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Grill Talk => Gas Grills & Electric Kettles => Topic started by: Silvano on February 01, 2019, 07:43:50 AM
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Hello from Italy,
i found this site, looking for some good restoration project and i came across this gem (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-gas-grills-electric-cookers/the-elusive-genesis-5000-restoration-progress-thread/).
I have some question about 5000 series, did it have some point on restoration for grilling use or it may be better look at latest genesis series?
Or better: how much is a 5000 worst that a new one? There is so little info about 5000, about power, smoking capacity, maximum temp etc.
Is it possible use some new (aftermarket) high performance burner, or because of parallel burner, there is no way to update the grill?
Thank you in advance
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Hi @Silvano and welcome to the site!
The 5000 Genesis is a fantastic grill, and if you are able to find one that is in good condition structurally I wouldn't hesitate at all to pick it up. (Especially if you are willing to put in a little work to get it restored). In fact the entire early genesis lineup 1000-5000 were awesome grills that if taken care of will last a VERY long time. Standard wear parts like burners and flav bars are still readily available so no issues there - the key is finding a grill with a good frame with no / minimal rust. That's really the only thing that will kill one of these things :)
An aftermarket burner is not necessary in my opinion as a properly running standard burner with get you up over 500 deg as-is. Swapping in a different burner would likely only cause you headaches and frustration. If anything the newer models may actually run a bit cooler than the old school Genesis unless you opt for a model with the sear station feature to amp things up a notch.
Hope this helps and good luck in your search!
Matt
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Thank you, i found a "good" shape 5000, missing middle glass door, side table and it's unused by 10 years circa. The price is not the best, he would like to have 150€ and, imho, eventually could drop 120€.
So making some calc, with new manifold, grates, flavorizer bars, gas tube with connectors and quality rebuild material (wood/paint) i will easily outmatch 600€.
Restoration work is not a problem, i had some time with sand blasting and high temperature painting (and painting in general).
That why i'm asking for a paragon with a new genesis/spirit, because i could add another 400 and get brand new 3/4 burner. I will mostly smoking and grilling steaks
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Wow i picked up a 5000 a while back and am slowly putting it back together. Mine has a silver lid. I LOVE THE LID!!! is it brown or more of a copper color?
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That’s a super looking grill. I have one I’m restoring and haven’t cooked on it yet but maybe someone here can tell you how it compares to a newer BBQ for steak cooking and basic gas grill smoking. If it’s the same I would definitely take the older Genesis 5000 over the new ones because the classic look is so much nicer in my opinion. Good luck on whatever you do.
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Is the manifold broken or are you switching gas types? Its fairly rare to see the manifold fail and when it does its usually just a broken valve so hopefully you can use the original and save some $$? The glass door will be easy to have made up and you could use vinyl pinstripe to match the original design. The tricky bit will likely be the hardware to hang the door onto the frame as these are no longer available and a fairly unique part. You may need to fabricate a replacement that will do the same job (should't be too difficult).
In terms of cooking it will be VERY similar to a new model Genesis with the exception of the horizontally mounted burner tubes. If anything I find a lot of people prefer this type of design especially if you like to do rotisserie cooking.
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Nice to see it has the serving tray too!
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Yes, i really like the design, new model are a little bit like some industrial kitchen design, and it's not what i like. And i think that 5000 series is like a "piece" of grilling history.
I saw that on new weber, temp gauge is up to 400 Celsius, meanwhile the 5000 is "only" 250°/270°. Is it a thing or the 5000 also could get hotter, or the new gauge is only for demonstration purpose?
And what about the "cooking box" is it same material, i presume that the old model is more heavy? Du you find yourself good with it?
I can't go just to check it, because it's 250km far from me, so if i go, i will buy it=)
I get really good quotation on 410 genesis 2, that why i came here to have some confrontation.
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The 5000 model originally came with 2 thermometers, one for meat and a second for the grill itself. Sounds like they have the meat thermo installed into the lid ;) They both look almost identical other than the face of the gauge itself. [emoji106]
(http://pics.weberkettleclub.com/images/2019/02/02/IMG_0405.jpg)
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Single Suction Stainless Steel for 5-8mm Glass Door Glass Pivot Clamps Door Hinges https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01460J5MS/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_MFLvCb0FP9C3N
Here is some hardware you can try on amazon. Donno the thickness of the glass but you cam use this as a reference when doing a better search
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Thank you for help. About how hot can weber be, i found some information from weber site, referred to new line:
All Weber gas grills are designed to reach 500° - 550° F, with the burners set to high, and the lid closed, after about 10-15 minutes.
So the question is, the new model could reach that temperature up ti 550, as old one? Because the difference between the thermometers are pretty big, new series have 750F and the old genesis 550F.
