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Author Topic: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)  (Read 1842 times)

Neil_VT00

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Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« on: October 19, 2016, 10:00:04 AM »
@Bob BQ and I got into a discussion about Black SJS model numbers and were trying to determine what those numbers are and when they changed.  If you have a NIB Black SJ please post (or send me) a picture of the box that has the model number as well as a picture of the vent with the date code.

My goal here is to find enough NIB SJ's to figure out the date changes and also to provide a reference to ID SJs in online listings with minimal pictures.

Here is what we have found regarding Smokey Joe Silvers:
Up to 1974 ------------- SJ-100 - Model number appears in '62, '64, '66, '68, '71, '72, '73, and '74 catalogs (offset handle models).
1975 to 1976 ---------- Unknown - Have seen a SJ-100 box that is not an offset handle and no date stamp meaning SJ-100 could run through 1976
1977 to 1983 ---------- 10001 - 1977 from Harris92 seen in post #2. 1979 Catalog shows the three wire leg setup with 10001 model number (as does 1981 catalog). 1983 (E-Code) box with 10001 (first year of loop legs).
?1984? ------------------ 10001 / 50012 - Box with 1982 Copyright and Palatine, ILL. location marking. In 1984 Weber moved to Palatine.
1985 - Unknown ------ 50012 - 1985 (G-Code) through sometime before M-Code (1990)
Unknown - 1999 - 10001 - Have Seen 1990 (M-Code) and 1997 (EI-Code) boxes with this model number.
2000 - Present --- 10020 - Changed when plastic handles were added in 2000.

Here is what we have found regarding Smokey Joe Golds:
1989-1999 --------------40001 - 1990 & 1998 confirmed.  No indication of other model numbers in existence.
2000-present -----------40020 - Potentially changed when plastic handles were added in 2000.
Much less information for SJG's except for a couple of miscellaneous boxes shown below.



The proof so far for SJS's
Weber catalogs: http://weberkettleclub.com/old-weber-catalogs/

1962 Catalog - SJ-100


1974 Catalog - SJ-100


1975-1976? - No date stamp wire leg SJ-100


1977-78?  No Code from @harris92 .
No letter code on the vents.  The paper work is dated 1977. :)


1977-78?  No Code from @Bbqmiller . Paperwork in the original thread show wheels from 1977 or later. 


1977-78?  No Code from @mike.stavlund . Original thread here.
Pre date-stamp, clearly, but post 1977 which the copyright on the instruction manual shows.


1979 Catalog - 10001


1980 B-Code Box


1981 Catalog - 10001


1981 C-Code Box (from @stellato1976)


1983 E-Code Box (1982 Copyright)


1984 or later Palatine, Ill Box (1982 Copyright)


1985 G-Code Box


1985 Copyright Box
Matches to 1988 J-Code box from an SJ owned by mcgolden


1990 M-Code Box (1989 Copyright)


1991 N-Code Box (no model number angle, but otherwise matches M-Code)


1997 EI-Code Box


2000+ Plastic Handle Box
-This box matches mcgolden's 2000 Sam Adams SJ:

-Other later year boxes:




The proof so far for SJG's

1990 M-Code Box (1988 Copyright)


1998 EZ-Code Box


1999 EE-Code Box (1996 Copyright)


2000+ Plastic Handle Box

« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 09:23:25 AM by Neil_VT00 »
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Neil_VT00

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJS Owners
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 11:45:57 AM »
Found an old post from @harris92. Looks like the model number 10001 was used in 1977 (original post updated).

http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/nib-vintage-smokey-joe/msg125126/#msg125126

No letter code on the vents.  The paper work is dated 1977. :)


Fixed picture:
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 07:02:00 AM by Neil_VT00 »
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Darko

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJS Owners
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 02:51:38 PM »
I don't have any boxes left.

stellato1976

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJS Owners
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2016, 06:00:57 PM »


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Neil_VT00

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJS Owners
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2016, 06:29:20 PM »
@Darko Thanks for the reply.

@stellato1976 Thanks.  That is a C on the lid right?
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stellato1976

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJS Owners
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 07:01:22 PM »
Yes that is a C code
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Neil_VT00

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2016, 06:33:54 AM »
Bumping this one back to the first page.  I've added more boxes and what little information I have about SJG model numbers. 

@Bob BQ do you have any better info on the SJG date change?
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Bertman

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 10:34:25 AM »
Thanks! Just got a SJ yesterday with a wood handle and legs that don't loop all the way so I'm guessing it's for the ash tray which it doesn't have. Also F stamped on top vent. 83-85? 


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Bertman

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 11:04:46 AM »
Further research.  Leg/loops seem unable to hold a ash pan.


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Darko

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 03:31:52 PM »
F stamp... I'm  guessing  1984  of the top of my head.

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Bertman

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 06:03:38 AM »
I was also leaning towards 83-85. Interesting little unit. Never used one before. Thanks Darko


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Bob BQ

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Re: Attn: NIB Black SJ Owners (SJ Model Number History)
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 06:17:45 AM »
F stamp... I'm  guessing  1984  of the top of my head.

I was also leaning towards 83-85. Interesting little unit. Never used one before. Thanks Darko

1984 is correct:  http://weberkettleclub.com/determine-age-of-old-grill/
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