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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: demosthenes9 on February 27, 2016, 08:27:51 PM
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about a completely new grill / product being introduced by Weber in April ? Can't say where I heard it from, but that is all they would give me.
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Weber Kamado, anyone?
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Probably something boring run by gas.
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No no. I have read about a Ranch WSM comming out . Available only in Yellow
And only for the US market!!!!
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I haven't heard anything but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a new rebranded thermometer line. Didn't Weber buy igrill?
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I wish Weber would come out with a gas smoker. With the overwhelming demand for gas over charcoal and the popularity of smoking, seems like a logical move for a new product?
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Weber Kamado, anyone?
I have long thought this to be a good move to grab a share of the bbq market Weber is not in. Tonnes of folks will buy it just because it is a Weber......folks like us. Darn thing is for many applications the Kettle would still be better.
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No no. I have read about a Ranch WSM comming out . Available only in Yellow
And only for the US market!!!!
That would look like a can of Penzoil.
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I know this is coming out in April
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Weber have bought i devices
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26 Performer
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26 Performer
No, no, a ranch performer with a one touch system!
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@demosthenes9
Yes. Teaser will be released sometime in March.
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@demosthenes9
Yes. Teaser will be released sometime in March.
Thanks @harris92. Almost sounds like you know more details..... Care to share ? ;D
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It's March now.
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http://www.bbqs.com/all-products/bbq-s-charcoal/top-secret.html
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26 Performer
It would be about time, especially since the weight of the 26.75" kettle is too much for the same sized legs and sockets as the 22.5" uses. It would also be cool if the sweepers and vents were also proportional to the bowl like with the 22.5". Or it should come with a little dust pan broom like the one that hangs on the back of mine.
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March tease of a lifetime 8)
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@demosthenes9
Yes, SOME.... :o
@demosthenes9
Yes. Teaser will be released sometime in March.
Thanks @harris92. Almost sounds like you know more details..... Care to share ? ;D
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http://www.bbqs.com/all-products/bbq-s-charcoal/top-secret.html
I really hope this isn't another new product in Canada but not here in the states. That video sucked by the way! ;) I was just waiting for the smoke to clear...keep rewatching it hoping it will end differently at some point!!!!! LOL
A 26 performer would be amazing, but I can't imagine it costing less than $600 which is a bit pricey.
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It's the new Weber Solar Grill !
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Only available in clear in the U.S.
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I'm thinking they must have pissed off the Weber lawyers or something. The video is no longer anywhere to be found.
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Possibly found. PM sent. Not gonna get me in trouble. :-X
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Ya, @MikeRocksTheRed , that video does / did suck …. It was available this morning, but not now as mentioned by @macmanjpc .
Just be patient … We will see in about a month from now. Something awesome for a gasser !!!!! … :o ??? ;D ;D ;) ;) If it is, who cares?? IMHO :P
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The entire "Top Secret" product page is gone now too. Thinking they weren't supposed to have said ANYTHING! LOL.
PM me if you think you know what it is.
The "Top Secret" product page and video were listed in the "Charcoal BBQ" section on the bbqs.com site so I'm not thinking it has anything to do with gassers. WSMs are not listed in that product category either.
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Since Webeer probably won't sell it in the US, does it matter? )-:
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Guys, clearly the new product is this "BRUSH WITH REPLACEABLE TWISTED-IN-WIRE BRISTLE ASSEMBLY", patent filed Jan 28, 2016. http://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/app/20160022020
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Guys, clearly the new product is this "BRUSH WITH REPLACEABLE TWISTED-IN-WIRE BRISTLE ASSEMBLY", patent filed Jan 28, 2016. http://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/app/20160022020
Good idea but that's already available for sale... http://store.weber.com/accessories/category/clean/1531 (http://store.weber.com/accessories/category/clean/1531)
This teaser points to a launch on April 6th.
Here's a screen cap of the email I got this morning...
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I'm guessing something like this from some stuff I've read.
http://images.hayneedle.com/mgen/master:CG060.jpg
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What was in the teaser?
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29" Smokey Joe Maybe? No couldn't be already out :o
https://peoria.craigslist.org/spo/5471715803.html
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@pbe gummi bear the teaser was just a shot of some trees and billowing smoke, as in what should be coming off a grill/smoker (though it looked more like lighting a chimney of KBB)
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@demosthenes9
encrypted message. LOL :)
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I'm thinking that do to the utter disdain for the taco handle, it will be replaced April 6th, with a pita pocket handle.
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Call me a pessimist, but for some reason, whatever it is, I expect it to appeal to the masses and not the niche Weber kettle collector guys.
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I'll guess 26" WSM.
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Suspense is killing me..
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I'm guessing something like this from some stuff I've read.
http://images.hayneedle.com/mgen/master:CG060.jpg
I think that would actually be a good move. I gas grill with a charcoal/smoking option. It would be a good way to bring gas users into the world of charcoal!
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A teaser of the teaser
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I think it's a Wishing Well Pellet Kettle :)
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I'm guessing a gas smoker.
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I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the Pit Barrel Cooker. I can't see Weber coming out with a drum cooker, but you never can tell. PBC is growing in popularity and Walmart supposedly is selling them now.
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@demosthenes9
encrypted message. LOL :)
N Code gas assist go anywhere for sale
@harris92 Thanks !!
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Maybe, just maybe, all the smoke represents the kettle color Smoke. Maybe the next teaser will be pieces of slate, then images of spring, then Ivory this & that. Colored Master-Touch? Fat chance I know!!!
I'll take a 26" OTG in Smoke, instead please!!!
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Someone just posted this over at BBQ Brethren.
https://www.facebook.com/allthingsbbq/videos/10153479272308947/
Is this the same vid that was posted earlier here but got taken down ??
Im guessing insulated Kamado style kettle with gas assist. Or a pellet pooper?
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Hinged lid and pellet hopper on the right hand side in that video? We know it's not gas but it could be pellet. Pellet grill with integrated I grill interface would be very interesting. I know the pellet pitch is its a smoker AND a grill, just like the pitch in that video.
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Someone just posted this over at BBQ Brethren.
https://www.facebook.com/allthingsbbq/videos/10153479272308947/
Is this the same vid that was posted earlier here but got taken down ??
Im guessing insulated Kamado style kettle with gas assist. Or a pellet pooper?
Nope. That's a new one! Good find. Similar style video and same voiceover. Definitely looks like a pellet pooping kettle!
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Someone just posted this over at BBQ Brethren.
https://www.facebook.com/allthingsbbq/videos/10153479272308947/
Is this the same vid that was posted earlier here but got taken down ??
Im guessing insulated Kamado style kettle with gas assist. Or a pellet pooper?
Not the same video but interesting. Some sort of Egg, WSM, Kettle combo maybe??
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There is a lot smoke there and the guy seems to be playing with his food................
