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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: Winz on February 20, 2014, 06:21:15 AM
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From the vintage gallery (awesome resource by the way!), it appears there are 3 styles of handles on the Wood Dale lids. In chronological order:
Style 1 is metal that points away from the vent:
(http://images.yuku.com/image/png/914157bef6b5db1714626a9ee4d1a1a91a55243.png)
Style 2 is metal that points at the vent:
(http://images.yuku.com/image/png/91c152b8f5bcd51794f335b1e888dce11e7ab1c.png)
Style 3 is a wood handle that points at the vent:
(http://images.yuku.com/image/png/6e4258bb16f2abccd871103577ae53b780ecd41.png)
Any ideas as to the dates of manufacture for style 1, style 2, and style 3?
Winz
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While not nailed down completely, the metal handles on 22/26 kettleswere pointed away from the vents in 1958 but pointed at the vent by 1963. Wood handles came out by 1964.
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Thanks Craig. It is that transition year between style 1 and style 2 (mine) that I am trying to get some data on so that I can better understand the date of my Wood Dale.
If they were pointed at the vent by 63, and 64 was the first year of wooden handles, that would tell me that it is a 1963. Or do you think that the metal handle was reconfigured earlier (early 60's?)
Winz
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One of them handles looks awfully familiar?
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One of them handles looks awfully familiar?
Yes indeed - best example of a wood handle Wood Dale I could find...
Winz
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Thanks Craig. It is that transition year between style 1 and style 2 (mine) that I am trying to get some data on so that I can better understand the date of my Wood Dale.
If they were pointed at the vent by 63, and 64 was the first year of wooden handles, that would tell me that it is a 1963. Or do you think that the metal handle was reconfigured earlier (early 60's?)
Winz
Well, the best information we have currently on the handle orientation comes from the 1962 catalog (I'll have to find my scan of it) that has the handles pointed away from the vents. Now the '62 catalog could have been shot in 1961. We haven't seen an actual 1961 catalog yet. The 1963 grey mist "Plainsman" has the handle oriented towards the vent. At this time that is the best information we have on this. Did I mention that I'm super stoked that you scored the Westerner? If you want to send it to me I'll study it for a while.. ;)
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Incidentally the Westerner that's featured in Webers timeline as 1958 has the lid handle turned away from the vent.
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Did I mention that I'm super stoked that you scored the Westerner? If you want to send it to me I'll study it for a while.. ;)
Yes - your posts throughout the acquisition process were stellar and I really appreciate it. I am not sure what "Ewok dance! YUB NUB!" is, but I like it!
So it sounds like 62 or 63 is most likely for a wood dale, metal handle pointed toward the vent. Hopefully some more early 60's catalogs will surface over time. I saw the image for the 58 westerner on the Weber site.
More pics to come, but I want to do it right. I have already been comparing my westerner to the pics of the one sold on Ebay - some very notable differences in the cosmetics. Full report to come to be included in the vintage gallery. For now, just trying to understand as much about it as possible.
Thanks,
Winz
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Ewoks dancing
(http://starwarsanon.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/dancing-ewok-gif1.gif?w=660)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m44bhqHIqv1qjp0avo1_500.gif)
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Nice blue smoke - are they doing pork butt on a weber in the lower frame?
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Nice blue smoke - are they doing pork butt on a weber in the lower frame?
They're smoking a stormtrooper butt off camera... ;D
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One question I have is was the orientation of the 26ers always the same as the 22's?
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One question I have is was the orientation of the 26ers always the same as the 22's?
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Should have been. Which way is Grandpa oriented?
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What was the first year of the 26r?
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What was the first year of the 26r?
Unkown for sure. Earliest one seen so far is the '58 version of the Westerner in the timeline. I would think that black would have been out at the same time but more digging needs to be done.
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Hold on.....I thought the 26ers came out in '62. My reasoning is based on the catalog page here....reply #13
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/old-26-found/
Was that just a new color?
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I'm taking it as a new color
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Hold on.....I thought the 26ers came out in '62. My reasoning is based on the catalog page here....reply #13
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/old-26-found/
Was that just a new color?
Stu, that's the 1962 catalog I was talking to you about in the PM. If you look closely at that Fleetwood, the handle is turned away from the vent...
Brian, that color could have very well have been new for '62. Perhaps the Westerner was the lone 26"er for a couple of years. Notice the absence of a red 26"er too.. I also concede that this is a grey kettle.
