Thanks for digging up that thread Bman. I don't think we ever reached a consensus. In terms of "periods", the pre-plastic handle era seems to be a cut-off for many with respect to "old" vs. "new". You could argue the switch to wood top handles was a significant date in Weber history. Wood Dale vs. Palatine. Palatine vs. Arlington Heights. Made in USA vs. Designed in Palatine IL USA. There are too many debatable points. For me, "vintage" is anything up to plastic handles. Then again, an original SS Performer could be argued as "vintage". IMHO - adding a wood handle gives any of the plastic-handled grills a "vintage" look, and in my book that's as good a line in the ash as any. A nice wood-handled MT is as nice as it gets. Vintage or not.