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That certainly looks like a hopper on the right hand side, most pellet grills those are on the left .
Looks like half a 22" WSM mounted on a cart with a pellet hopper , probably 2- 3 racks inside for smoking , everything up high and easy to use. Big door in front ? Im geeked out I know that much !
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the Pellet Performer Gold
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A pellet Weber would be extremely interesting:
I think the pellets and kamado segment is growing faster than charcoal and proprane grills so Weber might want to capitalize on that.
My gut feel is that a pellet Weber would have a cheaper bill of materials than a gasser while simultaneously requiring less labor to assemble.
Pellets would give Weber another source of recurring revenue.
Weber has a larger distributor network than Traeger so they could pull exclusivity at numerous nationwide retailers.
Recent iGrill purchase could allow for integrated wireless control.
Pellet grills are more expensive than propane grills (generally speaking) so they are also presumably more profitable.
I'm extremely intrigued.
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I'm praying for the colored Mastertouch.
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I'm feeling like it must be a kamado. If you look at the lid about 9 seconds into the video, it looks pretty thick and it's raised up on its own power. Then the audio of smoking for 10 hours but first grilling a steak for breakfast...that sounds like the selling point kamados keep on trying to make to people that they can do everything. A couple thoughts if this is the case:
First, a kamado is cool, but knowing how much a Big Green Egg costs, I'm assuming it would be priced about the same. I've always thought the biggest selling point of Weber is that it does 90% of what a kamado does for essentially 10% of the price.
Second, if it was a kamado, just curious if it would undercut the WSM in any way.
Third, I feel like Weber is continuing to somewhat marginalize the original kettle business. Once again, I understand as they are a business trying to meet consumer demand and maximize their profit, but it bums me out a bit.
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I considered it being a Kamado but to me that doesn't make much sense for Weber. Kamado production is nowhere near as scalable for production as sheet metal components- which Weber has over 60 years of in house experience. Kamado's would require a difference porcelain curing line as their dimensions and weights are totally different than other products. A Kamado would cook less food while simultaneously being more expensive than a kettle or WSM. I'm thinking the teaser looks like a brand new product similar to a Weber q with a cast domed lid (which Weber is also very good at), cart base, and controller(?) on the right.
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Everyone keeps mentioning Kamado...isn't Kamado just a brand of egg style cookers? And doesn't weber already have the BGE in many different sizes?
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I'm feeling like it must be a kamado. If you look at the lid about 9 seconds into the video, it looks pretty thick and it's raised up on its own power. Then the audio of smoking for 10 hours but first grilling a steak for breakfast...that sounds like the selling point kamados keep on trying to make to people that they can do everything. A couple thoughts if this is the case:
First, a kamado is cool, but knowing how much a Big Green Egg costs, I'm assuming it would be priced about the same. I've always thought the biggest selling point of Weber is that it does 90% of what a kamado does for essentially 10% of the price.
Second, if it was a kamado, just curious if it would undercut the WSM in any way.
Third, I feel like Weber is continuing to somewhat marginalize the original kettle business. Once again, I understand as they are a business trying to meet consumer demand and maximize their profit, but it bums me out a bit.
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Everyone keeps mentioning Kamado...isn't Kamado just a brand of egg style cookers? And doesn't weber already have the BGE in many different sizes?
I stand corrected as I have been informed that Weber doesn't make the BGE. I would have lost money betting on that one. Ya learn something new every day! Thanks @MrHoss for setting me straight!
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Frankly, it looks like a 22 WSM with a hinged lid and pellet hopper. Basically, they're taking mods people already do and incorporating them into standard production. Buuuuuut, I guess we'll all find out together. Except Harris, who already knows.
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OK! Not a kamado! Good to know!!! :)
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The kamado market is flooded as is the pellet market quite frankly. You have to look at what weber is built to do and that's metal work not ceramics. Then if you factor in the by out of idevices , I'd say a digitally controlled pellet grill / smoker that's easy to use and tech friendly would be the best guess. Traeger has been on the decline for a number of years , they don't protect their dealers and the quality has diminished greatly with the outsourcing of parts overseas.
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I considered it being a Kamado but to me that doesn't make much sense for Weber. Kamado production is nowhere near as scalable for production as sheet metal components- which Weber has over 60 years of in house experience. Kamado's would require a difference porcelain curing line as their dimensions and weights are totally different than other products.
You have to look at what weber is built to do and that's metal work not ceramics.
Kamado style cookers don't have to be made of ceramic. Double walled sheet metal with insulation in between ala Char Grill's Akorn.
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I considered it being a Kamado but to me that doesn't make much sense for Weber. Kamado production is nowhere near as scalable for production as sheet metal components- which Weber has over 60 years of in house experience. Kamado's would require a difference porcelain curing line as their dimensions and weights are totally different than other products.
You have to look at what weber is built to do and that's metal work not ceramics.
Kamado style cookers don't have to be made of ceramic. Double walled sheet metal with insulation in between ala Char Grill's Akorn.
Great point but essentially what this is doing is building a double walled, insulated wsm. Cool, but I wouldn't put money on it being the next product.
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I considered it being a Kamado but to me that doesn't make much sense for Weber. Kamado production is nowhere near as scalable for production as sheet metal components- which Weber has over 60 years of in house experience. Kamado's would require a difference porcelain curing line as their dimensions and weights are totally different than other products.
You have to look at what weber is built to do and that's metal work not ceramics.
Kamado style cookers don't have to be made of ceramic. Double walled sheet metal with insulation in between ala Char Grill's Akorn.
Great point but essentially what this is doing is building a double walled, insulated wsm. Cool, but I wouldn't put money on it being the next product.
Someone over at BBQ Brethren linked to a 2 year old post on this very topic and this little bit was quoted in it:
“Sooner or later, the big boys are going to get into it,” Bobby Brennan, the president of Kamado Joe, said recently. “If Weber doesn’t make one soon, somebody in their strategy department needs to get fired.”
Weber thinks otherwise. “We have been carefully researching ceramic outdoor cookers,” said Michael Kempster, an executive vice president of Weber-Stephen Products, “and while they have a small and enthusiastic following, most outdoor grilling enthusiasts find them too expensive and too complicated to use.”
Perhaps Mr Kempster changed his mind?
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I went down the dark Kamado path for a while and I kind of agree with Kempster. It's a ton of money for not much real estate and getting to the coals is a pain in the ass. Granted for winter cooking it's nice to cook on something so well insulated but you still need to dig them out of the snow. My Weber on the other hand, I can pull in and out of the garage, no problem.
Full disclosure, I do still have a mini-egg only because I got a really good deal on it and it's just fun to say I have an egg. But unless Weber can make a reasonably priced Kamado, I'll stick with my kettles. Hell, who am I kidding? Slap a Weber label on it and I'll probably buy one. ::)
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i haz a curious.