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Craig and I got into this same discussion just the other day. We were debating whether the Weber Timeline was wrong in stating that the Westerner came out in 1958. We settled on it being right and I believe the Westerner was the first 26'r. My belief is that they made something larger than a 22 and smaller than a ranch and stamped it with a Texas longhorn symbol because everything is supposed to be bigger in Texas.
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Yep.....wish I had a copy. Maybe that was the year the Fleetwood (black which looks silvery in the photo) was introduced. Almost looks like it has only one bowl handle.
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Are u looking for the 62 catalog pics that had what looks like a new Grandpa in it?
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Yep.....wish I had a copy. Maybe that was the year the Fleetwood (black which looks silvery in the photo) was introduced. Almost looks like it has only one bowl handle.
One weird attribute of the MTH and MBH kettles is that if your looking at one from the side just slightly out of center, one of the bowl handles always disappear from view. Notice the Yellow Ochre (Ambassador) has the same thing going on.
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Are u looking for the 62 catalog pics that had what looks like a new Grandpa in it?
Yes we both are. Do you have a bigger shot of that catalog?
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I thought I did but guess not. Only have the 63 catalog that shows the Westerner as being "new". Its handle configuration is opposite of Winz's handle
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I thought I did but guess not. Only have the 63 catalog that shows the Westerner as being "new". Its handle configuration is opposite of Winz's handle
1963. I don't have that one. Lets see it! The one possibility regarding the handle in the '63 catalog is that they could have used older/existing models. But either way, I'd love to see that one.
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i don't think the timeline is a great piece of evidence.
it's a marketing piece and I doubt they were concerned about data integrity when they were designing it.
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Only have the 63 catalog that shows the Westerner as being "new".
That would jive with the 62 catalog listing the "New 26" Grill"
+1 for a scan of '63.
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i don't think the timeline is a great piece of evidence.
it's a marketing piece and I doubt they were concerned about data integrity when they were designing it.
I haven't completely ruled that out either.
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That would jive with the 62 catalog listing the "New 26" Grill"
This adds up too..
As for catalogs, I've got the small scan of 1962, the 1964, 1966 (same as '64) 1968, 1972,1973 and 1979. On my computer, not physical copies I'm sorry to say..
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I can't really post a pic of it now. This wind storm here has knocked out our power. Operating at under 30% on my phone now.
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I can't really post a pic of it now. This wind storm here has knocked out our power. Operating at under 30% on my phone now.
turn the brightness down and get that shit posted, yo.
:)
THIS IS URGENT!!
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That sucks. I'm sorry Jeff. Whenever you can.
I WE look forward to it! :D
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Urgent.....yes.....fire up one of the Weber lanterns....:)
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Put some "D"s in the lunette light.....:)
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(not sure if G knows what "D" really stands for. funny either way)
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D's nuts?
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Sent a pic to troy
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You lost me. Nuts? No....D batteries. The Weber Lunette Light ran on 4 D batteries.
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/weber-lunette-lights/
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You lost me. Nuts? No....D batteries. The Weber Lunette Light ran on 4 D batteries.
I was trying to figure out what Troy was referencing. :)
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They're pretty bright. I like mine. Stu you can't get pics on your phone right? Sent to troy, but he's going home now. Craig you can pm me if you want with your number...I'll send you what I have
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I took this picture right from the catalog
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mXl0dpNYI3I/UL_KyJXNDjI/AAAAAAAABEQ/GKqAClj6Z4Q/w846-h477-no/IMG_20121205_162909_589.jpg)
I think it was the only 26 listed, Ed Rielly said this was a 1963 catalog
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THis is obviously 62
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg.html)
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But I'm not trusting the years of these catalogs, if the one is a 62, and the other picture is supposed to be 63, there is no mention of the Westerner. However the one we all believe to be 64' has wooden handles. Clearly there is metal handled Westerners....Not sure when these catalogs were actually from.....
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This 63 catalog has the MTH westerner...it even says it's NEW!
http://tvwbb.com/showthread.php?39349-1963-Weber-Product-Catalog
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I am thinking the 1962 Grandpa is the original Fleetwood and it came in silver. Then in 1963 they continued the Fleetwood only black instead. (Hey it's easier.) Notice the lids are just like Troy's red 26'r? I think the flat top came in later. Has anyone ever seen a flat top with a metal top handle? I'm thinking the flat lid change came in sometime after. I still think the Westerner came at least around 1959, but the handle was turned opposite of Winz. The Westerner might have said 'New' later because it was either reintroduced or because it had some changes like the wood handle.
