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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: mhiszem on May 31, 2018, 07:48:35 AM
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I just got this in my email. Looks like some great improvements to the Slow N Sear. Looks great @ABCbarbecue !
https://abcbarbecue.com/product/slow-n-sear-2-0/?utm_source=Adrenaline+Rush+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2d8f201d2d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_31_03_38&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_98bec716df-2d8f201d2d-207304526&mc_cid=2d8f201d2d&mc_eid=38ac6c6bcf (https://abcbarbecue.com/product/slow-n-sear-2-0/?utm_source=Adrenaline+Rush+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2d8f201d2d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_31_03_38&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_98bec716df-2d8f201d2d-207304526&mc_cid=2d8f201d2d&mc_eid=38ac6c6bcf)
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I just got this in my email. Looks like some great improvements to the Slow N Sear. Looks great @ABCbarbecue !
https://abcbarbecue.com/product/slow-n-sear-2-0/?utm_source=Adrenaline+Rush+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2d8f201d2d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_31_03_38&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_98bec716df-2d8f201d2d-207304526&mc_cid=2d8f201d2d&mc_eid=38ac6c6bcf (https://abcbarbecue.com/product/slow-n-sear-2-0/?utm_source=Adrenaline+Rush+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2d8f201d2d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_31_03_38&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_98bec716df-2d8f201d2d-207304526&mc_cid=2d8f201d2d&mc_eid=38ac6c6bcf)
Now i wonder since its mostly riveted and not welded will it be cheaper? Or since the water res is now its own peice will it be more?
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It looks like the same price as the plus based on the website.
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No. It looks like the same price, just riveted instead of welded and a removable water pan.
I wonder if the removable pan is really any advantage over leaving the existing pan empty?
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It would make for a slightly larger sear zone
with the water pan removed.
Curious to how it holds up vs. the welded version.
Of course the Weber char baskets seem to last forever
and they're not SS.
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Something about this seems like a cost cutting move. The only advantage to a removable water trough that I can see is a larger sear area if you weren’t trying to set up a 2-zone fire. You’re basically just making a large “Marty basket.” The stainless looks thinner too. I wonder how much it weighs?
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Looks interesting. Supposedly weighs about 1lb more than the SnS+ and uses 16-guage 430SS instead of "heavy-gauge" 304. Also looks like it doesn't have that extra lip like the SnS+ does. I guess it's not needed anymore?
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I'll hand-engrave you a signature limited edition Bigger Better Marty Basket and ship it for half the price of the Gen II S&S! Order now! ;)
Kind of makes me want to get an XL before it changes to this style, but I already have one I'm using that works just fine. Cuz, you know, I'm Marty after all...
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No. It looks like the same price, just riveted instead of welded and a removable water pan.
It's cheaper/easier to teach people how to attach rivets than it is to weld stainless steel.
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No. It looks like the same price, just riveted instead of welded and a removable water pan.
It's cheaper/easier to teach people how to attach rivets than it is to weld stainless steel.
I own a machine shop and I'm pretty sure this is exactly what is going on.
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From the website:
"Can I take out the water reservoir during a low ‘n slow cook so I can hold more coals?
We don’t recommend it. While it’s the perfect place to hold water, the reservoir also functions as a double-wall barrier between the coals and the indirect side of the grill. Removing the reservoir during an indirect cook will create “hot spots” on the indirect zone that would not be present with the reservoir in place."
Is there actually any empirical evidence for this? I really like the basket functionality of the sns but I'm not convinced that I will need the double wall or water reservoir for indirect cooking. @ABCbarbecue
Kudos on the redesign. It looks much better from a mfg standpoint without giving up on quality.
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Looks interesting. Supposedly weighs about 1lb more than the SnS+ and uses 16-guage 430SS instead of "heavy-gauge" 340. Also looks like it doesn't have that extra lip like the SnS+ does. I guess it's not needed anymore?
430 is a lower quality/ cheaper type of ss in comparison to 304. It's a magnetic variety that's more prone to warping under high heat. 430 is also prone to rusting after a prolonged exposure to high temperature, and consequently harder to clean.
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I hope they arent cutting corners just to be greedy and up profit. now just hold your comments, i know its all about making money BUT making high quality products for a very Enthusiastic group of people who are willing to pay for it. Then turn around use less quality ss and rivets to improve ease of assembly and up production. Why not just keep with the 304 ss and rivet if you must cut corners welding ? Again i get the reasoning on a business stand point but still i dont wanna shell out the same amount for an inferior product.
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Kudos on the redesign. It looks much better from a mfg standpoint without giving up on quality.
Replacing 304 with 430 is a big downgrade.