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My prediction. Kamado that's combination charcoal/gas. Has a way to easily regulate the temperature (pellet?) Will be part of the Summit family and price will be around $1400ish.
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If Stephen says "NO", I am not betting against him.
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That. So not guess gas or kamado.
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It doesn't look like a Kamado style cooker to me. If you look to the right of the guy, there is something reflective that looks like part of a chrome grill grate that is typical of the style Weber produces. You can clearly see this is in close proximity to the edge of the cooker. This close proximity would rule out the thickness that is a Kamado type cooker.
That box on the right has some sort of dial or control on it. I'm guessing this thing is a variation of a WSM and that box on the right is either a pellet box or an ATC device? The lid is definitely hinged.
The fact that the announcer mentions cooking a steak for breakfast suggest the speed and convenience of gas? My original guess of a propane WSM might not be too far off the mark?
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the Pellet Performer Gold
aka Pellet Performer WSM Gold ;D
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Weber is introducing their new cleaning system thats replacing the current one-touch sweeper blade and handle design to a no-touch design. Its electric powered by a on-board biomass generator that runs a motor, and/or another small device, that spins a bunch of razor blades around and simultaneously polishes the bowl of the kettle. They're calling it the 604 cleaning system.
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Hinged lid and pellet hopper on the right hand side in that video? We know it's not gas but it could be pellet. Pellet grill with integrated I grill interface would be very interesting. I know the pellet pitch is its a smoker AND a grill, just like the pitch in that video.
That's what I thought when I saw the video. There are third party pellet addons for the WSM, so maybe they're trying to build that up. I know it was said it's not a Kamado, but non-ceramic solutions like the Akorn work very well. I love mine.
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based on the teaser video(commentary and visuals), i'm gonna say it's some sort of pellet poopin kettle. probably with a hinged lid and possibly a side table. and maybe propane assist in some way(quick gas grillin ala weber q style) using the 1lb'er connections/controls that come on the performers.
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based on the teaser video(commentary and visuals), i'm gonna say it's some sort of pellet poopin kettle. probably with a hinged lid and possibly a side table. and maybe propane assist in some way(quick gas grillin ala weber q style) using the 1lb'er connections/controls that come on the performers.
Yes, I haven't been keeping up with it like y'all but a Weber pellet grill would make a lot of sense. They're getting more and more popular and with good reason. They're versatile, convenient, and provide the smoke flavor that only a live fire can provide, but keep the smoke clean for you automatically. They don't come cheap, though.
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I have been out of touch for a while but got the email from Weber this morning. I am excited either way to see what they come up with. Maybe it will be something revolutionary...
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I just got an email from Weber - on April 6 they are releasing more info about what is called the Summit Charcoal Grill.
If you get their recipe of the week you probably got the same email. Will be interesting to see what this turns out!
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Weber just sent out an email...eluding to a new grill model being released...
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Maybe a double 22.5" bowl performer in apple red???????
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I just got an email from Weber - on April 6 they are releasing more info about what is called the Summit Charcoal Grill.
If you get their recipe of the week you probably got the same email. Will be interesting to see what this turns out!
Calling it a Summit makes me think it's going to be expensive.
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I just got an email from Weber - on April 6 they are releasing more info about what is called the Summit Charcoal Grill.
If you get their recipe of the week you probably got the same email. Will be interesting to see what this turns out!
Calling it a Summit makes me think it's going to be expensive.
Yep.
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i'm going to laugh my ars off when it's only available in blaik.
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i'm going to laugh my ars off when it's only available in blaik.
That's funny I never even thought of it actually coming in a color. I guess I'm getting programmed by Weber.
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bright red should be a logical choice by weber in my opinion.
brand identity, red is the brand color, they should identify it as such going up against the BGE.
something old and something new, so to speak. a way to connect this new offering with the brand identity.
but what do i know about marketing? pfft. ;D
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Charcoal - :D
pellet - no
I just got an email from Weber - on April 6 they are releasing more info about what is called the Summit Charcoal Grill.
If you get their recipe of the week you probably got the same email. Will be interesting to see what this turns out!
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Summits are stainless, no color.
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Actually you can get black Summits.
http://www.weber.com/grills/series/summit/summit-e-420
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Next week, Authorized Dealers be
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Cause Demos be
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Interesting stuff!!!
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I admit I haven't read the whole thread. Have you guys seen this video?
https://www.facebook.com/allthingsbbq/videos/10153479272308947/
It looks like there's a box on the right side of the grill. Probably some kind of smoker attachment.
It's funny how much bad white smoke is in that video. All marketing. There's no way anything that guy is cooking would taste like anything but an ashtray with all that smoke, but it looks cool, right?
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encrypted message. LOL :)
N Code gas assist go anywhere for sale
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I feel like that lid in video shows thick gasket rim like kamado but Weber won't go ceramic. I see insulated double wall steel grill/smoker Ala Weber broil keg
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Based on the video it's round. I don't get the association with the Summit name used in the gas line. But my guess is that the money people are sick of watching the BGE folks taking stupid money from eager buyers and that they want a piece of that $1000 cooker market and it's ridiculous margins.
Just a guess, but that's mine.
"Lifetime"- Ceramic as opposed to metal.
Again, a guess.
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If they want a piece of the high end kamado market it will be ceramic, because a double steel walled kamado, ala Akorn, isn't going to fetch that kind of price. The Summit name would seem to imply the ceramic version to me.
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A high end charcoal grill? In the U.S.'s gasser-dominated world? Wow.
I can see it now, endless forum threads abut how folks' $20 craigslist kettle is just as good. No, better actually.
Summit? I'll take a stainless steel kettle if they're offering. That would be badass.
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A high end charcoal grill? In the U.S.'s gasser-dominated world? Wow.
I can see it now, endless forum threads abut how folks' $20 craigslist kettle is just as good. No, better actually.
Summit? I'll take a stainless steel kettle if they're offering. That would be badass.
Omg a stainless kettle would be so bad ass!!!
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Impossible to clean though.
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Over in the FB kettle group (which I have learned that while many of you are in there, not everyone over there is on this forum, but I digress) a Weber employee squashed the 26 Performer, iGrill rebranding, and Colored kettle ideas. He did not loop back on the new gas grill or weber kamado suggestions.
I'm betting some sort of kamado. We have to remember that weber is owned by a venture capital firm now. Those vultures don't care about dink other than profits. If they think that there is money to be made in that segment I can see them going for it.
I just don't think that weber fans are any more inclined to buy a $1k charcoal grill than people who think the BGE is overpriced.
If they come out with one similar to the akorn and price it accordingly, they might have a winner.
If they try to go against the BGE, I predict it goes the way of Trump Vodka.
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If they come out with one similar to the akorn and price it accordingly, they might have a winner.
That's my guess.