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I took this picture right from the catalog
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mXl0dpNYI3I/UL_KyJXNDjI/AAAAAAAABEQ/GKqAClj6Z4Q/w846-h477-no/IMG_20121205_162909_589.jpg)
I think it was the only 26 listed, Ed Rielly said this was a 1963 catalog
This catalog has to be from the 50's, I don't think it's 63
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It couldn't have been from the fifties because it has a picture of the 1960 Galley Que in it.
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Okay apparently this is from the same catalog, Jeff is saying 58'
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Mobile%20Uploads/e37a07f4-ff5d-413a-bee5-0fabebdd7bbf_zps9c482e23.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Mobile%20Uploads/e37a07f4-ff5d-413a-bee5-0fabebdd7bbf_zps9c482e23.jpg.html)
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It couldn't have been from the fifties because it has a picture of the 1960 Galley Que in it.
How do you know there wasn't a galley que in 58?
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That image of the Westerner is the same one shown in the timeline. But to Shauns point, there's the Galley Q..
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Looking at the 1962 catalog, the description of the Fleetwood is the exact same description as the one in this catalog (1963) the '62 is harder to read but its the same.
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It couldn't have been from the fifties because it has a picture of the 1960 Galley Que in it.
How do you know there wasn't a galley que in 58?
Because the Weber timeline calls it 1960. Not that the timelines are always right, but just going by that.
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I didn't say 58, I said I had it marked as 63...but nowhere is there a copyright or dates mentioned in the text
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Notice no grey Plainsman either...
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(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AmR5qIx1Eck/UL_Ku02e-pI/AAAAAAAABEI/djldzecSDII/w846-h477-no/IMG_20121205_162903_065.jpg)
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Looking at the 1962 catalog, the description of the Fleetwood is the exact same description as the one in this catalog (1963 or 1958) the '62 is harder to read but its the same.
As I recall it said Silver somewhere on that 62 catalog. Can you see where it says that?
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Why is the galley que locked to 1960?
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THis is obviously 62
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg.html)
The '62 Fleetwood. "Jet Black lifetime porcelain fi-
ish, aluminum ash catch-
er, legs and fixtures
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The copy of the catalog with the Westerner illustrated as new is from 1963. It is listed on the back cover (as C 63). I also believe this is the same catalog that Zav posted pics of. Based on the catalog dates, Im thinking the 26 was introduced in 62 and the Westerner in 63. Thoughts?
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At any rate, all of these colors would have been equally popular options between 1958 and 1963. I want to mention that the 60 years timeline shows the smokey joe for 1961. Yet the 50 year timeline shows it as 1957. Is Weber showing us the 1960 edition of the galley q? The 1961 version of the SJ? The 1958 version of the Westerner? Food for thought. Did the original 1957 fireplace have a wood lid handle?
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The copy of the catalog with the Westerner illustrated as new is from 1963. It is listed on the back cover (as C 63). I also believe this is the same catalog that Zav posted pics of. Based on the catalog dates, Im thinking the 26 was introduced in 62 and the Westerner in 63. Thoughts?
Possibly, but didn't they start adding wood handles in '63?
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I agree with Stu's assessment, I think that timeline is somewhat suspect.
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It is listed on the back cover (as C 63).
Good eye again, Stu! I keep forgetting to look for that with each new to me catalog.
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The copy of the catalog with the Westerner illustrated as new is from 1963. It is listed on the back cover (as C 63). I also believe this is the same catalog that Zav posted pics of. Based on the catalog dates, Im thinking the 26 was introduced in 62 and the Westerner in 63. Thoughts?
Possibly, but didn't they start adding wood handles in '63?
checking
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64 catalog shows all wood handles
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64 catalog shows all wood handles
I also cannot find a "c-64" in that one. Stu or Brian, am I missing that?
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Why is the galley que locked to 1960?
They probably would have added 'New for '62" if the Galley Que was new in '62, but that doesn't mean it didn't come out in '61 and not '60. Good catch on the Fireplace wood handle Craig. Now I'm thinking it either came out later or they just used the wood handle on them because it would have been 'Nut's" to use metal. besides they really went all out custom on the fireplace, it's a serious oddball.
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also cannot find a "c-64" in that one. Stu or Brian, am I missing that?
