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Title: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: LightningBoldtz on December 06, 2017, 03:00:10 AM
our friend @ABCbarbecue is mentioned.

http://www.hearthandhome.com/magazine/2017-10-16/stealing_creativity.html
Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: ABCbarbecue on December 06, 2017, 03:18:54 AM
Jeff thanks for the mention!
Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: LightningBoldtz on December 06, 2017, 04:16:03 AM
We like to grouse about how bad it is that large companies are shipping jobs overseas, I have said for a while that it is unfortunate, much of it falls on our political climate.

Until this changes there is not much we as the consumer can do, however, this type of thing we can do something about, a little does go a long way.
Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: addicted-to-smoke on December 06, 2017, 05:34:53 AM
Companies seeking cheap labor is a natural consequence of capitalism. Altering politics in a way that financially rewards companies for using expensive labor instead, will always have unintended and expensive consequences elsewhere. But it would cure this problem for sure.

I'm not saying "we should do nothing." It's just an observation I learned in my first Economics class, that the "simple" fixes are usually anything but simple.

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The article does a good job of highlighting the pitfalls for both manufacturers and consumers. I didn’t realize that Amazon Fulfillment, for example, wasn’t a signifier of getting legit product.

That said, I have always tried to pay attention to the listed seller, which is unfortunately always depicted in small font. Amazon clearly wants us all to consider “it” is the seller, and ya know what? That makes them vulnerable.

The world desperately needs a legitimate Amazon competitor. As a consumer, I realized years ago that product reviews were often bunk because of Amazon’s policy of allowing fakes and old versions and whatever else to be published on the same page. Most consumers will not research the snot out of a product purchase like I will, nor should they have to do so.

Some companies do not enter that sphere, Thermoworks being a good example. They pay a price for that luxury of avoiding Amazon, but also can afford to do so since their core business is not BBQ thermometers.

There are many reasons why Amazon became dominant, and their Affiliate advertising program on sites like WKC is a very good example of what helped them grow in the early years. Site owners paid them in viewership eyeballs to get big, for a piece of the cash. I'm not placing a judgement here, just again, noting a significant piece of it.
Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: vwengguy on December 06, 2017, 06:35:32 AM
You Get What You Pay For !
Do yourself a favor and spend some time google'n what you want to buy BEFORE you spend your money.
Search the item you want and check the company website for official ways to buy there REAL Products.
I do this as often as I can and when I wanted a S'nS I contacted David at @ABCbarbecue to buy it directly from the maker.
I have seen the cheaper ones and even had one in my hands.... ja.. what can I say...
Buy the Best and Forget the Rest.
If the deal sounds too good to be true... It probably is !
Even if I had saved $30 buying a knock-off... I would have paid 2-3x too much for the shitty quiality.

( Edited OUT ... 50+ LINES OF RANT AND RAVE FRUSTRATION )
Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: Cellar2ful on December 06, 2017, 08:09:56 AM
Interesting read.  Thanks for posting the article link. I was a victim of a Amazon counterfeit product early last year.   I bought a pair of Ove Gloves from Amazon, thinking I was getting a great deal at $10 for 2 gloves.  All the other sellers listed the gloves at $20 a pair.  This is an photo from the sellers site on Amazon.

(http://pics.weberkettleclub.com/images/2017/12/06/91Tfv3KuvdL._SL1500_.md.jpg)

As you can see, it looks like a normal Ove Glove with the box packaging.  The order took 6 weeks to be delivered and the gloves were packaged in a plastic bag, no box.  As soon as I put them on I knew they knock offs.  They fit nothing like my 10 year old original Ove Gloves.  The wrist and palm areas were over sized and loose and the fingers were to long and small.  The fingers have about an inch at the end that I cannot get my fingers into.


Reading the comments that have now been posted after my purchase, definitely confirms the product (which is no longer available) was a counterfeit knockoff. My guess is the 6 week shipping wait was due to the order being shipped from China.  Luckily, I was only out $10, but the experience changed the way I order online. I now look carefully to see if the product is being sold by the actual manufacturer. If not, I research and attempt to make contact and buy it directly from the manufacturer. 

Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: addicted-to-smoke on December 06, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
Amazon wouldn't take them back?
Title: Re: Good read on the Chinese counterfeit market
Post by: Cellar2ful on December 06, 2017, 02:42:42 PM


Didn't bother for $10.  I use them for picking up hot grates when needed.