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Going with a double wall steel cooker and stressing build quality, they will do well against chargrill.
Try to compete with the ceramics, especially at that price level, would be disaster imo.
It would be as bad of an idea as VW thinking they could release a premium auto to compete with Mercedes Benz when they already own Audi. (the terrible Phaeton) .
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Whatever it is, it's making WAY too much white smoke. ;-)
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Whatever it is, it's making WAY too much white smoke. ;-)
Cut the guy in the vid some slack, it's his first time using it😂
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Whatever it is, it's making WAY too much white smoke. ;-)
Cut the guy in the vid some slack, it's his first time using it😂
Ha! That's funny.
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If they come out with one similar to the akorn and price it accordingly, they might have a winner.
If they try to go against the BGE, I predict it goes the way of Trump Vodka.
That is what I think it will be, only better quality - Weber's porcelain coating, maybe with a gas assist starter (there does appear to be a knob of some kind under what looks like a side table to me), double walled, insulated, running around the price that a Big Steel Keg did. I MIGHT buy one of those. Anything in the neighborhood of a BGE and I'll pass as I can't justify spending that kind of money when I can put it as good, or better, food on my 26" kettle and have TONS of money left over for additional toys (and meat).
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If they come out with one similar to the akorn and price it accordingly, they might have a winner.
If they try to go against the BGE, I predict it goes the way of Trump Vodka.
That is what I think it will be, only better quality - Weber's porcelain coating, maybe with a gas assist starter (there does appear to be a knob of some kind under what looks like a side table to me), double walled, insulated, running around the price that a Big Steel Keg did. I MIGHT buy one of those. Anything in the neighborhood of a BGE and I'll pass as I can't justify spending that kind of money when I can put it as good, or better, food on my 26" kettle and have TONS of money left over for additional toys (and meat).
I truly hope they haven't made a kamado style grill. They just aren't good smokers. Ribs cooked on my kettle w/SnS kick my Big Green Egg ribs any day of the week.
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I think it will be a pellet grill with a WSM bottom and a hinged 22 kettle top. Just deep enough to be able to place two cooking grates. I doubt full ceramic, and am leaning towards either just like kettle and WSM's or possible some sort of double walled metal with the standard kettle/wsm finish. Most likely on a performer type cart to make it easy to move around. Small performer table on one side, pellet hopper on the other side, thus the need for a hinged lid since both sides are blocked as far as hanging a lid.
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How can it be a pellet if they're calling it a "charcoal Summit"? Nope, don't believe it will be a pellet.
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April 6th my dealer will have one so I will be checking out what ever it is. If it's not something non gas that can do long cooks then I will be getting something that will
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the 2016 dealer catalog (PDF))
file:///C:/Users/Brian/Desktop/2016%20Standard%20Catalog.pdf
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the 2016 dealer catalog (PDF))
file:///C:/Users/Brian/Desktop/2016%20Standard%20Catalog.pdf
I don't think this link is going to work.
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@BC - you can email the file to matt@weberkettleclub . com and I can post it up if you like... Thanks!
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"Summit Charcoal Grill" ... now they've got my attention! Can't wait to see this thing...
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Do a Google search on 'Weber 2016 dealer catalog'. First result I get is a link from Jim Melka Landscaping. That will start the pdf download.
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@BC - you can email the file to matt@weberkettleclub . com and I can post it up if you like... Thanks!
Done!
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the 2016 catalog has been floating around, there's nothing crazy in there
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You're right - the new surprise is not listed in the 2016 book 😞
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That catalog was probably done 9 months ago, no way to include a suprise product and keep secret that long.
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My local Weber Alliance dealer stated they will have one on display on the 6th. I may have to call in sick to work. LOL.
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My local Weber Alliance dealer stated they will have one on display on the 6th. I may have to call in sick to work. LOL.
That's a Wednesday. I'm off!
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Watched the video again in higher quality. It's clear the stainless steel box on the right has an igniter. Perhaps the box is a self contained gas assist igniter. The box could allow the closer placement to grill but protect the propane canister from the heat of the grill.
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Great pic, @CharliefromLI !
I think I see a gasket …. ?? Perhaps a hinged lid ??
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Looking at that picture. It's a Kamando type double wall pellet pooper..
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If it is a pellet grill we are looking at least a $850 price point
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You guys are the greatest. Maybe it's a dual burner with a grill burner/chip smoke pan and an infrared side burner and rotisserie. Stainless will cause wallet pain. You know it's going to be hard to beat George's classic kettle. He could grill a steak at 6 in the morning and slow smoke a brisket for ten hours. The simple Kettle is gonna reign supreme. Just 1 special run a year of original kettles in some cool color like YELLOW! or glen blue or brownie. You could add what accessories you wanted. Bracket mount it to a Performer cart. Drop it an electric element. We aren't helpless we just can't bake porcelain. Take pre-orders thru their dealers so whoever wants one can get one. Set up an enamel gun with the special color and run SJ's, JJ's, 18's, 22's and 26's, even ranchers if someone has a fat wallet. Oh well, in some other alternate universe. I'll prolly be at some outdoor section on the 6th with the rest of Y'all, checkin the new gizmo out.
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Great pic, @CharliefromLI !
I think I see a gasket …. ?? Perhaps a hinged lid ??
That was my first thought as well.
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Looking at that picture. It's a Kamando type double wall pellet pooper..
Strictly a guess, but I think double walled but not pellet. They're calling it summit charcoal and Agee insiders already said not pellets.
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Double walled would increase efficiency. Might be the ticket for a cook in low temperature breezy weather.
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Double walled CHARCOAL grill with touch and go gas assist. I assume that's just a built in shelf on the right side. I'm kind of scratching my head at the marketing sense of this.
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What if it's the gasket on the top of a, what for it, ceramic kettle. I mean, "really" ... SJ
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Im sticking with my original guess that the money people at Weber are looking at BGE and Kamado Joe $1000+ Units and want to grab their share of the growing ceramic market.
They're in business. They know if they slap the beautiful Weber badge on a well built product that it will sell. They can produce ceramic cookers for very little money compared to what BGE and KJ units sell for and with the legions of Weber fanatics will be chomping at the bit to buy the next best thing from Weber. If it is, Can you imagine how many kettles and performers will appear on Craig's list this spring/summer?
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I can't see Weber bringing anything out that would spell the end of the kettle. That would be like Cuisinart getting out of Food Processors or Milwaukee getting out of reciprocating saws. If it is a ceramic or pellet smoker, it would just be another addition to their growing line of products.
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New product category: grill that comes with dude to cook for you. Owners will soon complain they're tired of seeing the same damn gray t-shirt every day. Wives will then offer interesting clothing suggestions related to such the themes as "construction worker," "lumberjack" and "fireman."