No...it didn't make the scan. It could be 64 or 65.
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I just want to say this is the most fun I have had here in a long time. :)
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This says it's a 1965 catalog, and it says New Walnut handles
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/webercatalog02_zps7f2ceacf.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/webercatalog02_zps7f2ceacf.jpg.html)
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The 1966 catalog (same as 1964) except that there is no avocado wishing well. Which was mentioned as 1966 in the timeline. '66 was a huge year for that color in the world of appliances. maybe it took Weber another year to hop on board and drop the imperial in favor of the Caribbean...
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Could the '64 and '63 models have had oak handles?
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This says it's a 1965 catalog, and it says New Walnut handles
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/webercatalog02_zps7f2ceacf.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/webercatalog02_zps7f2ceacf.jpg.html)
I'm not seeing a year. Where do you see this?
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Could the '64 and '63 models have had oak handles?
Could be 63 MTH pointed away from vent, 1964 MTH pointed at the vent, 1965 first wood.??
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This says it's a 1965 catalog, and it says New Walnut handles
Zav....that pic is the same as the pic in the 1968 catalog. I think that's from 68.
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This says it's a 1965 catalog, and it says New Walnut handles
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/webercatalog02_zps7f2ceacf.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/webercatalog02_zps7f2ceacf.jpg.html)
I'm not sure if it matters, but the bottom rendering shows a metal handled red 22.
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Could the '64 and '63 models have had oak handles?
Could be 63 MTH pointed away from vent, 1964 MTH pointed at the vent, 1965 first wood.??
Very possible and more likely than wood.
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Ive got my 3 ring binder out now.....(nerd).
Duke....those same photos are in all catalogs back to 1963.
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I'm not sure if it matters, but the bottom rendering shows a metal handled red 22.
I think that was Weber's standard kettle cut out rendering used throughout the decade. It was changed by 1972 at least.
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Ive got my 3 ring binder out now.....(nerd).
I was wondering when that would come out..
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However the catalog that we call 1964 says new walnut handles as well....although it doesn't say c-64 anywhere on it.
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Ive got my 3 ring binder out now.....(nerd).
Duke....those same photos are in all catalogs back to 1963.
I'm not looking at the cat's at all, just memory, bad memory. ;D
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And Shaun I see by your tagline that your channeling the catalogs and cookbooks again like the good old days. 8)
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And Shaun I see by your tagline that your channeling the catalogs and cookbooks again like the good old days. 8)
Indeed I am. ;)
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Im starting to think the catalog we all know as being from 64 is actually from 65. The cover is identical to the 66 and we know that is from 1966. Would Weber use the same cover for three years? Also thinking Craig is on to something with this
Could be 63 MTH pointed away from vent, 1964 MTH pointed at the vent, 1965 first wood.??
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I just want to say this is the most fun I have had here in a long time. :)
And I just want to say it is fun watching this all go down. I don't think any other group of people on the planet would be able to resurrect the kind of information discussed in the last 6 pages of this post. Fascinating.
Winz
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It would seem the MTH pointed at the vent is the lost child in the world of Weber catalogs as of now. As for live MTH-> Harris had black one, Grandpa is one, who else has a MTH->
MTH-> points at the vent
MTH <- points away
OGlenn's red 22 (the tomato) is a MTH<-
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I think Dazzo's Woody may have a handle pointing toward the vent, not sideways like Jeff's black Woody.
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Winz, I want to thank your for bringing my favorite part of the kettle collecting (history) to light again tonight. It has been a huge joy for me. To see the participation and the involvement.
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As for live MTH-> Harris had one, Grandpa is one, who else has a MTH->
MTH-> points at the vent
Me...
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/a36259aba6fd2bf0d1a1ae19644cbdb20b7a071.jpg)
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Im starting to think the catalog we all know as being from 64 is actually from 65. The cover is identical to the 66 and we know that is from 1966. Would Weber use the same cover for three years? Also thinking Craig is on to something with this
Could be 63 MTH pointed away from vent, 1964 MTH pointed at the vent, 1965 first wood.??
The one i have says C-65 on it so I would assume that's a legit 1965, the one that says "new for 62" is legit, the others? Who knows
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As for live MTH-> Harris had one, Grandpa is one, who else has a MTH->
MTH-> points at the vent
Me...
