H style OT.
It doesn't need to be SS. Aluminum should work as long is it can support the weight.
Steel is still an option. Users would just need to do maintenance on that part. Clean, protect with high heat bbq paint. It will last a long time.
The trick to the H drive is the thickness of the material that they use for the washer. Its thinner than the old style washer.
Conclusion:
Can this cross bar be reproduced that would work with the H drive?
My opinion is that its probably not worth it. At least not for most people who do restorations.
I would just stock up on the older OT assemblies or look to convert to the newer ash buckets.
So is there enough interest in this part being reproduced? I would say its a limited market.
So Brain, you got your work cut out for you.
Without your efforts, we wouldn't have the most amazing wood handles for our grills.
I think that without them, the hobby would not be what it is today.
How easily can you take an old beat up grill and make it pop back to life?
Now if we can get someone to make old style wheels and ash pans for 3 wheelers? Anyone?
Thanks again Brian! And Gummi too for all the effort he put into this as well. 8)
You can't just cut an H into the ashbar. Long story short, the ashbar doesnt rotate with the sweeper handle but the H washer does. I have a part drawn up that will secure the H handle to the sweep but allows the bar to rotate. Im waiting for the parts to come in from Mikeinctown to finalize tolerances. See my DIY thread for more info.
I'm just trying to provide a part to those who need it. If someone gets the older style ash sweepers they can put this part right on. It's just as easy as that.... If someone wants to make some mods we can discuss that at some point. Right now if your bucket is hanging off, you can put it back. If you replace everything now with new parts it will take ten years to go bad anyhow......I'm just trying to gauge if this is worth it for us to even fool with these....We can make 10 if people are interested and go from there....
Nevermind. 8)
Brian, I would be in for one at the price you quoted. Since I can't seem to find an original ash pan for my old 26er, thiis would be the best solution.
Let's see that SS Performer test.. 8)
Quote from: Heyjude on May 25, 2013, 10:10:43 AM
Let's see that SS Performer test.. 8)
Yes, please! I really hope it fits
Will aluminum hold the weight of the ring, bucket, and a bucket full of ash?
How about a bucket of ash + water? (i know it's bad, but mistakes happen :))
Were still waiting on Brian.. 8)
What are you waiting on me? Go back to the fucking hammock.....Who woke up this guy? I'm working on it, which is much more that your doing, I might add...Go get your prescription. We will see we made one, and the guy at work was gonna put it on this weekend, I should have some answers this week....So for now AJ go back to sleep, oh and while your doing all this waiting go put some handles on your SS performer.....
I for one am excited about this. People here are willing to take the time to research, design and fabricate replacement parts that are no longer available to maintain vintage kettles in their original configuration, from handles to ash pans and other components....I'd love to learn to make vintage ash catchers and ash triangles, with the right tools and determination, it can be done. I just need to practice. This is what makes this hobby even more exciting. We can restore kettles to original configuration or make a nice custom cooker.
Quote from: Craig on May 25, 2013, 09:24:41 PM
I for one am excited about this. People here are willing to take the time to research, design and fabricate replacement parts that are no longer available to maintain vintage kettles in their original configuration, from handles to ash pans and other components....I'd love to learn to make vintage ash catchers and ash triangles, with the right tools and determination, it can be done. I just need to practice. This is what makes this hobby even more exciting. We can restore kettles to original configuration or make a nice custom cooker.
If there is demand I can make the sheet metal pattern for the old style ashcatcher collar. It wouldn't be too much work to draw it out but actually making them them may be. :)
Count me in for one! My ash can is hanging off!
I'll call the guy from work who is mounting it on his grill, I'll make sure he is putting it on, not sleeping like AJ....
Any word, Brian?
Success! Works perfectly, feels strong, the bends must also add strength hence the weird shape. The guy at work mounted it and his SS performer is back in action, Gummi your drawings are dead on.....I'll try to do a test on a grill I have at the house, but for now it is a perfect replacement part. It may or not be tonight, the Hawks are in Game & so I will not be thinking grills that's for sure. The Hawks just need to trounce the Dead Wings....I'm calling 5-0 Hawks in a rout, sending the Wings off to the eastern conference once and for all......
I have interest as well.
Depending on the final price, Id be interested in two....maybe more.
Put me down for one, possibly two.
I will take two.