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Talk about entrepreneurialship . . . this guy (https://www.ebay.com/i/123137281932?chn=ps) is making a cool C-Note just for slapping a new shipping label on the box ! ! !
BD
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Then why is the slow and sear 2.0 the same price as the old Slow and Sear plus? If the this is a cheaper steel then why the same price?
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Then why is the slow and sear 2.0 the same price as the old Slow and Sear plus? If the this is a cheaper steel then why the same price?
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More PROFIT!
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Then why is the slow and sear 2.0 the same price as the old Slow and Sear plus? If the this is a cheaper steel then why the same price?
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That’s a very good question. I really think there are some cost/manufacturing variables at play. That said, I would like to see this as a cheaper alternative to the 304 Stainless SNS lineup.
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OK!////////////// @ABCbarbecue . Let us know!
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Lots of good comments here, and I know change is always treated like it's... change. Here are the facts.
I have spent 3 years trying to improve the design of the original Slow 'N Sear, reduce cost, and improve our capacity to manufacture.
Over the last 3 years our costs have continually gone UP though we have kept the price the same.
The Slow 'N Sear 2.0 offers the following improvements:
20% more water capacity in the reservoir
30% more sear zone with the reservoir removed
Reduced ash buildup in the charcoal basket due to an improved bottom plate pattern
Reduced warping due to overbored rivet assembly that allows for flex during high heat cooks
We did make a change to 430 SS, which is a bit cheaper than 304 SS, however, we use the SAME GAUGE of metal, which is what's most critical. Both metals have the same coefficient of expansion when heated and the same melting point. 430 SS actually melts at a little higher temp.
The new Slow 'N Sear has the same 10 year warranty as the old Slow 'N Sear and is made of MUCH higher quality material than the porcelain enabled carbon steel lid and bowl of your kettle. The SnS metal is not the weak link in this equation.
The new design is better and with time I'm confident you're going to love it as much as I do.
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Lots of good comments here, and I know change is always treated like it's... change. Here are the facts.
I have spent 3 years trying to improve the design of the original Slow 'N Sear, reduce cost, and improve our capacity to manufacture.
Over the last 3 years our costs have continually gone UP though we have kept the price the same.
The Slow 'N Sear 2.0 offers the following improvements:
20% more water capacity in the reservoir
30% more sear zone with the reservoir removed
Reduced ash buildup in the charcoal basket due to an improved bottom plate pattern
Reduced warping due to overbored rivet assembly that allows for flex during high heat cooks
We did make a change to 430 SS, which is a bit cheaper than 304 SS, however, we use the SAME GAUGE of metal, which is what's most critical. Both metals have the same coefficient of expansion when heated and the same melting point. 430 SS actually melts at a little higher temp.
The new Slow 'N Sear has the same 10 year warranty as the old Slow 'N Sear and is made of MUCH higher quality material than the porcelain enabled carbon steel lid and bowl of your kettle. The SnS metal is not the weak link in this equation.
The new design is better and with time I'm confident you're going to love it as much as I do.
Very well explained. Sounds like a great product.
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Thank you for the explanation ABCbarbecue and high quality products.
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Lots of good comments here, and I know change is always treated like it's... change. Here are the facts.
I have spent 3 years trying to improve the design of the original Slow 'N Sear, reduce cost, and improve our capacity to manufacture.
Over the last 3 years our costs have continually gone UP though we have kept the price the same.
The Slow 'N Sear 2.0 offers the following improvements:
20% more water capacity in the reservoir
30% more sear zone with the reservoir removed
Reduced ash buildup in the charcoal basket due to an improved bottom plate pattern
Reduced warping due to overbored rivet assembly that allows for flex during high heat cooks
We did make a change to 430 SS, which is a bit cheaper than 304 SS, however, we use the SAME GAUGE of metal, which is what's most critical. Both metals have the same coefficient of expansion when heated and the same melting point. 430 SS actually melts at a little higher temp.
The new Slow 'N Sear has the same 10 year warranty as the old Slow 'N Sear and is made of MUCH higher quality material than the porcelain enabled carbon steel lid and bowl of your kettle. The SnS metal is not the weak link in this equation.
The new design is better and with time I'm confident you're going to love it as much as I do.
I like the idea of a bigger sear zone.
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@ABCbarbecue , thank you for the explanation.
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@ABCbarbecue , thank you for the explanation.
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I’m sold. I’m picking one up.
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@ABCbarbecue Thanks for taking the time to respond. Good to hear it is the same guage.
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Yes, as the others have said, thanks Dave for weighing in. We're a picky and cautious crowd here, but I suspect you already knew that! :)
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@ABCbarbecue , thank you for the explanation.
