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Title: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Winz on March 11, 2014, 05:54:26 PM
My copper SS performer project is very near completion.  The modifications to date are as follows:

1.   Disassembled a black SS perfomer
2.   Sandblasted and powder coated the frame in gloss black
3.   Installed a 2014 Weber Copper bowl and lid
4.   Mounted a 700 degree pizza kettle thermometer in the lid
5.   Changed out grey bale rollers for black
6.   Extended the SS surface and installed a wooden cutting board (see modification steps here: http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/applying-extenze-to-a-ss-performer-table/ (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/applying-extenze-to-a-ss-performer-table/)
7.   Relocated propane starter tank to the back of the frame
8.   Installed a powder coated wire basket for storage
9.   Painted the Weber logo in Copper
10.   Installed new casters
11.   Installed 8 steel wheels with painted copper rims and black tires
12.   Mounted a TW8060 dual channel thermocouple to the frame using a c-clamp and swivel-head mounting unit.
13.   Routed a 2200 degree ceramic fiber probe into the kettle using a fabricated mount to monitor kettle temp at the cooking grate.  Second probe can be attached to the TW8060 to monitor internal food temp for long, slow cooks.
14.   Replaced all existing hardware with stainless steel hardware.
15.   Ordered Zav koa-wood handles for kettle lid and SS table (still to be installed)
16.   Installed a Weber cooking grate with removable cast iron searing bars and hinged sides to allow for adding fuel while cooking.

Some pics:

This is the starting point after I had completed the extension of the SS table:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/f552577b18f8cb65d8c11fdd806c71a6097cc88.jpg)

Completely tore the performer down, bead blasted and powder coated the frame in gloss black:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/1662509beaf52b16d6a1683fd04a7dc6f137619.jpg)

Installed a 2014 Copper Performer bowl and lid.

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/92d35cccb06dfc51bf5dd71214655f4ac1f2b80.jpg)

Note in the picture above, the bale rollers are black instead of the usual grey.  I had ordered some replacements for Jocool and ordered some extras for myself.  I like the black over the grey for this project:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/04d159bbf4bad515c43e98962835ef23a62b5eb.jpg)

One thing I do not like about the stock Performer is the propane tank hanging down at the front of the frame, so I decided to relocate it to the back, ditched the charcoal bin, and installed a powder coated wire basket to hold gloves, spices, knives, etc:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/978153bdf9b7d81b217619549846a83684ff618.jpg)

I wanted the copper theme throughout the grill, so I painted the weber logo:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/ec33570cb4d5f7f0bbb6d30210c0741f6253743.jpg)

I also replaced the stock 8" plastic wheels with steel wheels and solid rubber tires (using the existing axle), painted to match as well:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/ad435f31b3e0f29abd61d94e1f2ded3cbf1c5d2.jpg)

This is where it gets weird - due to my obsession with monitoring temperature while cooking, I devised a way to monitor temperature at the cooking level, at the kettle lid, and in the food, which is useful for long, slow cooks.   I installed a 700 degree kettle pizza thermometer in the lid and a 2200 degree probe mounted in the kettle just below the food grate.  I fabricated the mount and used one of the bolts holding the propane starter tube as my kettle mount:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/a342568b87f32b81d101fd3b2bfc06a2930dd1c.jpg)

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/54235149b384fadcb534dd221219251c5a7ef28.jpg)

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/ffd35360b482f3c6b509d80315dd2683b0bf537.jpg)

The probe is routed through the other existing hole, run along the frame, and plugs into my thermoworks unit.  There is another input for plugging in a food probe.

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/b9f157bff9b9d61b910454c7f9e600d0eb78557.jpg)

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/09b15bbcf3bfde18b71466bb5fb66274d695e5c.jpg)

Completed project (minus the Koa Zav handles on order):

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/11a252fb63f17bd5d651ac0dbbcec701f49ca90.jpg)

Of course, I had to make my OTG copper kettle match, so I blacked out the legs and installed 6" steel wheels painted copper.  It is also getting new Zav handles:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/19215bb9ffbed1120612888b6d089236d2882bd.jpg)

The pair:

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/c0c3596eb257fb58b7b3dae8191adba517c9d0d.jpg)

I am calling the performer "Bisbee" in reference to an Arizona copper mining town we use to visit when we lived in AZ.  Thinking of calling the OTG "Jerome".

My total budget (less the price of the thermoworks unit) was about what you would pay for a new performer.  However I think the extended SS table, powder coated frame, steel wheels, Koa wood handles, and all stainless hardware are all pretty significant upgrades when compared to a new copper performer.  I think Bisbee has a very "clean" look to it as well.  Because I can fold the extended table down by removing 1 bolt, I can also use the existing SS performer cover to keep it in good condition.

