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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: weldboy on August 17, 2017, 01:29:14 PM
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So I purchased a mastertouch for $120 on eBay shipped. Fantastic deal right!? Well it was purchased with a stolen credit card and shipped from lowes to my home. Several other members have made purchases similar to this as well and it has been confirmed by Brian Wesson who called both lowes and eBay. Seller uses the eBay sell to entice buyers with the "to good to be true" low price, he then purchases the grill at full price with the stolen credit card and inputs your address for shipping. Grill arrives and you are none the wiser unless you look at the packing slip. PayPal is essentially being used to launder the stolen money. Stay away from those crazy good brand new Weber deals on eBay. Lowes and eBay are both aware now of what is going on.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170817/d73d7308afbd69782fafedef02a3aa3f.jpg)
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Anytime I see NIB for less than retail I usually don't bite. It could be someone was gifted a grill but I don't give most people the benefit of doubt. Sorry you got scammed and I hope they catch the pricks. Fuck thieves.
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Wow... so then what happens to you? Lowes/Home Depot contacts you and says they want the grill back because the card was stolen.. you're out the grill/$ and the thief walks away with your $120?
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Wow... so then what happens to you? Lowes/Home Depot contacts you and says they want the grill back because the card was stolen.. you're out the grill/$ and the thief walks away with your $120?
yeah this is a weird situation...
i think technically the grill is considered stolen
but I can't imagine Lowe's demanding the grill back or pursuing anything against the OP
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The weird situation is that you as the ebay buyer completed a totally legal transaction but technically the police could show up on at your front door asking you about stolen credit cards. A quick explanation and investigation would clear you.
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Wow... so then what happens to you? Lowes/Home Depot contacts you and says they want the grill back because the card was stolen.. you're out the grill/$ and the thief walks away with your $120?
yeah this is a weird situation...
i think technically the grill is considered stolen
but I can't imagine Lowe's demanding the grill back or pursuing anything against the OP
Hard to say... technically you are in possession of stolen property, right? I guess they could try to go after you. If the police showed up at my door demanding I return the property or I can go with them to the station.. I don't want the hassle and then I'd file a claim with ebay to try to get my money back (which is probably already long gone?). Sticky situation.
In reality.. this happens so often that the police don't have the resources or time to track it down as they probably get 100's of complaints a week/day and Lowes would likely write it off. The thief will likely never be found or prosecuted. Heck the thief is probably in a different country entirely.
I've had my card compromised several times. Nothing happens. The card holder files a police report and a claim with their bank and the charge is taken off. The police don't do anything.. it just gets filed away along with the 1000's of other reports. Not really sure what happens to the vendor.. I guess they are out the money yet their insurance might pick it up..
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Happened to me a few years back, not a fun deal !
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/off-topic/strange-e-bay-buy/msg139973/#msg139973
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Happened to me a few years back, not a fun deal !
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/off-topic/strange-e-bay-buy/msg139973/#msg139973
@sparky
It sounds like an identical scam. So what happened in the end after you were contacted by the sheriff? You said you never heard back since in that thread... was that the end of it?
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That is crazy. Thanks for the heads up.
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Happened to me a few years back, not a fun deal !
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/off-topic/strange-e-bay-buy/msg139973/#msg139973
@sparky
It sounds like an identical scam. So what happened in the end after you were contacted by the sheriff? You said you never heard back since in that thread... was that the end of it?
Never heard back, still have the grill.
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I contacted lowes and gave them all the info I had on the eBay seller. They thanked me for coming forward and is starting to investigate . Was told to contact eBay and make them aware which I did. eBay had closed the seller down already because of this issue. Lowes told me to not worry about the grill and just hold onto the receipt and all emails I had. I bought the grill for $120 from eBay but the receipt showed I ordered it from lowes directly with a cc that's not mine and had shipped. Total was $216 . Looks like I used the stolen card
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This is known as Triangulation Fraud (https://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/triangulation-fraud/)
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eBay removes the seller and they open a new account the same day. There's tons of these on eBay and they have been doing this for years. Any time you see multiple items for crazy prices the sellers always have 0 feedback and are registered a day before.