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/a36259aba6fd2bf0d1a1ae19644cbdb20b7a071.jpg)
Crap I forgot the one that started the whole subject.. yes your Westerner: MTH->
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The one i have says C-65 on it so I would assume that's a legit 1965, the one that says "new for 62" is legit, the others? Who knows
63, 66, 68, 72, 73, 79, and 81 (only scans I have) all have the dates on the back.
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The one i have says C-65 on it so I would assume that's a legit 1965, the one that says "new for 62" is legit, the others? Who knows
63, 66, 68, 72, 73, 79, and 81 (only scans I have) all have the dates on the back.
1968... That's the one of George and the other guy cooking on a red 22 and theres the two young guys with the avocado sequoia behind them, correct? If so, I couldn't find a c-68 on that one.
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That's the one....the date is on the lower left corner of the last page, just beneath and left of the fireplace.
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I'm thinking Weber might not have done an updated catalog every year.
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That's the one....the date is on the lower left corner of the last page, just beneath and left of the fireplace.
Hmmm. that's the page that I am missing.. :(
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I just want to say this is the most fun I have had here in a long time. :)
And I just want to say it is fun watching this all go down. I don't think any other group of people on the planet would be able to resurrect the kind of information discussed in the last 6 pages of this post. Fascinating.
Winz
This discussion is even more amazing when you set your preferences to show 50 posts per page like I do. :)
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FWIW - Westerner story, claiming that the parents bought it new in 1958.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2482&dat=20040616&id=SppIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TQoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5913,137093 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2482&dat=20040616&id=SppIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TQoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5913,137093)
Winz
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She and I have spoken. Lawrence and I will be visiting her for an interview one day soon. Maybe it will help us get to the bottom of this mystery.
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FWIW - Westerner story, claiming that the parents bought it new in 1958.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2482&dat=20040616&id=SppIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TQoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5913,137093 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2482&dat=20040616&id=SppIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TQoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5913,137093)
Winz
nice find, i forgot about that one.
i'm reluctant to lock that in as a definite 58, too much room for error
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now is probably a good time to start uploading all the catalogs to a new section of the site.
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oh sure, i finally get home from work and get some time and everyone disappears.
well here's some catalogs.
http://weberkettleclub.com/old-weber-catalogs/
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Hey Winz, I thought I would say congrats on passing the 100 post mark and making "Brave". Last time I looked you were at 99. Then this Westerner thing ramped up and you blew past in a flash.
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*This metal handle is from 1958. The owner was an external accountant for Weber and picked it off the assembly line for a discounted price.
*Here is a pic of Ed's Custom Bar-B-Q
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/Picture240_zpscb06c4f0.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/Picture240_zpscb06c4f0.jpg.html)
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/photo1_zpsdbde3049.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/photo1_zpsdbde3049.jpg.html)
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My Plainsman is pointed towards the vent.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag64/tattooedant/BBQPicsFall2013202_zps5aeb553f.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/tattooedant/media/BBQPicsFall2013202_zps5aeb553f.jpg.html)
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We NEED this Plainsman in the gallery! Send us some more pics and a little history:
gallery at weberkettleclub dot com
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We NEED this Plainsman in the gallery! Send us some more pics and a little history:
gallery at weberkettleclub dot com
Its there! One of the first ones... ;D
http://weberkettleclub.com/blog/2013/12/04/1963-plainsman-white-grey/ (http://weberkettleclub.com/blog/2013/12/04/1963-plainsman-white-grey/)
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Brain freeze! On my gallery it's tucked way down on pg 3. Looks great.
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This says C-65
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/webercatalog08_zps7abd79bb.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/webercatalog08_zps7abd79bb.jpg.html)
This is the cover
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/webercatalog01_zpsac663536.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/webercatalog01_zpsac663536.jpg.html)
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Great thread Thanks all.
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I think Dazzo's Woody may have a handle pointing toward the vent, not sideways like Jeff's black Woody.
Yes, my "Wood Dale" has a handle pointing to the vent ...
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b505/dazzo16/posts/wooddale/1_zps95a90d2d.jpg)
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So is there a definitive answer that says the Wooddale like Harris and myself have with the handle pointing away from the vent is older than it it points towards the vent?
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Not sure this is any help.
Mine...
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/glrasmussen/null_zps7d30fdc0.jpg) (http://s1271.photobucket.com/user/glrasmussen/media/null_zps7d30fdc0.jpg.html)
The one I'm pursuing...