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Lots of good comments here, and I know change is always treated like it's... change. Here are the facts.
I have spent 3 years trying to improve the design of the original Slow 'N Sear, reduce cost, and improve our capacity to manufacture.
Over the last 3 years our costs have continually gone UP though we have kept the price the same.
The Slow 'N Sear 2.0 offers the following improvements:
20% more water capacity in the reservoir
30% more sear zone with the reservoir removed
Reduced ash buildup in the charcoal basket due to an improved bottom plate pattern
Reduced warping due to overbored rivet assembly that allows for flex during high heat cooks
We did make a change to 430 SS, which is a bit cheaper than 304 SS, however, we use the SAME GAUGE of metal, which is what's most critical. Both metals have the same coefficient of expansion when heated and the same melting point. 430 SS actually melts at a little higher temp.
The new Slow 'N Sear has the same 10 year warranty as the old Slow 'N Sear and is made of MUCH higher quality material than the porcelain enabled carbon steel lid and bowl of your kettle. The SnS metal is not the weak link in this equation.
The new design is better and with time I'm confident you're going to love it as much as I do.
@abcbarbecue
I think that’s a fair explanation. Thank you.
Two more questions:
1) Why rivets? I speculated earlier that it’s easier to employ people that can use rivets rather than those that can weld. Would that be a fair assumption? Is there a design aspect we are missing?
2) Are we to assume that since material cost has played a role in the new design, that the purchase price of the old design will increase to the consumer? Or will the current design be phased out in favor of 2.0’s across the board? If either, I hope we as consumers get a notice and a chance to purchase a few more before any price/availability changes occur.
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Lots of good comments here, and I know change is always treated like it's... change. Here are the facts.
I have spent 3 years trying to improve the design of the original Slow 'N Sear, reduce cost, and improve our capacity to manufacture.
Over the last 3 years our costs have continually gone UP though we have kept the price the same.
The Slow 'N Sear 2.0 offers the following improvements:
20% more water capacity in the reservoir
30% more sear zone with the reservoir removed
Reduced ash buildup in the charcoal basket due to an improved bottom plate pattern
Reduced warping due to overbored rivet assembly that allows for flex during high heat cooks
We did make a change to 430 SS, which is a bit cheaper than 304 SS, however, we use the SAME GAUGE of metal, which is what's most critical. Both metals have the same coefficient of expansion when heated and the same melting point. 430 SS actually melts at a little higher temp.
The new Slow 'N Sear has the same 10 year warranty as the old Slow 'N Sear and is made of MUCH higher quality material than the porcelain enabled carbon steel lid and bowl of your kettle. The SnS metal is not the weak link in this equation.
The new design is better and with time I'm confident you're going to love it as much as I do.
@abcbarbecue
I think that’s a fair explanation. Thank you.
Two more questions:
1) Why rivets? I speculated earlier that it’s easier to employ people that can use rivets rather than those that can weld. Would that be a fair assumption? Is there a design aspect we are missing?
2) Are we to assume that since material cost has played a role in the new design, that the purchase price of the old design will increase to the consumer? Or will the current design be phased out in favor of 2.0’s across the board? If either, I hope we as consumers get a notice and a chance to purchase a few more before any price/availability changes occur.
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Check out the website.
They are selling off the stock of the old ones and they will be discontinued.
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I would encourage anyone to read the faq on the website regarding the new design. It might save some redundancy.
I’m not really in the market for another charcoal holder, but if i were, I like the design changes. In concept at least.
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@ABCbarbecue
I think that’s a fair explanation. Thank you.
Two more questions:
1) Why rivets? I speculated earlier that it’s easier to employ people that can use rivets rather than those that can weld. Would that be a fair assumption? Is there a design aspect we are missing?
2) Are we to assume that since material cost has played a role in the new design, that the purchase price of the old design will increase to the consumer? Or will the current design be phased out in favor of 2.0’s across the board? If either, I hope we as consumers get a notice and a chance to purchase a few more before any price/availability changes occur.
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1) Rivets are faster and yes it's easier to find people that can rivet. It also drastically speeds up production. We literally cannot keep up with demand by welding anymore. Old design is being phased out. This one is superior. Rivets also allowed us to pick where the stress points occur during heat expansion. The new design warps MUCH less 8)
2) The old model is going to be gone soon. No plans to increase pricing.
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I would rather have a properly riveted than a poorly welded SnS. According to welders that i dealt in the past, 430 stainless is not a very good candidate for welding because of its composition. Having said that, the rivets are probably the best option for this product not only in terms of faster and reduced production cost but also for structural reasons. And yes both of my SnS are warped around the inner portion of the water reservoir.