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I can't see Weber bringing anything out that would spell the end of the kettle. That would be like Cuisinart getting out of Food Processors or Milwaukee getting out of reciprocating saws. If it is a ceramic or pellet smoker, it would just be another addition to their growing line of products.
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To most guys that have used a kettle a lot, buying a kamado style cooker isn't going to make them sell their kettle. While the ceramic cooker might be easier to get better chicken skin, it's really not quite as versatile or foolproof. However, I'm still not sure it's good business sense for Weber to sell one ...unless their's is going to fill a niche not already being filled. That's why I guessed a double walled steel charcoal grill with a gas assist for lighting the lump. This thing is NOT going to be cheap if that's what it is.
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Whatever it is, if it comes in colors, I'm game...
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What would be a grill of a lifetime ? The ease of gas and flavor of charcoal , maybe this thing is the performer taken to next level , a dual threat gas and charcoal grill ?
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Wonder if we could figure it out with a patent search? I would virtually guarantee that with all this fuss, there's some unique innovation there somewhere they've already locked up.
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What would be a grill of a lifetime ? The ease of gas and flavor of charcoal , maybe this thing is the performer taken to next level , a dual threat gas and charcoal grill ?
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That's another possibility because I know the gas/charcoal grill/smokers have been big sellers, at least here in the south. So far all subpar quality though, from what I've seen...ie Char-griller.
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Wonder if we could figure it out with a patent search? I would virtually guarantee that with all this fuss, there's some unique innovation there somewhere they've already locked up.
Maybe, but it's likely they're just keeping up with the competition.
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Just looking at it from a business point of view.
Weber dominates the mid to higher end gas grill market.
They also dominate the charcoal grill market but price point is much lower .
They have no entry in the high end charcoal grill market , mainly ceramic kamodo's
It's a big market , that the well to do casual outdoor cooker has a Green Egg as a status symbol
Summit charcoal grill carries the con nation of highest end of Weber line.
I'm guessing a metal insulated kamodo with ? Gas assist ? In the $500-$750 price range.
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This just came over my Instagram. More teasing-
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hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Found new photo on Twitter:
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Silhouette shows more of shape: kind of WSM kettle hybrid maybe?
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I can't believe these things have already been in production and a photo hasn't leaked.
Looking like a kama do. Only question in my mind is ceramic or not. I'm sticking with ceramic
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If it's ceramic the terrorists win.
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if it's glen blue i'm ordering one.
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"The new Summit Charcoal grill comes only in vintage Weber Kettle colors."
We'd all just lose our shit right there.
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if it's glen blue i'm ordering one.
God forbid they offered it.
Actually rumor has it they will only be offered in Glen Blue in Canada and have a device attached so upon crossing the border to the US they spontaneously combust.
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From a marketing perspective my guess they only offer black for the first couple of years so the Weberheads that are already lined up to buy one"no matter what it is" purchase them, then three years from now offer them in different colors and get all those same buyers to re-up
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Nah, they don't do anything for collectors. They offer colors that sell in a given market.
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A reliable source has informed me that Ken Kesey and Bid Daddy Roth headed the design team.
shhhhhh
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A kettle-kamado hybrid w/ gas assist.
The Weber KetMado....KaMettle....Kemado....Webado :o
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The lid looks similar to the Q lid.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/how-to/g111/balcony-bbq-we-test-5-hot-outdoor-electric-grills/?zoomable
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Assuming it's a Kamado style cooker( and who knows if it really is)
What would be your guess for what it would be made of?
A company from Georgia with not a ton of Instagram followers just started following me that makes ne out of cast iron-
http://www.goldenscastironcooker.com/
Then the obvious ceramic.
Some people seem to keep saying double walled.
Does anyone think they could make one from the same material as the PK cooker?Aluminum?
My guess remains the ceramic but how many of you would rule out or include other materials?
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Found new photo on Twitter:
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Silhouette shows more of shape: kind of WSM kettle hybrid maybe?
Kamado. Only question is, metal or ceramic? I'm going metal.
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If it is a kamado style, I'm thinking Metal. My company has been making more steel for Weber in the past 5-6 months than we normally do. I'm gonna guess a hybrid between a kettle & a kamado with a double walled steel construction.
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April 6th is the release date. They have sent out emails to everyone that is signed up with them. If they would make a 26" performer i would flip! Doubt it though. Can't wait!
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Bottom left corner, looks to have a standard kettle leg.
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Leg actually looks to come off the side of the bowl. Like a "nest". Also, look at the lid vent.
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Based on the video from the Weber FB page, I would say it looks like it is an insulated metal grill and it has some sort of gas attachment as well. The box on the right side has a Summit style knob on it.
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I'm diggin' the Summit knob. Wondering why none of us have yet modded a Performer to somehow us one.
The lid's shape definitely seems to be a combination of kamado dome and Weber dome, like partway in-between that says, "We wanted to make this style but obviously it needs to look somewhat like a Weber and not like a Green Egg."
One thing's for sure, with only 11 pages in this thread no one's interested in it. :)
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One thing's for sure, with only 11 pages in this thread no one's interested in it. :)
Because it will be YEARS before they start showing up cheap on CL and most of us are a bunch of cheap bastards ;D
That being said, if it is the right product, I would consider selling off some of my grills to finance the purchase of one. I like the idea of a kamado style smoker/grill with a built in gas starter. If thats what it ends up being, then I could certainly see one in my future. It would have to be one serious heavy hitter for me to sell off my performer and 26" OTG though
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I still think it will have a much higher price point. Around $1400 FWIW, I think it will be closer to the XL Big Green Egg in size.
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Kamado with One Touch Sweeps? Who do I give my money to?!?!?
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Wait- could this mean the 22.5" wsm is getting phased out?
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I still don't think it's going to have the capacity of a 22 WSM since its still just one grate.
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Because it will be YEARS before they start showing up cheap on CL and most of us are a bunch of cheap bastards ;D
Welcome to my world :)
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Kamado with One Touch Sweeps? Who do I give my money to?!?!?
Wow, you just named the product!
KamadoTouch
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:D :D
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I don't see the 22" WSM on my Weber distributors website for 2016 ....interesting
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It's still in the 2016 catalog:
http://www.jimmelkalandscaping.com/Common/PDFs/Custom/JM/2016%20Standard%20Catalog.pdf/ (http://www.jimmelkalandscaping.com/Common/PDFs/Custom/JM/2016%20Standard%20Catalog.pdf/)
I don't see that going anywhere anytime soon, even as their selection expands.
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Its a ceramic grill with a sidesaddle microwave, no fuel needed, just nuke some chips for smoke ...
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I still think it will have a much higher price point. Around $1400 FWIW, I think it will be closer to the XL Big Green Egg in size.
I highly doubt it'll be quite that expensive, but maybe you're right. This is what I was thinking it would be and I bet it'll be a big hit.