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/glrasmussen/null_zpsd4b6fc06.jpg) (http://s1271.photobucket.com/user/glrasmussen/media/null_zpsd4b6fc06.jpg.html)
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Then there's THIS ONE ~~~~>
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/p480x480/1001487_146825948844377_1696966557_n.jpg)
From Here:
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/red-kettle/
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So is there a definitive answer that says the Wooddale like Harris and myself have with the handle pointing away from the vent is older than it it points towards the vent?
not sure about definitive but seems correct based on gl's last pic. the skinny metal wheels were present before the wider metal ones.
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Now you guys are just showing off.
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The next question that comes to my mind now is the painted ash pans. The one Greg is pursuing has a dark ash pan. I know the old one Harris had also had a dark ash pan that we all questioned at the time. The old blue 18 on Ebay had a painted triangular pan to match the blue of the grill. The Wooddale I have had a white painted ash pan on the top as well as the bottom. I wonder if the pans were painted up to a certain year. There seems to be no consistency on paint colors though whether its blue, dark grey/black, or white.
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I feel like we are getting much closer, but the question remains:
Wood dale handle pointing away is from ? to ?
Wood dale handle pointing toward is from ? to ?
Wood dale wooden handle is from ? to ?
Nailing this down would help greatly in documenting these kettles. Anyone care to take a shot at summarizing?
Winz
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Almost certainly the handles turned perpendicular to the vent are older....I think that is a fact.
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I feel like we are getting much closer, but the question remains:
Wood dale handle pointing away is from ? to ?
Wood dale handle pointing toward is from ? to ?
Wood dale wooden handle is from ? to ?
Nailing this down would help greatly in documenting these kettles. Anyone care to take a shot at summarizing?
Winz
Well obviously, the handles are still facing the direction of the vent. So that question is easy. They were turned that way some time in the early 60's. The rest is Pure conjecture because we have an incomplete history. We can definitively say they were perpendicular to the vent in 62. So If I had to make a somewhat educated guess, the handles changed direction someplace around 63'-64'. and it has remained that way ever since. Now the 18 never changed and it is still that way. Not sure why one is one way and the 18 is the other. That is a question for another day....
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I think a visit to Weber Engineers desk, to review the archives is the way to go. That being said, the answers might not be the there...
There was no documentation on the gas performer... One of our best, with an inside connection, could not get it pinned down on production or production year...
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Where is X-WOLF-X now? Did he keep that redhead? We really need more pics of that one.
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Thanks Brian,
We can definitively say they were perpendicular to the vent in 62. So If I had to make a somewhat educated guess, the handles changed direction someplace around 63'-64'. and it has remained that way ever since.
So, in the table I put forth we have this:
Wood Dale perpendicular handle ? (first year of wood dale) to 1962
Wood Dale parallel metal handle 1963 to ?
Wood Dale parallel wooden handle ? to ?(last year of wood dale)
Just trying to nail it down.
Winz
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i would like to see a fact statement, citing reasons and sources regarding vent location on the 62.
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I think they moved form Wood dale right around 62'-63-64'. Are there wood handled Wood Dales? If your trying to figure out when your grill is from I would say 62'-63'?
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Well this catalog says "new for '62" Which I would think means 1962. They all have the handles facing perpendicular to the vent. That is pretty solid fact. I would say 95%.
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg.html)
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Hey Buckie, you see the right side of that catalog..... "buy a Weber...... Better n' ever!!"
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Well this catalog says "new for '62" Which I would think means 1962. They all have the handles facing perpendicular to the vent. That is pretty solid fact. I would say 95%.
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/1962webercatalog_zps8c4d9c90.jpg.html)
So the fact is, the 1962 catalog pictures grills with handles perpendicular to the vent.
We don't really know when the catalog was produced, when the pics were taken, or if features changed during 62 (or even before 62, but after the catalog was produced)
I realize there are a lot of things that will likely be unknown - i just want to be very careful with what is labeled as fact. (not trying to troll or play devils advocate)
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i have in my notebook that the arlington heights factory was opened in 62.
they moved to palatine in 83.
trying to find the source now
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that's why I said 95%....it's real good intel, just not 100%
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the 1966 weber catalog has been added to our old weber catalog page (http://weberkettleclub.com/old-weber-catalogs/)
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Troy the one we have as 67 I don't believe is 67....the number on the back is either 65 or 68 definitely not a 7.....