Mike
Quote from: zavod44 on May 29, 2013, 06:55:56 AM
Success! Works perfectly, feels strong, the bends must also add strength hence the weird shape. The guy at work mounted it and his SS performer is back in action, Gummi your drawings are dead on.....I'll try to do a test on a grill I have at the house, but for now it is a perfect replacement part. It may or not be tonight, the Hawks are in Game & so I will not be thinking grills that's for sure. The Hawks just need to trounce the Dead Wings....I'm calling 5-0 Hawks in a rout, sending the Wings off to the eastern conference once and for all......
Awesome. Looks like my engineering degree wasn't a waste after all.
I'd be in for one June 15. Kinda dependent on price. But it's just one...so I'm in.
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Here are a few pics to tide everyone over....
I will have the final price tomorrow, I just need to run some numbers....
Thanks, Brian. I am surprised the tab on your friends' bar rusted off. That bar sure does look nice!
The very outside tab rusted due to the differences int he metals. Where the aluminum met the steel, it corroded, and rotted away. At least aluminum on aluminum won't have that effect....
Brian, those are beautiful.
And damn my timing, because I just a couple of days ago got my package from Weber to update my latest project to the modern ash can ring and H-style OT sweep. Now I've gotta decide which way to go.
Really nice to have a choice, though. Thanks for all of your hard work.
Quote from: zavod44 on May 29, 2013, 05:51:30 PM
The very outside tab rusted due to the differences int he metals. Where the aluminum met the steel, it corroded, and rotted away. At least aluminum on aluminum won't have that effect....
Same story with mine but it didn't snap off. The annoying part is that it corroded the One touch collar and makes it look ugly.
Brian looks great! How we can we adapt or make a new male "H" clip? If the legs on the male end were just a tad longer, we could all convert. I am now watching Amazon for the old sweep, they are getting fewer and far between... :( They are priced like gold and fewer are showing up. My SS just took the dumps on the sweep.
I picked up four at ACE today, they are on sale for $9.99
Here Greg, they have 5 available. I bet they'll cut you a deal if you take all 5... lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Weber-7409-One-Touch-Cleaning-System-/310667318933?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4855371695
Quote from: Bman on May 30, 2013, 03:38:54 AM
Here Greg, they have 5 available. I bet they'll cut you a deal if you take all 5... lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Weber-7409-One-Touch-Cleaning-System-/310667318933?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4855371695
Thanks Chad! Little over budget for me at $199.99...
Quote from: zavod44 on May 29, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
I picked up four at ACE today, they are on sale for $9.99
Pick up some extra's I send some more funds to have them shipped with my handles...
What, a thousand bucks for 5 replacement parts valued at 50 bucks isn't in line?
:D
Quote from: Bman on May 30, 2013, 06:28:14 AM
What, a thousand bucks for 5 replacement parts valued at 50 bucks isn't in line?
:D
Found some, not for $199.99 either, "Weber 3617 One-Touch Cleaning System" from Amazon, it's the freight that is a bummer...
Comes with some other spare parts too.
Theres 5 or 6 (#7409) at a local Ace but they are $15 a piece plus tax.....If someone really wants them, I can pick them up.
WTF, I called my local ACE and was told they don't carry them in store.
<edit> I actually called 6 of my local ACE stores plus two other Wber dealers and no luck
Lol, my local hardware store still has a case of 7409.
Okay after a lot of deliberation, we can go $19 on the bracket, and that includes shipping. So really the part will be like $16 bucks. If you order multiples I could give a volume discount. So let me know who is still interested.... Send me a PM or email me direct at
executor70@aol.com
Brian
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Quote from: pbe gummi bear on May 31, 2013, 10:07:18 AM
Lol, my local hardware store still has a case of 7409.
Better buy them all! They are getting sparse!
Just joined, to let you know you can get the old style one touch cleaning system here, link below, $16.99 plus shipping. I ordered covers for my SS Performers here also, good quality and shipped fast.
The new style ash ring will fit just on top of the leg holders, there is enough of a gap for the tabs to fit in, no need to cut a slit in the leg holders. I did this on my 1993 red head SS Performer.
Bill
http://www.grillstuff.com/weber-one-touch-cleaning-system.html?productid=313
Hey guys, what (if any) is the difference between One-Touch Cleaning System #7409 and One-Touch Cleaning System #3617? I've seen them both for sale, and to my untrained eye, they appear to be the same thing...
I posted info on your other post. They are basically the same. One just has the OT only, the other is a full kit. Both are discontinued by Weber. 8)
My #3617 just arrived.