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Its going to be a transformer grill, when you push a button on the side box it transforms itself into a complete outdoor kitchen with a swimming pool on one side, a playground on the other and a bar & grill in the middle.
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Why is it not April 6th yet???
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I highly doubt it'll be quite that expensive, ...
There's no such thing as an "inexpensive" Weber Summit. I don't expect the lack of gas-cooking to change that here.
Although, if it were a combo gas and charcoal grill/smoker/thing that would pretty much freak everyone's shit.
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I highly doubt it'll be quite that expensive, ...
There's no such thing as an "inexpensive" Weber Summit. I don't expect the lack of gas-cooking to change that here.
Although, if it were a combo gas and charcoal grill/smoker/thing that would pretty much freak everyone's shit.
Ok. I looked them up and just had Summit sticker stock. [emoji15]
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Holy $hit - I was just told the msrp on the new smoker is $2000 CAN base model with an upgraded model that $2500 :o :o :o
Now I REALLY want to see this thing!
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Now i'm not sure if I WANT to see it ... but um yeah them's Summit Prices!
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Holy $hit - I was just told the msrp on the new smoker is $2000 CAN base model with an upgraded model that $2500 :o :o :o
Now I REALLY want to see this thing!
WOW
what's that in Aussie dollars
$5,000 fark
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Yea big dollars!
It is a Kamado/bge style cooker if my source is correct. Sounds like double walled with air gap...
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$2500? Holy jeebus. That's incredible.
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It'll be interesting, that's for sure.
If that price is correct or even close to being correct it's not even a consideration for me.
It makes me happy that I won't have any buyers remorse with the new Crimson Kettle I have in the box in the basement.
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It makes me happy that I won't have any buyers remorse with the new Crimson Kettle I have in the box in the basement.
Whoa right there, bud. You've crossed the line. We NEVER discuss who or what's kept boxed up in the basement!
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Won't be seeing one in my backyard any time soon, if that's true.
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That's the Weber we all know and love. All about the money.They build what they think we need to buy. We are lucky the charcoal kettles are the cheaper end of the line. I think they should poll this forum because we are a good cross section of the grilling population. Nah, we're fanatics!
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At this point, it isn't about us. It's about sucking money from the "foodies" that need to have the latest, greatest gadget.
As for polling this forum... that's a complete waste of time. Most of us are complete cheapskates that will burn 100 bucks worth of gas to drive around and find a 30 yr old kettle for 30 bucks, then bitch about a new weber kettle for 150 bucks. Problem is, it's not Weber's fault. They made a good product many yrs ago that works fantastic. It's hard to improve on that. Sure, new colours, different handles... etc, etc.
Unfortunately, we are probably less than 1 or 2 percent of the market. The vast majority are gonna go to Home Depot, Lowe's or Walmart and buy a black kettle, whether the original, premium, or perhaps a performer... and then go home and cook some burgers or dogs...that's it. And that group is probably a small percentage of those that will just buy a cheap gasser...
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My bet is a redefined kettle similar to the Charbroil Kettleman. The few screenshots of the Weber teaser video look very similar to the Charbroil POS, including the lid style and leg configuration. I can't imagine Weber would launch a new product line with such a high price point. Of course, just my opinion after a few tasty beverages this evening.
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At this point, it isn't about us. It's about sucking money from the "foodies" that need to have the latest, greatest gadget.
As for polling this forum... that's a complete waste of time. Most of us are complete cheapskates that will burn 100 bucks worth of gas to drive around and find a 30 yr old kettle for 30 bucks, then bitch about a new weber kettle for 150 bucks. Problem is, it's not Weber's fault. They made a good product many yrs ago that works fantastic. It's hard to improve on that. Sure, new colours, different handles... etc, etc.
Unfortunately, we are probably less than 1 or 2 percent of the market. The vast majority are gonna go to Home Depot, Lowe's or Walmart and buy a black kettle, whether the original, premium, or perhaps a performer... and then go home and cook some burgers or dogs...that's it. And that group is probably a small percentage of those that will just buy a cheap gasser...
This has to be one of the most reality based posts I've seen on this forum in years. It wasn't fun reading, but was 100% the unfortunate truth. Well done Darko!
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Holy $hit - I was just told the msrp on the new smoker is $2000 CAN base model with an upgraded model that $2500 :o :o :o
Now I REALLY want to see this thing!
That's westerner money, yo.
At this point, it isn't about us. It's about sucking money from the "foodies" that need to have the latest, greatest gadget.
As for polling this forum... that's a complete waste of time. Most of us are complete cheapskates that will burn 100 bucks worth of gas to drive around and find a 30 yr old kettle for 30 bucks, then bitch about a new weber kettle for 150 bucks. Problem is, it's not Weber's fault. They made a good product many yrs ago that works fantastic. It's hard to improve on that. Sure, new colours, different handles... etc, etc.
Unfortunately, we are probably less than 1 or 2 percent of the market. The vast majority are gonna go to Home Depot, Lowe's or Walmart and buy a black kettle, whether the original, premium, or perhaps a performer... and then go home and cook some burgers or dogs...that's it. And that group is probably a small percentage of those that will just buy a cheap gasser...
Great post!
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Thanks everyone.
Alas, that is what it is. Reality sucks.
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This is what you are referring too. Floated out there on another site.
I work here as a BBQ sales rep:
www.thebbqshop.com
Early last week our rep showed us the video run down of what Weber is announcing on April 6th. If you're a charcoal lover, I'm confident you'll be excited.
Weber is going after the high-end / premium charcoal market (Green Egg, Primo, etc.)
It is NOT ceramic. It is NOT a pellet grill. This is done the "Weber" way.
Pricing - $1,999CDN / $2,499CDN depending on the model that you choose.
If this works anywhere as good as they say, I haven't been this excited for a Weber grill in a long time.
Holy $hit - I was just told the msrp on the new smoker is $2000 CAN base model with an upgraded model that $2500 :o :o :o
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Now I REALLY want to see this thing!
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At this point, it isn't about us. It's about sucking money from the "foodies" that need to have the latest, greatest gadget.
As for polling this forum... that's a complete waste of time. Most of us are complete cheapskates that will burn 100 bucks worth of gas to drive around and find a 30 yr old kettle for 30 bucks, then bitch about a new weber kettle for 150 bucks. Problem is, it's not Weber's fault. They made a good product many yrs ago that works fantastic. It's hard to improve on that. Sure, new colours, different handles... etc, etc.
Unfortunately, we are probably less than 1 or 2 percent of the market. The vast majority are gonna go to Home Depot, Lowe's or Walmart and buy a black kettle, whether the original, premium, or perhaps a performer... and then go home and cook some burgers or dogs...that's it. And that group is probably a small percentage of those that will just buy a cheap gasser...
One of the best, most accurate posts I have read. Very insightful.
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This is what you are referring too. Floated out there on another site.
