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Title: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: mike.stavlund on February 04, 2013, 04:03:40 PM
A friend of mine who lives outside London is shopping for a smoker as a gift for her husband.  She's been keen on a WSM, but she's tempted by this copy, since it gets good reviews and is 100 pounds cheaper than a true Weber. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004CS2BQC/ref=mw_dp_img_2?in=2&qid=1360012887&sr=8-3

What is impressive to me is the obvious way in which copies the Weber design in many substantial and aesthetic ways.  My first thought was, "Wow, the UK must have relatively weak patent/trademark laws."  I know we have a few European Weber fans on this site, so I thought I'd send this up for conversation. 
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: Duke on February 04, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
I think they call those Napoleon's here.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGkkJFXRBRa3IAq_RXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1dXZpc3BkBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA1NNRTExOF8yMTk-/SIG=11ilvh845/EXP=1360055749/**http%3a//www.napoleongrills.com/
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: Golly on February 04, 2013, 04:24:39 PM
Called a pro q frontier here
$399 + freight here in oz
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: Hogsy on February 04, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
Pro Q Frontier
It's a great unit from all reports
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: mike.stavlund on February 04, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Hey, thanks for the quick responses.  This is really helpful. 

As a hopeless Weber fanboy, I have to admit that I was immediately dismissive.  But now that I look a bit longer at Duke's link, I'm realizing that this design incorporates most of the mods I've made to my own WSM (eyelets for thermo probes, charcoal basket, handles, upsized water pan, lid thermo, etc.).  And if Hogsy gives it a good report, you know I take that pretty seriously.  Must be a good unit.

So this might be just the ticket for my thrifty friend.  Thanks again for the wisdom.
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: reillyranch on February 04, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Is that 3 n 1 porcelainized?  The way the metal is finished makes a big difference in regards to heat retention and temp control.  It is why the Webers cook so well and last so long.  There is more to the Weber than just the way to looks. 

I need to proof read better.  It should say: There is more to a Weber than just it's good looks!
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: 1buckie on February 04, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: reillyranch on February 04, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Is that 3 n 1 porcelainized?  The way the metal is finished makes a big difference in regards to heat retention and temp control.  It is why the Webers cook so well and last so long.  There is more to the Weber than just the way to looks.   


       Famous Quote # 517 from the WKC group......   
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: mike.stavlund on February 04, 2013, 06:56:19 PM
I hear ya, Reilly, and I would only have a Weber smoker.  But then again, I live in a place where I can -- with some patient waiting-- buy a nice used one for 80 bucks.  Finding a used one in the UK is almost impossible, and the new ones are ~$450 US.  If I were in that place, I would be mighty tempted to take a chance on the FakenWeber. 
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: glrasmussen on February 04, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
Correct me if I am wrong,  but is it only 16-1/2?

Could you find a way to ship this one?
http://slo.craigslist.org/hsh/3578918468.html
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: G$ on February 05, 2013, 05:55:54 AM
I have done EXTENSIVE cooking on both WSMs and Napolean/ProQs.

The WSM is by far the better product. 

That being said, if budget is a major concern, I would have no problems supporting a ProQ purchase.  On the other hand, if this is a thing that is going to last and BE USED for years, I would try to convince them to get a WSM.



Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: mike.stavlund on February 05, 2013, 12:34:17 PM
This is all very helpful!  Thanks everyone, and especially G for the expert advice.
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: Hogsy on February 05, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
Hey G , care to elaborate on the differences
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: mike.stavlund on February 06, 2013, 05:44:58 PM
The happy ending here is that my friend took a peek at this thread and decided to throw down for the full Weber.  Sounds like a bunch of friends contributed to the gift to make it possible.  So hopefully we'll have a smartassed Welshman on this forum sometime soon. 
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: G$ on February 07, 2013, 05:32:46 AM
Hogsy.

Let me see if my analogy traverses the pond succesfully.  The ProQ (I will refer to the Napoleon as a ProQ) is like a Suzuki Swift.  The WSM is like a Lexus ES350. 

The swift is affordable, and will certainly move you from point A to B.  Like most modern things, it is fairly reliable, and will last with proper use.  It is NOT anywhere near top quality, and will never find itself on a list of most reliable cars.  The Lexus is a premium car, with a much higher price. It will however last as long as you want it to, and perform very well it's whole life, unless you want to sell it, wherein it will retain a good bit of value.  It is always among the most reliable cars in the world, even though it touches the "luxury" category.  It performs very well.

Specifically: 

One interesting thing about the ProQ is that I do believe thought and effort goes in to it's design. Specifically, there are things that seem like a good idea, but don't work for me in practice:  For example, it has clips that hook the cooking sections together.  This sounds really neat, but in practice, if the pieces are well made, this should be unnecessary.  And taking two sections off at once (clipped together) is a little un wieldly anyway.  The built in therm is nice, except it's accuracy is dubious, especially when considering that variance of temps throughout the unit. And besides, the WSMs have them now as well.  The probe eyelets are nice.  Of course I added them to all my WSMs when acqired ....

If you have any other questions, I would be glad to answer, but truly the best explanation is "they aren't made as well".  There is no doubt, they will get you from A to B, but you will do it more comfortably in a WSM.
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: Hogsy on February 07, 2013, 09:20:50 AM
Thanks G for the write up, the ProQ arrived on our shores about 6mths ago and have been touted as being better than the WSM mainly because of the stacker units and probe eyelets. It is a lot cheaper than the WSM , so I wondered about the build quality
But I think you've cleared that up for me with this review
Cheers
Joel
P.S. I drive a WSM
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: mike.stavlund on February 07, 2013, 10:00:39 AM
Great info, G.  I will pass this along to my friend to solidify her decision.

A happy WSM driver,
Mike
Title: Re: incredible WSM knock-off in the UK
Post by: reillyranch on February 07, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Great points G. I am going to print that up and pass out to unbelievers.  Thanks