If anyone buys a #3617 from Ed Young True Value in NY (via Amazon) what you get sent is a #7409 with a comment added that it's a replacement. Well, OK, sorta ...
That is where mine came from, same thing...
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on June 09, 2013, 05:16:38 PM
My #3617 just arrived.
If anyone buys a #3617 from Ed Young True Value in NY (via Amazon) what you get sent is a #7409 with a comment added that it's a replacement. Well, OK, sorta ...
Quote from: glrasmussen on June 09, 2013, 05:57:30 PM
That is where mine came from, same thing...
Ouch. The 3617 was a little bit more expensive. Glad I didn't order it yet... thanks for the heads up...
I just bought an extra #7409 from the local Ace Hardware and it was in a new style box and they didn't have any of the H style setups.
Wayne
I would be interested in 2 ash catcher bars...
Is it viable to have them shipped to Sydney Australia? My postal code is 2145. If I could get a price for two pieces shipped, I may be interested.
Cheers.
hey jocool
we will get them shipped together
id be keen on a few
Quote from: Golly on June 12, 2013, 11:05:15 PM
hey jocool
we will get them shipped together
id be keen on a few
Suits me...as soon as we find out.
Of course I will ship to Oz....Golly knows I do.....you guys figure out what you need....and then I can get a shipping price...If you need any handles let me know and I can ship everything at once...
Golly did you get my Weber T-shirt?
Got a chance to Meet Cesar... great guy....glad you found us here. He seems to be bitten real bad, he has acquired a bad case of Weberitis...
I'm down for 2. Once you get a price Golly, let me know.
Quote from: zavod44 on June 13, 2013, 05:42:16 PM
Of course I will ship to Oz....Golly knows I do.....you guys figure out what you need....and then I can get a shipping price...If you need any handles let me know and I can ship everything at once...
Golly did you get my Weber T-shirt?
the vent one on the white t-shirt? yes
Golly you need anything?
I need a SJG handle
i will have to do a stocktake on my handle sitch
IGBTYS
Quote from: Golly on June 14, 2013, 10:27:12 PM
i will have to do a stocktake on my handle sitch
IGBTYS
Lolwut? Have u been drinking too?
I'll Get Back To You Shortly
Quote from: Bman on June 15, 2013, 05:44:47 AM
I'll Get Back To You Shortly
That makes a lot of sense now! Thanks!
You still pissed gummi?
Didn't think the cops let you keep your phone in the cells !
Who bailed you out? :P
Quote from: Golly on June 15, 2013, 03:33:53 PM
You still pissed gummi?
Didn't think the cops let you keep your phone in the cells !
Who bailed you out? :P
No I'm good now but on a WKC meet high!
I would really be happy to buy one of these ash catcher support bars. I broke mine on my 1996 performer when trying to remove the cleaning blades. Weber wants me to replace my kettle.....what?!?! $25 sounds great.
I am late again....But I sent you an e-mail Brian.....Like I said in e-mail...I possibly would be able to anodize some......
Ken
Did any of these go to Oz?
Sent from another planet using Mental Telepathy.
Quote from: Jocool on September 27, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
Did any of these go to Oz?
Sent from another planet using Mental Telepathy.
not sure, maybe you can be the first.....
Quote from: zavod44 on September 27, 2013, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: Jocool on September 27, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
Did any of these go to Oz?
Sent from another planet using Mental Telepathy.
not sure, maybe you can be the first.....
I asked about price of shipping previously and noone got back to me I think.
Sent from another planet using Mental Telepathy.
I don't need, but I am glad that someone is making them - seems like an easy fab and so vital to some folks. Good on you Z 8)
Hello, I just found the ss weber performer abandon in friends back yard and the ash sweeper and support bracket are shot. I wondering if you help with these parts.
Send me a pm and I can help you out
If I recall this is what hold the ring that supports the ash pot/bucket's handle, correct?
For me it was the ring that went bad so I replaced it with one of the newer rings and except for finagling to get to all three mounting points I prefer the newer ones of the original which just wobbled around too much.
The newer ones have three tabs that mount to slots where the leg protrusions are. The problem is the older performers (SS tables) don't have the slots!
Fortunately all you have to do is bend the 3 tabs so they align with the leg protrusions and use a stainless steel hose clamp/band clamp around each tab and leg.
I considered cutting slits in the newer ring to match the bar (like the ones you're making) but the three point mounting makes a much more stable ring.
I am looking for one of these brackets. Do you make/sell them?