I saw someone (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-gas-grills-electric-cookers/my-1st-weber-gasser-help-with-id/msg375801/#msg375801) use weber briquettes on gas grill, is that a thing or just a bad diy modification?
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Bad diy. Lol
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Do you have a Weber kettle? Just plain old charcoal will yield great sear temps if that’s your main priority.
I don’t have any experience with those gas grills but I certainly wouldn’t gauge how hot one might get by how high the numbers go on the thermometer lol.
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Do you have a Weber kettle? Just plain old charcoal will yield great sear temps if that’s your main priority.
Yes, i have 2 kettle, one master touch 57 (as avatar) and a performer. That why i decise go with weber on gas (i had some experience with kamado, during summer vacancy, and i had broil king (german webers rival) but i was pretty disappointed.
Thats why i decided go with weber on gas.
I don’t have any experience with those gas grills but I certainly wouldn’t gauge how hot one might get by how high the numbers go on the thermometer lol.
hmmm i'm not sure to understand, the temp on the lid is the most important point of cooking on weber.
Some plate i'm cooking "feeling" the meat, but it's for quick t-bones/fiorentina(but you can start only when it's 600 F on the lid thermometer). If you are doing non direct/slow cooking, the temp is the most important thing on cooking, if you don't want to eat raw/dry meat, but it's IMHO.
That's the point why i would like to have gas, making 7 hours ribs/2 hour chicken/5 hours porchetta, it would be easier to put some chunks in smoker box rather that add briquettes and loosing heat/adding to much heat.
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I’m sure somebody who has used both old and new will speak up and shed some light on this.
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I will chime in here first of all I have a 1000 so its 13 bars like the 5000. You can as a good weber should get to 550 to 600 Fahrenheit on the therm. First of all I don't trust any of the therms on Webers you are not measuring the temps at the grate level. So 550 really is not that accurate because its most likely a lot hotter at the grate level.
But like my performer I have learned to cook by the dome therm so that I can trust it for temps. I also when doing steaks for example use a https://www.thermoworks.com/Thermapen-Mk4 to check a ribeye for example, they go on sale from time to time I got mine for 79 bucks.
On the 1000 I usually start the steaks out providing they are thick indirect so the front burner off and the steaks for maybe 14 minutes then check the temps usually about 115 degrees throw them on the back burners which have been on medium to high so I make sure they are high to get a sear. Should not need once you throw them on the high heat more than another couple of minutes or less on high heat I try to get to 135 but the ends of the steak I use the Thermapen to get to 140 since the middle of the steak will be a lower temp and my wife likes hers a little more well done.
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So it's a good choose to take and restore an old weber 5000 over a new genesis/spirit (same burner number)? In term of performance
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So it's a good choose to take and restore an old weber 5000 over a new genesis/spirit (same burner number)? In term of performance
Gas webers are gas webers. Imo. But the older genesis models are WAY better looking. AND parts are still readily available. You can find all sorts of genisis models from 100 to 5000 for free or next to free. Id rather revive an older work horse then buy a new one
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So it's a good choose to take and restore an old weber 5000 over a new genesis/spirit (same burner number)? In term of performance
This is something that could be debated forever you do the 5000 they are east west burners so if you are into a rotisserie they are way better however and this is coming from somebody who owns a 1000 the north south is way better for indirect in my opinion so a 4 burner newer weber grill if you do a lot of indirect is the way to go and I hate to say that but the 5000 quality compared to these newer grills is far better.
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So i decide to took the old genesis. In term of condition, i think its in very good shape. I will propably use it as it is. Maybe make a full restoration after some time.
Have some question, i would like to change gas hose both side and main. But i dont know where to find part number or aftermarket item, here in italy. Do you have some site with part number
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Ps: in mine is missing the plate with info, like here:
http://pics.weberkettleclub.com/images/2016/08/19/IMG_8745Custom.jpg
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Have some question, i would like to change gas hose both side and main. But i dont know where to find part number or aftermarket item, here in italy. Do you have some site with part number
Here is a link to a schematic for a Weber 5000 (directly from Weber's website). As to whether Weber still has any of the parts, you'll have to call them (800-446-1071).
https://www.weber.com/US/en/help/schematics/browse.aspx?model=252101
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As i thought, it would be a problem have all piece in short amount of time. I have to buy piece by piece, from different sellers.
I find a Hose and Regulator but for 190€ (215$) and i cant understand why the price is so high?
Normal pressure regulator (for bbq or stove) are like 5/6 € in "home depot", why the weber one are special? Or did some one have tech specification for the weber one, so i can take the same but aftermarket?
I think it's 1,5 kg/h but want to have some confirmation, thank you
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Ok, for everyone in future, there is a lot of difference between gas regulator, depending on country. German one, can go up to 50mbar, meanwhile usa standart is 30 mbar. So check your weber befor fitting.