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Troy the one we have as 67 I don't believe is 67....the number on the back is either 65 or 68 definitely not a 7.....
figures.
i trusted the files on the jump drive that someone sent.
figure it out. i'll re-label when i water mark them.
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Info is still good, but you know here at the WKC we are gonna get to the bottom of it.....
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i have in my notebook that the arlington heights factory was opened in 62.
they moved to palatine in 83.
trying to find the source now
Finally......something that makes sense as to why there are hardly any "D" Codes.....................1982
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Keep in mind the US economy was in the toilet in 1982. Unemployment was scary high. I lost my second job that year, and ultimately my first home. Had a one year old son. Ultimately moved out of state (from Minnesota to Maryland) to find work. Noone was hiring, I was literally showing up and begging for work. I camped out in a small tent on a cross country job-finding trip, and knocked on a lot of doors. It was tough. I doubt many people were buying grills that year. It certainly was the last thing on my mind. Another reason why so few "D"s I suspect.
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Keep in mind the US economy was in the toilet in 1982. Unemployment was scary high. I lost my second job that year, and ultimately my first home. Had a one year old son. Ultimately moved out of state (from Minnesota to Maryland) to find work. Noone was hiring, I was literally showing up and begging for work. I camped out in a small tent on a cross country job-finding trip, and knocked on a lot of doors. It was tough. I doubt many people were buying grills that year. It certainly was the last thing on my mind. Another reason why so few "D"s I suspect.
holy crap.
i had no idea.
not sure if they don't teach that in schools, or if i just didn't pay attention.
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Yeah Marty, I do remember that time pretty well, but in a bit different light.....was solidly employed, moonliting at another place that had a ton of work & was being actively pursued by a third place...the lady hounded me for three years to go to work for her........also went to a helluva lot of Dead shows around that time........ 8)
I can see that making sense why they would not produce a bunch, but also if your machinery is being moved, it's really hard to make stuff !!!!
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People today groan about the economy. Pansies! I was paying 14% on my mortgage. That was average. I was driving a 20 year old car that I did all the maintenance on including an engine rebuild. Not by choice. Of course, No Internet. No cell phones. It would be a few more years before VCRs were a reality. No cable TV. My only set was a 13". I took the bus to work most days. We used cloth diapers for my son until he was trained. Yes, cloth - and no diaper service if you know what I mean. I played drums in a crappy wedding/polka band for an extra $100 a week. I could go on, but you are right, that period of our history is lost. Good riddance.
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Hey Brian isn't one of your wood handledChestnut Coppertones a Wood Dale? I thought the one you got from Shaun was a woody..Also there is a red wood handles MBH stamped Wood Dale on here as well..
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People today groan about the economy. Pansies! I was paying 14% on my mortgage. That was average. I was driving a 20 year old car that I did all the maintenance on including an engine rebuild. Not by choice. Of course, No Internet. No cell phones. It would be a few more years before VCRs were a reality. No cable TV. My only set was a 13". I took the bus to work most days. We used cloth diapers for my son until he was trained. Yes, cloth - and no diaper service if you know what I mean. I played drums in a crappy wedding/polka band for an extra $100 a week. I could go on, but you are right, that period of our history is lost. Good riddance.
....I used to trudge thru the snow to run a hand-cranked mimeograph in the back of a cold, dark unheated warehouse.....ah, the Nixon years....... 8)
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Now the 18 never changed and it is still that way. Not sure why one is one way and the 18 is the other.
Since the 18 lids are like mini flat tops, I would guess the reason is because there isnt enough room between the end of the handle and the beginning of the curvature of the lid to fit a vent. Its a space issue. Just a guess.....
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Now the 18 never changed and it is still that way. Not sure why one is one way and the 18 is the other.
Since the 18 lids are like mini flat tops, I would guess the reason is because there isnt enough room between the end of the handle and the beginning of the curvature of the lid to fit a vent. Its a space issue. Just a guess.....
That's what I was thinking too.
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Info is still good, but you know here at the WKC we are gonna get to the bottom of it.....
Definitely. 8)
If the Arlington factory opened in '62 then would those grills in the catalog be Wood Dales or Arlington's? Also, does anyone have the cover to that '62 catalog?