I work here as a BBQ sales rep:
www.thebbqshop.com
Early last week our rep showed us the video run down of what Weber is announcing on April 6th. If you're a charcoal lover, I'm confident you'll be excited.
Dang! [emoji50]
I looked around on that website and I haven't even heard of most of those grills.
I will never complain about the price of Craigslist kettles again.
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@jcnaz, Did you notice that the Weber Charcoal Kettles were last seasons colors ??? Did you also notice that they still advertise, as new in box, the #7409 !!! SJ
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This tease was just posted by Weber on Facebook.
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This tease was just posted by Weber on Facebook.
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Hey it turns out I already have one of these G.O.A.L.'s!
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@Jeff's G.O.A.L.
This is a project that I've been working on here and there for the last 4 months or so.
I was trying to think of a creative name for it, but I guess Stainless Steel Super Smokey Mountain with gas assist will do (SS SSM). I was lucky enough to have a custom sprayed 22" WSM shell offered up to me. The color is burgundy. Basically its a WSM center section and lid, matched up to a gas ignition Performer bowl, onto a stainless Performer table.
Some of the upgraded areas included a Cajun Bandit stainless steel door, addition of a high temp Nomex gasket behind the Cajun Bandit Door, and on the top of the center section where the lid rests on. Also replaced the original WSM door latch with a new compression style latch. With this latch, and the Nomex gasket, this door is super tight and leak free. A nice upgrade to probably what was the weakest link of the WSM. Lastly, what project would be complete without a nice set of Brian's (Zavod's) custom handles?!
Special thanks to a friend that was generous enough to offer the custom shell up.
Thanks to Brian for having an SS Performer cart at the right time in amazing condition to use, and a sweet set of handles.
A huge thanks to RR for a super generous gift in parts to get me close to finishing this project up.
Here are the photos. Hope you all enjoy them. You will notice the first bunch of photos were taken out of the direct sun, the last bunch were taken with the sun out.
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@SixZeroFour's G.O.A.L
For some time now I have wanted to custom build a WSM cart out of performer frame, but wanted to do something special rather than just bolt it together and be done with it.
Well, after some planning, testing and tweaking I have finally come up with my own personal dream smoker 8)
Modifications:
- New Style Ash Catcher Assembly
- 3M DiNoc Carbon Fibre Wrapped Front Plate
- 2015 Metal Performer Table
- Lid Bale Deleted and Capped with Acorn Nuts
- Added Lid Handle With Hooks
- Rear Legs are UNMODIFIED! kettle legs - only painted and bent to the shape of the leg
- Added a reinforcing sleeve over the rear axle to keep the legs at the correct distance and prevent flexing
- The new Black Maverick 733 also arrived just in time
On to the pictures because that's really what you want to see anyways 8)
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I just realized... What if it has a taco handle?
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Hey it turns out I already have one of these G.O.A.L.'s!
Jeff's G.O.A.L.
SizZeroFour's G.O.A.L
I got it one piece at a time
And it didn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around.
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I just realized... What if it has a taco handle?
That would be the least of my "worries" about it.
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Another teaser shot with a little better view of the lid:
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That lid vent looks very robust... I wonder if it has a built in temp controller?
Also if the two models are $500 apart, perhaps two sizes?
Guess we'll find out in just over a week. And how cruel is this, it drops the day after my b-day.... Weber you are evil, with perhaps a little bit of genius mixed in :o
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This tease was just posted by Weber on Facebook.
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$149 + $399 + $399!
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That lid vent looks very robust... I wonder if it has a built in temp controller?
Matt it's only built up that way because each one is constructed from vintage, stacked small-tab lid vents culled from donor Westerners.
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Was just thinking, if this is a Summit Charcoal 10000LX (for example) for $2K or $2.5K, then there should still be room in the lineup for ...
VIELUXE Charcoal
from the brochure:
"VIELUXE comes with a new and complete, token kamado grill that you immediately throw away. Weber Charcoal Kiln Accessory sold separately. Also, you have 3-year and 5-year lease options."
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Matt it's only built up that way because each one is constructed from vintage, stacked small-tab lid vents culled from donor Westerners.
lol
I just found a leaked image of the new cooker. Looks like @Winz has been on the design team and holding out on us this whole time.
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;D ;D ;D
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I'd say you're right, and the optional nitro bottle supposedly makes it cook faster than a microwave. The built in Maverick and sat TV service are both welcome niceties, but what the heck is the gopher doing?
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Is that a Gerbil in the ash ?
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@Idahawk Technically speaking, I think it's a Gerbil "sweeping" the ash w/ a small broom :) ;D SJ
PS Why so many identical post(s), Why so many identical post(s), Why so many identical post(s), Why so many identical post(s), Why so many identical post(s) ???
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Yea , sorry about all that ^ had a wonky moment with tap a talk
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I just found a leaked image of the new cooker. Looks like @Winz has been on the design team and holding out on us this whole time.
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;D ;D ;D
I like the neon brake calipers. hopefully the rotors are drilled/slotted as well.
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This just in: Weber's big reveal will be authentic reproductions of @Winz 's hat. I'll take two.
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Riced out hot rod. I kinda like it, but missing the big aluminum wing.
Fusion is all the rage, right?
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This just in: Weber's big reveal will be authentic reproductions of @Winz 's hat. I'll take two.
Believe me, you can get about 16 lbs of pork butt inside that size 8 container....
Winz
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Bet you anything the $1500 version is without a table and the $1750 version comes with a table and/ or basket storage
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@jbenavidez2 would you bet your Ivory MT?
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My money's on an 18" and a 22" version 8)
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My money's on an 18" and a 22" version 8)
This is my horse.
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I don't know about the 18. Home Depot stopped carrying the 18 completely and weber stopped making 18's with "gold" ash catchers. My guess is all 22" with different table options.
MAYBE there would be an outside chance of 26, as all the gas summit grills have more cooking space then the non summit grills and typically the summit name = bigger.
I am praying these prices of 1500 + are wrong as I don't see ever paying that. If it was in the $800 range was and truly a do it all large grill/smoker I could see selling some of my current webers to consolidate.
7 more days and we'll find out
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I will guess that the basket is for holding larger pieces of wood versus charcoal. Maybe they will have a larger firebox that will accept firewood.
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OK, so what we know right now is this.
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Most of the guesses in the Facebook group are betting on pellet. When I suggest kamado style like we have been speculating almost since the beginning, they laugh. That group is so much different than here. Almost totally different cultures.
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Most of the guesses in the Facebook group are betting on pellet. When I suggest kamado style like we have been speculating almost since the beginning, they laugh. That group is so much different than here. Almost totally different cultures.
Not sure which group you are referring to but I just joined one of the FB kettle pages and the "knucklehead" percentage is definitely higher there then here. It just shows this site and a few other Q sites are really the gold standard for the Internet. The people here are smart friendly and willing to help with out judgement. That's rare. Seeing some other groups but was just a reminder how good we have it...