Now they have started putting a 5-10 day handling period on their listings so they don't have to ship out right away. This allows them time to sell all the items and obtain a stolen card and make all 10 purchases at once.
Does not seem to be going away any time soon.
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If you pay with paypal, can you not just get your money back, especially if you can prove that it is a stolen item?
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This type of scam came up on tool forum I browse with Harbor Freight items (mainly floor jacks and small engines). From what I remember no one on there had their items confiscated after delivery, but some members would have orders canceled once Harbor Freight/eBay would catch on. I wonder how wide spread this problem is.
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If you pay with paypal, can you not just get your money back, especially if you can prove that it is a stolen item?
I experienced this a few months ago and indeed received my money back. What most concerned me was the PayPal response.
"Our investigation is complete and and we have recovered your funds. $980.00 USD has been credited to you. This is the maximum amount we were able to recover. Please allow up to 5 days for this adjustment to be posted.
We regret that you had this experience but hope that you are satisfied with this claim resolution.
Thank you,
Protection Services Department"
The maximum amount was the full amount but it led me to believe I could have lost money, but my fallback would have been to dispute the credit card charges.
The seller was active for over a year delivering product at exceptional value but was indeed a scam.
I'm not sure all good grill deals are scams being I've flipped new Target Webers for some extra scratch myself.
Red
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I was always told, if it's sounds too good to be true it usually is not true.
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I still can't figure out, do you have the grill?
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Curious, why do the scammers go through the trouble of getting an actual grill shipped to you? Why wouldn't they just take your paypal money and run?
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If they don't ship you the item you would report to eBay that you did not receive be item and the money would be taken out of their account. New paypal accounts have a hold on you being able to withdraw money right away, so the scammer needs you to receive the item they bought using the stolen credit card, then enough time passes and they can withdraw their "free" money from their paypal account thus effectively laundering the money out of the credit card into actual cash
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I still can't figure out, do you have the grill?
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Yes I got the grill as did Brian and others. The seller delivers on everything they tell you they will. You're getting the grill at the price they offered it to you. The catch is the buy the grills from lowes with a stolen credit card and ship them directly to you from Lowe's. So eBay is not aware of the fact that the grill is coming from Lowe's and Lowes has no knowledge of the eBay transaction.
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Not awesome. I have a 26er arriving on Monday. Sounds like exactly what went down. I will have to carefully check out the paperwork and report if this is what's happened. I've gone from excited to kinda bummed.
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Stealing credit cards? Why are people so fucked up? I don't get it. They should be shot.
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Stealing credit cards? Why are people so fucked up? I don't get it. They should be shot.
This.
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Just read the post about Ebay, Weber purchases and stolen CC. Order a Weber last week, and YES it arrived from Lowes, and it was paid on a stolen CC. Something told me, don't order!
Tom
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Just read the post about Ebay, Weber purchases and stolen CC. Order a Weber last week, and YES it arrived from Lowes, and it was paid on a stolen CC. Something told me, don't order!
Tom
I contacted lowes and reported it and then eBay to cover me. I was informed after doing so , I would be in the clear and to save all emails and receipts involving the purchase.
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I just got hacked this past week. Hacker used my eBay and PayPal account to order and buy 2 video cameras. I noticed it within 2 hours, changed my passwords, notified eBay, PayPal, and the seller Circuit City-eBay. Seller still shipped the items the next morning to an address in Cocoa FL. So i called the Sheriff's Office over there to give them the address that would be receiving stolen property. They said I had to report it locally first and my local LEO should report it to them. So I filed a local report on Friday. The items are scheduled to be delivered Monday. I'd love it if the Cocoa Police would intercept the delivery, and knock on the bad guy's door Monday with the cameras. I'm not holding my breath though, I have a feeling the bad guys will prevail. BTW it took PayPal about 2 days to declare it a fraudulent buy and replace my money. I hate damn thieves.
