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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: LightningBoldtz on June 05, 2017, 02:53:12 AM
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So, I just got a blue mastertouch and unfortunatly the ash sweep is roached so I have an issue as that ash sweet is key to keeping the bucket on. I know there are mods to solve this but I hate them (just my 2 cents).
Anyway, for those how are CL browser, I know the older early 2000 OTS had those ash sweep on them, I am on a mission to find them and repurpose for the club. Only issue is getting that rusted screw off the bottom without breaking.
meanwhile, until I can do that, my Mastertouch is being demoted to a One touch plus.
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I ahbe tried soaking the screw with kroil oil with a new application over several nights and the screw will slightly turn but still needs to be cutoff...
You dont like the 7444 mod...simply file down the hole? To open up tolerance fir the ash sweep handle
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Usually heat will loosen bolts and screws. With a small hand held bottle torch you should be able to gently heat up the area where the screw goes in. The metal will expand allowing the screw to brake free and turn out.
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let us know how that works out
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I ahbe tried soaking the screw with kroil oil with a new application over several nights and the screw will slightly turn but still needs to be cutoff...
You dont like the 7444 mod...simply file down the hole? To open up tolerance fir the ash sweep handle
Can you fit the bar in there? How do you account for that?
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I had a rusty one the other day it looked worse then it was 5 mins if wd and it came right out. but heat, lots of heat will loosen most stubborn rusty bolts. hot and cold cycles with penetrating lube
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@LightningBoldtz , keep an eye out for late model OTS's …
I had a 2011 (AA code) bought new at Lowe's (my very first kettle), and it had the 7409 sweeps.
I no longer have this kettle as I gave it to a buddy for his 40th b-day.
When I picked up a M-code OT+ a year ago, I applied 3-in-1 oil to the thumbscrew. Let that do its thing.
Then use an adjustable wrench for the hex, and vice-grips on the thumbscrew, and slowly turn.
Then soaked in CLR to remove the rust. Worked out great.
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I'm with @Joetee if oil penatrant doesn't work hit with a propane torch
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I have had luck with turning the kettle upside down on a table and applying penetrating oil to the thumb screw, letting it sit for a couple of days. Take a small hammer and gently tap the thumb screw, alternating the taps to the thumb screw in a clockwise and counter clockwise direction. If you get any movement in the thumb screw, you know you have it beat. Once it starts to move you can increase the intensity of the tapping, continuing to alternate directions. Eventually it will break loose and will then turn by hand. Once the thumb screw is removed, the handle can usually be driven out with a hammer.
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Problem with some rusted thumb screws..is the rust has compromised the inte0grity of the steel..ive had movement with kroil oil but hit s rough spot and further twisting had the screw break in half...
Sometimes...the rust is too far along
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I ahbe tried soaking the screw with kroil oil with a new application over several nights and the screw will slightly turn but still needs to be cutoff...
You dont like the 7444 mod...simply file down the hole? To open up tolerance fir the ash sweep handle
Can you fit the bar in there? How do you account for that?
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Its simple...open up the handle bar hole to account for thickness of the ash catcher bar...
Use metal file and open up the hole vertically...opening up hole tolerance to accomodate the ash catcher bar.
I posted this mod several years ago.
I just modded a 7444 when i restored GA red perforner a few weekends ago.
Use a circular metal file ...takes a few tries as you open up the hole a bit ..then fit...file some more..then fit again...this way you dont open up the hole too much where you have a lot of handle play
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Would have been sweet if they made the 7409 in stainless.
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When dping the file mod...get a full size metal file...any mini files will take a LONG time...also clamp or bench vise the sweep...trying to hold the sweep while filing is too mich energy wasted....it takes time and some hand/arm/shoulder grease to file the hole open
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Link? A picture is worth a thousand words
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@LightningBoldtz
Are you trying to say you need the hub/pivot for a 7409 or the bar?
Do you have the cross bar (that holds the ring up) and blades?
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@LightningBoldtz I'm just curious about what exactly you don't like about the 7444 replacement?
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I don't like the way the ash bucket is secured, additionally I am not a fan of of the new style ash bucket.
I am not OCD but this is an OCD type thing that I have.
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I don't like the new buckets either! Taco, buckets...pretty soon I won't like em at all, I guess. :/
As for securing the bucket w/ the 7444s, is it more a cosmetic thing (you can see clamps/wire) or a cutting the kettle thing?
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I'm trying to figure out what problem you actually solved?
You can't put a 7444 in place of a 7409 in an older performer or a MT without some mods to the ash bucket mounting and the 7444 handle hitting on the old style bucket. I can try to assume you filed the groove that the bar slides through to accommodate the 7444, but that means you attached the bucket to the kettle via one of the many methods\mods that have been presented.
Is that what your trying to say? If you're going to make it fit, why not just change to the newer style bucket and be done with it.
@LightningBoldtz
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You must have posted while I was typing.. You answered most of my observations..