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People today groan about the economy. Pansies! I was paying 14% on my mortgage. That was average. I was driving a 20 year old car that I did all the maintenance on including an engine rebuild. Not by choice. Of course, No Internet. No cell phones. It would be a few more years before VCRs were a reality. No cable TV. My only set was a 13". I took the bus to work most days. We used cloth diapers for my son until he was trained. Yes, cloth - and no diaper service if you know what I mean. I played drums in a crappy wedding/polka band for an extra $100 a week. I could go on, but you are right, that period of our history is lost. Good riddance.
Good riddance? Shoot, I'd do anything to have them days back again no matter how bad it was. Back then, I had two legs that actually worked!
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If the Arlington factory opened in '62 then would those grills in the catalog be Wood Dales or Arlington's? Also, does anyone have the cover to that '62 catalog?
Pure speculation on my part, but I've got to think that there was wood dale inventory in 62 during the transition to the new factory. Unless Arlington was opened in Jan, Feb, or March of 62, I would bet that most of the production was from the Wood Dale factory.
You would think at a minimum, that Weber would use up all the inventory of vents from Wood Dale rather than throw them away - meaning it is possible to have a kettle made in Arlington with Wood Dale parts.
Winz
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If the Arlington factory opened in '62 then would those grills in the catalog be Wood Dales or Arlington's? Also, does anyone have the cover to that '62 catalog?
Pure speculation on my part, but I've got to think that there was wood dale inventory in 62 during the transition to the new factory. Unless Arlington was opened in Jan, Feb, or March of 62, I would bet that most of the production was from the Wood Dale factory.
You would think at a minimum, that Weber would use up all the inventory of vents from Wood Dale rather than throw them away - meaning it is possible to have a kettle made in Arlington with Wood Dale parts.
Winz
I think my Wood Dale is one that is from this transition period. Wood Dale vent with wood handles.
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This is from an article from 2002 called the Grill Out Times and Weber comments on the "wooden insulators" being added in 1964.
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii560/redkettle71/Get%20the%20Webers%20Get%20The%20Webers/Scan0005_zpsb72167f62.jpg)
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Info is still good, but you know here at the WKC we are gonna get to the bottom of it.....
Definitely. 8)
If the Arlington factory opened in '62 then would those grills in the catalog be Wood Dales or Arlington's? Also, does anyone have the cover to that '62 catalog?
YOU were the first person I ever saw post that picture! Where did you get it?
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If the Arlington factory opened in '62 then would those grills in the catalog be Wood Dales or Arlington's? Also, does anyone have the cover to that '62 catalog?
Pure speculation on my part, but I've got to think that there was wood dale inventory in 62 during the transition to the new factory. Unless Arlington was opened in Jan, Feb, or March of 62, I would bet that most of the production was from the Wood Dale factory.
You would think at a minimum, that Weber would use up all the inventory of vents from Wood Dale rather than throw them away - meaning it is possible to have a kettle made in Arlington with Wood Dale parts.
Winz
I think my Wood Dale is one that is from this transition period. Wood Dale vent with wood handles.
Totally Agreed....
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This is from an article from 2002 called the Grill Out Times and Weber comments on the "wooden insulators" being added in 1964.
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii560/redkettle71/Get%20the%20Webers%20Get%20The%20Webers/Scan0005_zpsb72167f62.jpg)
Is this the "Traveler" 18, no triangle or ash pan, just three front legs? I might have to mock one up myself - it's such a minimalist kettle. Love it!
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This is from an article from 2002 called the Grill Out Times and Weber comments on the "wooden insulators" being added in 1964.
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii560/redkettle71/Get%20the%20Webers%20Get%20The%20Webers/Scan0005_zpsb72167f62.jpg)
Is this the "Traveler" 18, no triangle or ash pan, just three front legs? I might have to mock one up myself - it's such a minimalist kettle. Love it!
Oh yeah!! I've got a reserve custom cut set of "front legs" to convert either my red MBH or black MTH custom to "Traveler Mode" 8)
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Check out the catalog photo on the far left. It's the same as the '63 catalog but it says "'62" on it. Looks like Weber may have used the same catalog 2 years in a row at least. This could account for why we don't see any photos with the handles turned towards the vent.
Disclaimer: this is speculation, not proven as fact.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/03/u5udaqem.jpg)
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Excellent find Craig. There is evidence that Weber used the same catalog covers two years in a row. Would love to see a copy of the first three. I bet the silver 26" that is "New in '62" is in that catalog.
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Looks like the '62 was a 2-pager. One sold in 2011 on eBay....
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1962-vtg-weber-grill-stephen-catalog-134296060