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The lesson to be learned here.....NEVER buy a new Weber under any circumstances.
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The lesson to be learned here.....NEVER buy a new Weber under any circumstances.
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So, the grill arrived and is sitting in my office. I'm not really sure where to start. Lowe's? eBay? The only indicator on the packing slip that this is possibly part of an eBay scam is the "BILLING: 3RD PARTY" notation on the UPS shipping sticker. The Lowe's packing slip doesn't have any indicators on it.
My gut says something stinks and I want to do the right thing, I'm just not sure what that is. Yet.
UPDATE: I talked to Lowe's and they basically said thanks for letting them know and there was nothing funny on their end. They suggested I speak with eBay as there is nothing they can do.
I told her about this thread and she says she appreciates the honesty but there's nothing she can do because nobody other than me has said anything. She went so far as to suggest someone had picked up a bunch of grills on clearance and resold them on eBay. Happens all the time, she said. The hell?
So now what? Was it legit? Has nobody noticed a big charge on their card yet? Do I contact eBay anyway? If it was a legit transaction (which I doubt), I'd hate to open an investigation and screw the seller.
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Why can't you get the grill? The Post office won't let you?
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It's here, I just don't want to be part of some scam. From everything I've read, I should be ok but even so, this will always be in the back of my head when I go to light the thing.
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Yeah due to the path of the purchase it is difficult for eBay or lowes to track down the culprit. Not much you can do besides keep track of all the purchase paperwork. The eBay seller has probably already closed their account and moved on
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I knew it! I found this one today on eBay and knew it was too good to be true. Someone needs to step in and stop this kind of stealing!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/253096326522
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It's here, I just don't want to be part of some scam. From everything I've read, I should be ok but even so, this will always be in the back of my head when I go to light the thing.
My gut says that if you wanted to you could order 10 more of those grills and probably get away with it. And I'm not talking in the sense like "try to get away with it ". I just think the scams are so prevalent right now that it would be like chasing a needle in a haystack for them. I would have an issue with anyone who ordered one of these grills knowing it is paid with a stolen credit card but no issue with anyone who ordered one and then figured it out. Lowes and eBay both told Brian and I to keep our grills. Sidenote it looked like one of your posts indicated that you thought they had your credit card. They do not, they have whoever's card number they used to pay for the grill. No one has any of your information except for your address. That's what makes the scam so genius on their end. You are essentially getting stolen goods but with very little paper trail aside from your address. My thought is they expect none of us will ever hear from eBay Lowe's the cops or anyone else about our purchase. Thus we will not spread the word and they can continue doing it. If it had not been for Brian looking at the packing slip and our brilliance ;) I don't think anyone would be the wiser.
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@Weldboy, I'm not worried that they have my card info. Its just my pesky conscience. Had you folks not alerted me today the scams, I probably would've been fat, dumb, and happy with the whole transaction.
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@Weldboy, I'm not worried that they have my card info. Its just my pesky conscience. Had you folks not alerted me today the scams, I probably would've been fat, dumb, and happy with the whole transaction.
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No I feel bad about it too. But...this is why I choose to do business through eBay. Not trying to be a jerk towards them but this is kind of their baby and why I choose to shop through them(buyer protection) I have turned in 11 of the same posts since I bought my grill, yet the scam grills are still up today. If they cannot control it, its just bad business on their part
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From some of the detectives I've talked to in the past (I've had a few credit cards compromised).. there is so much credit card stealing that it's almost impossible to track down as law enforcement simply doesn't have the resources to chase down each and every case. Police simply take a report.. you eventually get a refund from your bank, etc.. and that's it. The thief almost never gets prosecuted as nobody is really after them. How do they get your CC numbers? Most often it's simply someone on the take that handles credit cards... a gas station attendant.. waitstaff on a restaurant.. anywhere that your credit card could leave your sight. They have a pocket swiper and hand over the numbers and get paid. Of course the other method is any of the phishing emails people fall for.. or keyloggers on a PC... or these giant 'hacks' you hear about when a large store gets compromised. Lots of ways.