So, FYI, I don't like the Taco Handles or the newest ash buckets.
That's just my preference to it.
I also don't like having to rig something or force it.
I am ok with drilling into a leg socket or using the hose clamp to attach a bucket..
@LightningBoldtz
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If you read my initial thread it was really more of a, to solve the issue with the 1409 ash sweeps I am going to try to acquire One touch silvers from the 2000's and swap those blades out. That is how I solve the problem.
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for now my blue mastertouch will have a 7444 sweep and a rolled ash pan and become a One touch plus.
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Making America great again, One weber at a time!
And I did read your initial thread, but the mod description didn't come through as something that was easily understood.
And like Brain said, pics are worth a thousand words.. You should know by now, this is more if a Visual Group.. Lol
Good luck with he 7409 search, they are out there. Most are toast, but still out there.
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Making America great again, One weber at a time!
And I did read your initial thread, but the mod description didn't come through as something that was easily understood.
And like Brain said, pics are worth a thousand words.. You should know by now, this is more if a Visual Group.. Lol
Good luck with he 7409 search, they are out there. Most are toast, but still out there.
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Thanks dude
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Link? A picture is worth a thousand words
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@zavod44 dont have pics...pm me your email address and i will draw a sketch and email it to you.
Afterwards feel free to upload it here...
Sorry but uploading pics here is too cumbersome of a process for me...i need the attach button simplicity to upload pics
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I'm trying to figure out what problem you actually solved?
You can't put a 7444 in place of a 7409 in an older performer or a MT without some mods to the ash bucket mounting and the 7444 handle hitting on the old style bucket. I can try to assume you filed the groove that the bar slides through to accommodate the 7444, but that means you attached the bucket to the kettle via one of the many methods\mods that have been presented.
Is that what your trying to say? If you're going to make it fit, why not just change to the newer style bucket and be done with it.
@LightningBoldtz
Modding the 7444 sweep for the ash cat her bar presents zero problems with the older style ash rings and pan..ive done this to several older style performers.
You are only opening up the hole of the ash sweep a few centimeters...there is plemty of tolerance in the ash ring handle slot to have the sweep handle sit a few centimeters lower.
There are zero mods required for the ash ring and bucket...its only modding the 7444 ash sweep.
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I drew a sketch of the mod..any member whom will pm their email address..i will email the sketch and they can upload here into this post...
Tks
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Per @toolhead post above:
Sketch and pic of @toolhead red performer with modded 7444 ash sweep installed...no mods to the ring or pan.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170607/fcfc014311cded0335cb23c189565689.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170607/5fca658a27a195a12ffd6ff422e3141a.jpg)
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@mhiszem thanks.
Its a very simple mod..just takes a bit of muscle burn..bc it usually takes several attempts where you fit the ash sweep back onto bowl and see how much more filing you have left...given you dont want to open the hole up too much else you get unwanted play on the ash sweep handle.
The ash sweep is a bit harder than you would think to file ..given you have to file both holes of the ash sweep bracket hole for this mod...kinda increases the filing difficulty level.
I use a full size round metal file and file both holes at the same time
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Going to try this on a 1998 Performer. Could not free the original thumb screw as it was already broken off and the sweeps are locked up on the bent support bar so I really have no other option but to grind the the handle off. Do you use the ash bar along with the bottom disk that comes with the new 7444 sweeps? If so what is the arrangement. In my mind working from the top down under the bowl it would be kettle, ash bar, Disk with the H cutout, then handle to hold it all up. Any advice will be greatly appreciated, and I will try to take pictures for future reference.
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@Seth1025 ..sorry ..didnt see your post until now.
just open up the holes as pictured...7444 has to oval brackets iwth hanlde holes....open up both at 6pm mark to allow for ash catcher bar to fit.
top to bottom...bowl..ash bar..slide in handle....
toss the h bar disc...its useless with this mod.
to remove rusted old 7409 ash sweeps..just cut the tusted ash sweep handle to remove...i use dremel eith fiberglass cutoff discs.
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Still scratching my noggin
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So, I just got a blue mastertouch and unfortunatly the ash sweep is roached so I have an issue as that ash sweet is key to keeping the bucket on. I know there are mods to solve this but I hate them (just my 2 cents).
Anyway, for those how are CL browser, I know the older early 2000 OTS had those ash sweep on them, I am on a mission to find them and repurpose for the club. Only issue is getting that rusted screw off the bottom without breaking.
meanwhile, until I can do that, my Mastertouch is being demoted to a One touch plus.
I know everyone has there own way of overcoming this problem, most are way too involved and only work so so. When I picked up my curb sale MT I had to put new sweeps in her. I removed the ash catcher bracket, installed new H style sweeps and reattached the ash catcher with three stout zip ties. Nice solid attachment, easy, and doesn't look like crap. It never gets too hot on that part of the grill for the zip ties. If you look closely at the picture you can see them.
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