Does anyone know why Weber introduces the Limited Edition Red as a Master Touch version overseas and only the "Original" kettle in the U.S?
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I'm surprised at how much better the int'l stuff is. Why are we suffering with nickel plated when the rest of the world gets stainless steel? Why do the Brits get better colors?
Quote from: ZebraZoo on April 22, 2018, 08:10:10 PM
I'm surprised at how much better the int'l stuff is. Why are we suffering with nickel plated when the rest of the world gets stainless steel? Why do the Brits get better colors?
I have been asking this same question for years. This is how it was explained to me...
BBq'ing is much more popular here in the US than in Europe. Weber doesn't have to work very hard to promote their products or the pastime of bbqing here. Americans are an easy sell for Weber. Europe is a different story. BBq'ing and outdoor grilling isn't that popular or well known over there. It's not part of the culture like it is here. Therefore; Weber needs to offer the European market much more bells and whistles to entice them, to get them interested in BBq'ing first, and then Weber products second.
Yeah, the whole grilling culture there is more of a luxury endeavor if it's anything beyond disposable foil cookers.
Whereas here, CHEAP rules the day, yet we "expect" to still be offered big grills. The luxury of fancy grates and colors isn't appreciated because the public
is
not
educated
by manufacturers about nicer circumstances.
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 23, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
Yeah, the whole grilling culture there is more of a luxury endeavor if it's anything beyond disposable foil cookers.
Whereas here, CHEAP rules the day, yet we "expect" to still be offered big grills. The luxury of fancy grates and colors isn't appreciated because the public
is
not
educated
by manufacturers about nicer circumstances.
Look at the bright side... we have businesses that build the grates we want, supplying grate products, and creating jobs . Yeah, we don't get all the cool colors, butt that's okay with me. I don't have room for all of them... 8)
Wow - some interesting Changes in Overseas version (which would have been welcomed very much in US)
- Stainless steel One-Touch cleaning system
- Gourmet BBQ System stainless steel hinged cooking grate
- Briquette measuring cup
Weber U.S.A. simply does not believe in "America First!"
Quote from: RRRanger99 on April 23, 2018, 06:43:18 AM
Weber U.S.A. simply does not believe in "America First!"
+1
Quote from: hawgheaven on April 23, 2018, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 23, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
Yeah, the whole grilling culture there is more of a luxury endeavor if it's anything beyond disposable foil cookers.
Whereas here, CHEAP rules the day, yet we "expect" to still be offered big grills. The luxury of fancy grates and colors isn't appreciated because the public
is
not
educated
by manufacturers about nicer circumstances.
Look at the bright side... we have businesses that build the grates we want, supplying grate products, and creating jobs . Yeah, we don't get all the cool colors, butt that's okay with me. I don't have room for all of them... 8)
That's a healthy (and smart) attitude about it. The other day I scanned the UK and German sites and could no longer find the colored SJs, colored 18s nor most colored 22s. That entire thing might be coming to an end Over There, as well.
Or I could be blind and they're all still available.
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 23, 2018, 09:54:39 AM
Quote from: hawgheaven on April 23, 2018, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 23, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
Yeah, the whole grilling culture there is more of a luxury endeavor if it's anything beyond disposable foil cookers.
Whereas here, CHEAP rules the day, yet we "expect" to still be offered big grills. The luxury of fancy grates and colors isn't appreciated because the public
is
not
educated
by manufacturers about nicer circumstances.
Look at the bright side... we have businesses that build the grates we want, supplying grate products, and creating jobs . Yeah, we don't get all the cool colors, butt that's okay with me. I don't have room for all of them... 8)
That's a healthy (and smart) attitude about it. The other day I scanned the UK and German sites and could no longer find the colored SJs, colored 18s nor most colored 22s. That entire thing might be coming to an end Over There, as well.
Or I could be blind and they're all still available.
I don't think you are blind at all. I looked about 6 months ago and it seemed to me that Weber was not putting out new 18s in colors and that maybe they would be following the U.S. in that everything will eventually be black. I noticed a lot of European vendors show out of stock on particular colors. I used to think it was because of the season but I don't think that is the case.
Here is where I have an issue...
So, Weber makes all the product in Chicago, and ships it all over the world. Dammit Weber, if you are making it here, let me buy it. Fine, not at Home Depot, Lowes or Walmart, but let the indie dealers order and sell the goodies.
Quote from: Darko on April 23, 2018, 05:31:00 PM
Here is where I have an issue...
So, Weber makes all the product in Chicago, and ships it all over the world. Dammit Weber, if you are making it here, let me buy it. Fine, not at Home Depot, Lowes or Walmart, but let the indie dealers order and sell the goodies.
I feel like that'd be an easy upgrade path to give the indie dealers a niche to sell. A premium model that had the stainless steel grates and one touch system. As it is, my local small hardware store had Weber grills on "sale"... Sale price was the same price as Home Depot and Amazon.
What they did last year (or year before) was supply H-D (maybe Lowe's) with a lid display. I'm sure you guys saw that. The display had actual kettle lids in the copper, green, crimson etc AND the new Q1200 colored lids also had a display. Only stocked black, but it was an efficient way of letting people know they could order a grill in some other colors.
It's late April and I'm not seeing such a display this year, but by May we should know for sure if they care. That marketing effort, and the Euro colors were likely an experiment that Byron David Trott (BDT Partners owns the grill company) wasn't financially impressed with.
In other words, a half-hearted attempt.
I've seen the lid displays at Ace Hardware, but don't recall seeing them at the big box stores.