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How do they get your CC numbers? Most often it's simply someone on the take that handles credit cards... . waitstaff on a restaurant.. Lots of ways.
waitstaff....yep. that is how it happened to me, once upon a time.
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These NIB 26ers, shipped from Lowe's, still keep showing up on ebay. What I don't get is, why is it always a 26? Why don't the scammers try to increase their profit margin by doing it with something costlier like a performer or a ranch or one of the pricy gassers? These too-good-to-be-true deals, offered by first-time ebay sellers, only seem to show up for 26ers.
For that matter, why bother with Weber grills? Why not some expensive power tools?
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These NIB 26ers, shipped from Lowe's, still keep showing up on ebay. What I don't get is, why is it always a 26? Why don't the scammers try to increase their profit margin by doing it with something costlier like a performer or a ranch or one of the pricy gassers? These too-good-to-be-true deals, offered by first-time ebay sellers, only seem to show up for 26ers.
For that matter, why bother with Weber grills? Why not some expensive power tools?
The 26er's are the scam that we are talking about. But I am sure there is all kinds of stuff on ebay that is done the same way. Power tools, tvs, ipads the list is endless.
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These NIB 26ers, shipped from Lowe's, still keep showing up on ebay. What I don't get is, why is it always a 26? Why don't the scammers try to increase their profit margin by doing it with something costlier like a performer or a ranch or one of the pricy gassers? These too-good-to-be-true deals, offered by first-time ebay sellers, only seem to show up for 26ers.
For that matter, why bother with Weber grills? Why not some expensive power tools?
The 26er's are the scam that we are talking about. But I am sure there is all kinds of stuff on ebay that is done the same way. Power tools, tvs, ipads the list is endless.
The MT 22 's are being scammed too. That's what I purchased and ended up being bought with stolen cc with my name and address
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We had a person on the "OfferUp" website, similiar to Craigslist, in the Houston area that was obviously stealing grills. It was the same user and he always had 10 different grills for sale at very low prices. From the pictures it looked like he lived in a small apartment. He has since been removed from OfferUp.
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How do they get your CC numbers? Most often it's simply someone on the take that handles credit cards... . waitstaff on a restaurant.. Lots of ways.
waitstaff....yep. that is how it happened to me, once upon a time.
I always pay cash in restaurants. I know it's probably only a matter of time for me, or any of us, but the longer I delay it the better.
BD
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How do they get your CC numbers? Most often it's simply someone on the take that handles credit cards... . waitstaff on a restaurant.. Lots of ways.
waitstaff....yep. that is how it happened to me, once upon a time.
I always pay cash in restaurants. I know it's probably only a matter of time for me, or any of us, but the longer I delay it the better.
BD
I never carry cash....such is life
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I just got hacked this past week. Hacker used my eBay and PayPal account to order and buy 2 video cameras. I noticed it within 2 hours, changed my passwords, notified eBay, PayPal, and the seller Circuit City-eBay. Seller still shipped the items the next morning to an address in Cocoa FL. So i called the Sheriff's Office over there to give them the address that would be receiving stolen property. They said I had to report it locally first and my local LEO should report it to them. So I filed a local report on Friday. The items are scheduled to be delivered Monday. I'd love it if the Cocoa Police would intercept the delivery, and knock on the bad guy's door Monday with the cameras. I'm not holding my breath though, I have a feeling the bad guys will prevail. BTW it took PayPal about 2 days to declare it a fraudulent buy and replace my money. I hate damn thieves.
Well the bad guys lost this time. UPS/Circuit City required a signature for delivery. I doubt the thieves knew it though as all of the delivery emails came to me. They tried to deliver them 3 times then sent the items back to the sender. A relatively happy ending.