Winz
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: crumbsnatcher on March 11, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Wow, very nicely done. Love the black on copper look


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Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: AZ_MIKEY on March 11, 2014, 06:32:32 PM
Very nicely done. Any thoughts on adding a lid bale and lid thermometer to the OTG?

Can't wait to see the pair with the new handles. Also I like the names. I also noticed on the performer the ash sweep handle orientation, does it clear the frame when located there?
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: G on March 11, 2014, 06:33:10 PM
Beautiful and unique creations Winz.....that look like a fun project.
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Winz on March 11, 2014, 06:42:12 PM
Very nicely done. Any thoughts on adding a lid bale and lid thermometer to the OTG?

Can't wait to see the pair with the new handles. Also I like the names. I also noticed on the performer the ash sweep handle orientation, does it clear the frame when located there?

So funny you should ask about the OTG - I am thinking of using the lid bale from the black performer kettle I removed, and turning "Jerome" into a copper M/T of sorts.  I even have extra black bale rollers.

yes, the ash sweep and ash bucket have plenty of clearance - I actually like the orientation better as it is not blocked by items I may have in the storage bin on the bottom.
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: jcnaz on March 11, 2014, 07:21:18 PM
Bisbee and Jerome are awesome! The mods and the names! :)
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: 1buckie on March 11, 2014, 07:46:45 PM

 Zipping Right Along !!!!!!

 Really neat to see these pieces that were either in use or stored around just a bit ago all coming together.......tremendous job !!!!


PS: "I installed a 700 degree kettle pizza thermometer in the lid and a 2200 degree probe mounted in the kettle just below the food grate"
Don't you dare run Bisbee up to 2200f.....or even 700 for that matter or I'll come up there & spank you !!!!
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: pbe gummi bear on March 11, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
Hey Winz, I had no idea you had a thing for kettle temps.  ::)

(http://weberkettleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Weber-Westerner-831-681x1024.jpg)


I was flipping through the Thermoworks catalog today and I saw the bluetooth thermocouple controller. Have you thought about hooking the SS up to your phone?  ;D  8)  :P Is that dome dial accurate enough for you?

Your kettles are looking real good. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: kendoll on March 11, 2014, 08:45:06 PM
Fantastic work mate. They look great. :)

Ken
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Heyjude on March 11, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
Oh Man.. That's just awesome work you've done.
If you don't mind my asking, how much did Powder Coating cost you?
And do yo have the part # for the black rollers?
I've only ever seen them in grey. They look so much better in black.
 8)

Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Golly on March 11, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
sweet work Winz ;D
love it  8) 8)

whats the temp? :P
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Jocool on March 12, 2014, 01:47:48 AM
Nicely done.

Did you think of raising the height at all? I have an SS as well as a 2005. And I have to say, it annoys me that they are differing heights.

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Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: landgraftj on March 12, 2014, 04:14:59 AM
Damn Winz that's a great job, very creative!
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Winz on March 12, 2014, 04:16:18 AM
Quote
Don't you dare run Bisbee up to 2200f.....or even 700 for that matter or I'll come up there & spank you !!!!

Buckie - if that means that you will stay and cook dinner, it is tempting....

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I was flipping through the Thermoworks catalog today

Gummi - music to my ears.

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If you don't mind my asking, how much did Powder Coating cost you?
And do yo have the part # for the black rollers?

AJ - Bead blasting and powder coating was $50.  I have stripped and painted carts myself before, and I can say it was $50 well spent.  The powder coat is first rate stuff.  Black lid bale rollers can be ordered here:  http://www.ereplacementparts.com/hardware-for-lid-support-p-1477082.html?osCsid=0igeu9bdr7bd73jbv4ikhejhr5 (http://www.ereplacementparts.com/hardware-for-lid-support-p-1477082.html?osCsid=0igeu9bdr7bd73jbv4ikhejhr5)

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Did you think of raising the height at all?

Joe - I did not, however it would be easy enough to do by going to 10" wheels and 4" casters (or wheels).

Winz
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: glrasmussen on March 12, 2014, 04:18:56 AM
Very nice Winz!
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: 1buckie on March 12, 2014, 04:34:14 AM
sweet work Winz ;D
love it  8) 8)

whats the temp? :P


 Golly, I remember that scene......he's standing there with the Thermapen thru the vent, watching it go up & calling off the rising temp, while Gummi's snapping away, until his knuckles got too hot..................memorable............. 8)
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: landgraftj on March 12, 2014, 04:50:16 AM
Winz - can you send me the photos of the build? I'd like to get them for the customs gallery.
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Jeff on March 12, 2014, 03:17:16 PM
Unique build for sure Winz.  Nice job!  Can't wait to see it in action!
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Heyjude on March 13, 2014, 06:40:04 AM
Hey Winz..
That ereplacements PN is showing Grey Rollers, are you sure that is the one you bought?