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I would rather have a properly riveted than a poorly welded SnS. According to welders that i dealt in the past, 430 stainless is not a very good candidate for welding because of its composition. Having said that, the rivets are probably the best option for this product not only in terms of faster and reduced production cost but also for structural reasons. And yes both of my SnS are warped around the inner portion of the water reservoir.
Same here. My SnS is warped also. It would be nice if owners of the SnS got a discount on the new model.
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new design looks kickass. I rarely use the water reservoir, so this makes perfect sense for me.
except i have like 3 SNS already and my wife will murder me if i get another
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I would rather have a properly riveted than a poorly welded SnS. According to welders that i dealt in the past, 430 stainless is not a very good candidate for welding because of its composition. Having said that, the rivets are probably the best option for this product not only in terms of faster and reduced production cost but also for structural reasons. And yes both of my SnS are warped around the inner portion of the water reservoir.
Same here. My SnS is warped also. It would be nice if owners of the SnS got a discount on the new model.
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Time for a group buy! ;D
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Don't need one anymore. Had 3 but gave one to my brother as i only use it when doing rotisserie.
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Yeah these “improvements” look like they’re features for the company’s bottom line. Moving away from welding and 304ss just screams cost cutting.
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Product changes always need to benefit maker and buyer in order to be successful. The benefits for S 'n S 2.0 both have already been stated. Choosing to interpret one aspect of the changes (304 is "always better" than 430) screams willful ignorance and irresponsible commentary. Maybe you can additionally post it on Facebook, to complete the cycle misinformation.
The restaurant owner who always has every table filled with customers is failing the business for the same reasons running out of product inventory will kill a business. Excess inventory means you aren't turning customers away. Those opportunity costs grow exponentially.
Will the rivets fail or rust through eventually? With a 10 yr warranty, I doubt if I'd care. By then you'd get a replacement 3.0 or 4.0 version for free. Let's unclench. In the meantime, the 1.0 304 versions warp. Even in official product photos.
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Yeah these “improvements” look like they’re features for the company’s bottom line. Moving away from welding and 304ss just screams cost cutting.
Sure, perhaps they are....so what? @ABCbarbecue has been forthright in explaining why the changes were made. In the end it will be up to us users to determine whether it was a worthwhile change. Costcutting in itself is not a bad thing.
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Yeah these “improvements” look like they’re features for the company’s bottom line. Moving away from welding and 304ss just screams cost cutting.
Sure, perhaps they are....so what? @ABCbarbecue has been forthright in explaining why the changes were made. In the end it will be up to us users to determine whether it was a worthwhile change. Costcutting in itself is not a bad thing.
I’m looking VERY forward to hearing how 2.0 works for folks. :)
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Yeah these “improvements” look like they’re features for the company’s bottom line. Moving away from welding and 304ss just screams cost cutting.
Sure, perhaps they are....so what? @ABCbarbecue has been forthright in explaining why the changes were made. In the end it will be up to us users to determine whether it was a worthwhile change. Costcutting in itself is not a bad thing.
I’m looking VERY forward to hearing how 2.0 works for folks. :)
Send me a new one!!! I'll be happy to compare them ;D
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I was on the fence about buying one before but I like the new design and I just ordered one. I really like the ability to remove the water reservoir for 30% more of a sear zone then the current style. My use is more for searing then low and slow and would not use the water reservoir much anyways. I appreciate that @ABCbarbecue has brought this product to the market for us Weber owners and hope his business continues to be successful for both his family and the employees working there. If this new steel being used can get even close to the 10 years that it's warrantied for I'll be happy.
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For those with a v.1.0, does the warping of the water reservoir affect the functionality (less water?) or is it just aesthetics?
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I have a S’nS Plus 1.0 and it shows the same warping as everyone else and I don’t have any problems with it.
If the water reservoir is warped smaller then we are only talking about tablespoons of water. This in no way changes how it works or the quality of the product.
I personally like the idea of a 1 piece unit and I don’t need the larger sear area. I pick up my 1.0 Plus to shake the ash out the bottom and then pour the left over coals into the chimney for the next cook. I don’t want to deal with the separate water reservoir as I dump the ash and coals .. but that is just my thinking.
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D@mn, I didn't even realize that my old original was warped. I had to get a straightedge out tot make sure.
Based on the products that Dave has been putting out, I'd order one, if my current old one wasn't working so daggone good ! ! !
I am leaning hard towards his new remote thermometer (https://abcbarbecue.com/product/xr-50/) ! ! ! (Thanks, Dave ! )
BD
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Nice Father's Day Present For Me.
It's Going In The Ivory.
Looking Forward To Doing A Video Review :)
@JEBIV you're a good man to suggest this to the wife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1r8Ej_GRCQ