I agree it's something that SHOULD be there.
You have to wonder how many people buy a different brand, just because they have it in a color other than black.
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 24, 2018, 05:46:20 AM
What they did last year (or year before) was supply H-D (maybe Lowe's) with a lid display. I'm sure you guys saw that. The display had actual kettle lids in the copper, green, crimson etc AND the new Q1200 colored lids also had a display. Only stocked black, but it was an efficient way of letting people know they could order a grill in some other colors.
It's late April and I'm not seeing such a display this year, but by May we should know for sure if they care. That marketing effort, and the Euro colors were likely an experiment that Byron David Trott (BDT Partners owns the grill company) wasn't financially impressed with.
In other words, a half-hearted attempt.
Since we are discussing the Red Limited, would anyone happen to have a part number for the 5 spoke all black wheels that come with the Red Limited? I looked all over the place and can't find any info. I'm hoping they can be purchased separately.
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 24, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Since we are discussing the Red Limited, would anyone happen to have a part number for the 5 spoke all black wheels that come with the Red Limited? I looked all over the place and can't find any info. I'm hoping they can be purchased separately.
@SixZeroFour - do you have this part number available to you?
Quote from: RRRanger99 on April 23, 2018, 06:43:18 AMWeber U.S.A. simply does not believe in "America First!"
Any companies that truly do believe in "America First!" are very few and far between. And probably much smaller than Weber USA. Frankly, IMO, Weber does a much better job of "America First!" than a lot of big companies.
YES!! America first. Grate old concept, butt seems to have gone by the wayside. I'm in the electronics industry, designing printed circuit boards. The company I work for decided to go to China to get the boards manufactured. They cannot deal with our specs, and constantly are sending us requests to change this or change that, because they can't produce it. Quality went to shit. When we had them made here in the good ol' USA, stuff worked when it came in the door, and you just plugged it in. Just. Fucking. GRRR. Oh well. I'll shut up now... I have no control...
Apparently , it's up for $169CDN at Lowe's Canada until tomorrow.
@Bob BQ @Mr.SmokeLE Black wheel with insert is part #66997
Quote from: Bob BQ on April 24, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 24, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Since we are discussing the Red Limited, would anyone happen to have a part number for the 5 spoke all black wheels that come with the Red Limited? I looked all over the place and can't find any info. I'm hoping they can be purchased separately.
@SixZeroFour - do you have this part number available to you?
Quote from: SixZeroFour on April 24, 2018, 02:33:21 PM
@Bob BQ
@Mr.Smoke
LE Black wheel with insert is part #66997
Quote from: Bob BQ on April 24, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 24, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Since we are discussing the Red Limited, would anyone happen to have a part number for the 5 spoke all black wheels that come with the Red Limited? I looked all over the place and can't find any info. I'm hoping they can be purchased separately.
@SixZeroFour - do you have this part number available to you?
Thanks so much
@Bob BQ and
@SixZeroFour
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 24, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: SixZeroFour on April 24, 2018, 02:33:21 PM
@Bob BQ
@Mr.Smoke
LE Black wheel with insert is part #66997
Quote from: Bob BQ on April 24, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 24, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Since we are discussing the Red Limited, would anyone happen to have a part number for the 5 spoke all black wheels that come with the Red Limited? I looked all over the place and can't find any info. I'm hoping they can be purchased separately.
@SixZeroFour - do you have this part number available to you?
Thanks so much @Bob BQ and @SixZeroFour
Keep us posted as to whether or not they sell separately to you....
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Aren't they the same as what's on the new gassers? Should be seeing those wheels soon on ereplacements and such, no?
@Bob BQ no go from Weber customer service. This may prove more challenging than I thought.
@addicted-to-smoke you are correct these are also found on some of the newer gassers
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 25, 2018, 08:12:06 AM
@Bob BQ no go from Weber customer service. This may prove more challenging than I thought.
@addicted-to-smoke you are correct these are also found on some of the newer gassers
Reach out to someone who owns and has registered their LE red. See if they would be kind enough to order the wheels for you. It's like parts for the new MT. Weber will only sell parts to owners with those registered grills.
Quote from: Cellar2ful on April 25, 2018, 08:41:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Smoke on April 25, 2018, 08:12:06 AM
@Bob BQ no go from Weber customer service. This may prove more challenging than I thought.
@addicted-to-smoke you are correct these are also found on some of the newer gassers
Reach out to someone who owns and has registered their LE red. See if they would be kind enough to order the wheels for you. It's like parts for the new MT. Weber will only sell parts to owners with those registered grills.
Excellent idea. I created a WTB thread in the appropriate section.
Just a heads up, the Genesis II wheels are the same design but are gray rather than black
Quote from: SixZeroFour on April 25, 2018, 09:38:53 AM
Just a heads up, the Genesis II wheels are the same design but are gray rather than black
For sure! Thanks for correcting my error.
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 25, 2018, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: SixZeroFour on April 25, 2018, 09:38:53 AM
Just a heads up, the Genesis II wheels are the same design but are gray rather than black
For sure! Thanks for correcting my error.
Gray matter mistake? happens to me all the time, thinking when I am not equipped !
;D ;D
Quote from: JEBIV on April 25, 2018, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: addicted-to-smoke on April 25, 2018, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: SixZeroFour on April 25, 2018, 09:38:53 AM
Just a heads up, the Genesis II wheels are the same design but are gray rather than black
For sure! Thanks for correcting my error.
Gray matter mistake? happens to me all the time, thinking when I am not equipped !
So you're saying it's a black and white gray issue?
exactly