Also, for $50, you got a deal on the powder coating. By the time I buy sandpaper and paint it would be $10 to $15, so well worth it.. I'll start shipping yo my frames for refurbishing..Lol..

Also, will get you a payment later today.. Thanks!
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: BigRix on March 13, 2014, 08:09:23 AM
That is just beautiful and it makes this Arizona boy proud.

Good work.
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Winz on March 13, 2014, 08:19:59 AM
Hey Winz..
That ereplacements PN is showing Grey Rollers, are you sure that is the one you bought?

Also, for $50, you got a deal on the powder coating. By the time I buy sandpaper and paint it would be $10 to $15, so well worth it.. I'll start shipping yo my frames for refurbishing..Lol..

Also, will get you a payment later today.. Thanks!

I know they look grey in that picture, but that is because they have a powder-like "coating" on them.  When I got mine, a quick rinse with water and the white coating washed away, leaving black rollers.

Got your paypal this morning - thank you.

Winz
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Heyjude on March 13, 2014, 08:26:28 PM
Hey Winz..
That ereplacements PN is showing Grey Rollers, are you sure that is the one you bought?

Also, for $50, you got a deal on the powder coating. By the time I buy sandpaper and paint it would be $10 to $15, so well worth it.. I'll start shipping yo my frames for refurbishing..Lol..

Also, will get you a payment later today.. Thanks!

I know they look grey in that picture, but that is because they have a powder-like "coating" on them.  When I got mine, a quick rinse with water and the white coating washed away, leaving black rollers.

Got your paypal this morning - thank you.

Winz


Very Cool, Thanks.
Also, got the package today. I guess now I have to restore a few Performers..
 8)
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Jocool on March 17, 2014, 07:59:14 PM
Imagine my surprise......(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/2azymy3a.jpg)
I opened it and found these......
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/18/agabetaq.jpg)

Thanks mate. I don't care what they all told me about you, but you're a top bloke Winz!


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Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: wyd on March 18, 2014, 04:32:45 AM
Those kettles look awesome and a matching pair is even better.  Really liked how your project turned out.
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: mrgoodbar67 on August 12, 2015, 08:36:39 PM
Winz, you stated that you replaced the stock performer ss bowl and lid with a 2014 copper performer bowl and lid..

what if i want to replace the stock one with a a OTS 22" bowl?  Can it be done using the existing mounting hardware on the SS performer?
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: 1buckie on August 13, 2015, 06:50:45 AM
@mrgoodbar67  .....let's do a tag here as this is an older story & it's possible he may not see this....

@Winz     
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Winz on August 13, 2015, 06:58:06 AM

Thanks buckie.

@mrgoodbar67 - all the dimensions are the same, however you would be missing two things: 
1) the performer bowls have two tabs welded to the sides to allow mounting in the cart.  Other members here have removed them from performer bowls and reattached them to OTG/OTS bowls.  I have not done it, but it can be done.   
2) if you want gas assist, you will need to modify the OTG/OTS bowl.  pbe gummi bear has done this modification.  Send him a PM and he will help you out.


Good luck!


Winz
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: mrgoodbar67 on August 13, 2015, 08:14:08 AM
Oh, great.  Didnt know we could do that.  Thank you @1buckie

@Winz- hmmmm ill have to search on here to see if anyone has done this mod and placed a OTS/ OTG on to the SS performer using another method besides attaching the stock SS tabs to the new bowl?
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: mrgoodbar67 on August 14, 2015, 08:00:44 PM
@Winz if you dont mine me asking, how much did u pay for the current performer bowl and lid?  What did it come with? (ash catcher bowl? Lid bale? lid handle?)
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: vetdude on October 22, 2015, 06:13:57 PM
Outstandingi work!  I have to know, where did you get those 8" steel wheels with the solid rubber tires?  I've been wanting to replace those lousy plastic things on my Weber since like forever.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: Winz on October 23, 2015, 04:55:28 AM
@vetdude   I purchased them at Tractor Supply Co, however you can also find ones like them on the web:  http://www.amazon.com/Maxpower-335180-8-Inch-4-Inch-Steel/dp/B000FJTW7S (http://www.amazon.com/Maxpower-335180-8-Inch-4-Inch-Steel/dp/B000FJTW7S)


Wins
Title: Re: Copper SS Performer (Project "Bisbee")
Post by: vetdude on October 23, 2015, 05:47:27 AM
Thanks much Wins.  That is one awesome grill man.  Kudos.