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The Weber Kettle Fans public group. Definitely a different crowd sometimes. I've seen guys get criticized for buying Mavericks, Vortex, SnS and other accessories. I've even seen charcoal baskets bashed.
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Yeah there's a little more criticism there. I feel like there is a bit more "live and let live" here.
There is one other thing that I see there which is people marketing their own product without disclosing their affiliation. I love that people have created there own Kettle products and are trying to grow their businesses, just disclose so the reader has all the info.
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Yeah there's a little more criticism there. I feel like there is a bit more "live and let live" here.
There is one other thing that I see there which is people marketing their own product without disclosing their affiliation. I love that people have created there own Kettle products and are trying to grow their businesses, just disclose so the reader has all the info.
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There's definitely a lot of spam, and a whole lot of ignorance.
The non-weber related groups are even worse.
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
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I think you have a good point about that. Transparency is always a good thing.
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
I think it would be nice if those groups let us join them using our business page. That way it'd be obvious who we are. I disclose as often as I can when I post something that promotes the SnS, but it gets tiresome! I've got to where I just don't fool with the groups much.
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
I think it would be nice if those groups let us join them using our business page. That way it'd be obvious who we are. I disclose as often as I can when I post something that promotes the SnS, but it gets tiresome! I've got to where I just don't fool with the groups much.
I think that's a facebook thing isn't it? Pages can interact with other pages, but pages can't join groups.
I am sometimes amused by the groups, but it's really not a great place for community.
Same questions over and over again. Fat cap up of fat cap down?
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@abc I agree. You should be allowed to post as your company. You have a good product Space from everything I see and you should promote it. Same goes for any other products that are sold.
It should just be noted accordingly. I wonder if the issue of not allowing you to post as your company is a Facebook issue or an issue with the group itself?
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The weber facebook page has a picture of it kind of . It will be released on April 6
I'm sticking with my rebuilt SS performer. But I will be looking at it on the 6th
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Yeah it's a Facebook limitation, and I'm sure they have their reasons, but at least for the barbecue communities it'd be better if we could post as our company.
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
I think it would be nice if those groups let us join them using our business page. That way it'd be obvious who we are. I disclose as often as I can when I post something that promotes the SnS, but it gets tiresome! I've got to where I just don't fool with the groups much.
I think that's a facebook thing isn't it? Pages can interact with other pages, but pages can't join groups.
I am sometimes amused by the groups, but it's really not a great place for community.
Same questions over and over again. Fat cap up of fat cap down?
@Troy - How many times have you, David and I posted the link for how to clean a grill. I did see recently the admin requested not posting links to other sites, so I have stopped since then. That facebook group does have some good info in it, I just wish people would take the time to read through some past posts, or use the files section to post links there to commonly asked questions. I posted a link to a good Brisket post on that group in the files section hoping others would add to it, but no dice. Oh well.....it's not a bad group and I pickup so new tricks every once in a while....but WKC is definitely where its at!
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
I think it would be nice if those groups let us join them using our business page. That way it'd be obvious who we are. I disclose as often as I can when I post something that promotes the SnS, but it gets tiresome! I've got to where I just don't fool with the groups much.
I think that's a facebook thing isn't it? Pages can interact with other pages, but pages can't join groups.
I am sometimes amused by the groups, but it's really not a great place for community.
Same questions over and over again. Fat cap up of fat cap down?
@Troy - How many times have you, David and I posted the link for how to clean a grill. I did see recently the admin requested not posting links to other sites, so I have stopped since then. That facebook group does have some good info in it, I just wish people would take the time to read through some past posts, or use the files section to post links there to commonly asked questions. I posted a link to a good Brisket post on that group in the files section hoping others would add to it, but no dice. Oh well.....it's not a bad group and I pickup so new tricks every once in a while....but WKC is definitely where its at!
Yeah the whole "don't post links" thing happened after someone talked smack about the WKC and I stepped in to defend. They got butthurt and whined to the admins, calling all of us some elaborate 'spam ring' - which is funny because I rarely post WKC links (only when its very specific and relevant)
I won't mention any names, since this guy has already sent me a bunch of (completely bogus) legal threats.
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For what it's worth, I'll throw in my .02.
I hope it's not a kamado style cooker at the high price as rumoured. Many many years of trial and error have gone in to making quality ceramic kamados...grant it some do it better then others. Now I don't have one due to their price point but my research tells me metal knockoffs aren't the same as ceramic so why try. Weber has a good product so why try and enter a market that's been pretty well owned by other companies for decades especially for the same or more money. Just keep doing what you already do so well...maybe make all your products available in all countries would turn some good revenue.
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For what it's worth, I'll throw in my .02.
I hope it's not a kamado style cooker at the high price as rumoured. Many many years of trial and error have gone in to making quality ceramic kamados...grant it some do it better then others. Now I don't have one due to their price point but my research tells me metal knockoffs aren't the same as ceramic so why try. Weber has a good product so why try and enter a market that's been pretty well owned by other companies for decades especially for the same or more money. Just keep doing what you already do so well...maybe make all your products available in all countries would turn some good revenue.
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FWIW, gas and charcoal grills were around before George hit on his good idea with the kettle and another one with the Genesis line. That someone else "owns" a market niche shouldn't preclude Weber (or anyone else) from going there.
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@ Lumpy Coal. Won't happen simply because it doesn't work enough to make it profitable. It's all to do with distribution. Home Depot or Lowes or Walmart don't want a bunch of SKU's. If they order 10,000 units, they want all the same so it's easy to move. As I said before in another thread; You and I don't matter. Sure we like Webers, but we ain't gonna make money for them. Black makes money!
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
I think it would be nice if those groups let us join them using our business page. That way it'd be obvious who we are. I disclose as often as I can when I post something that promotes the SnS, but it gets tiresome! I've got to where I just don't fool with the groups much.
I think that's a facebook thing isn't it? Pages can interact with other pages, but pages can't join groups.
I am sometimes amused by the groups, but it's really not a great place for community.
Same questions over and over again. Fat cap up of fat cap down?
@Troy - How many times have you, David and I posted the link for how to clean a grill. I did see recently the admin requested not posting links to other sites, so I have stopped since then. That facebook group does have some good info in it, I just wish people would take the time to read through some past posts, or use the files section to post links there to commonly asked questions. I posted a link to a good Brisket post on that group in the files section hoping others would add to it, but no dice. Oh well.....it's not a bad group and I pickup so new tricks every once in a while....but WKC is definitely where its at!
Yeah the whole "don't post links" thing happened after someone talked smack about the WKC and I stepped in to defend. They got butthurt and whined to the admins, calling all of us some elaborate 'spam ring' - which is funny because I rarely post WKC links (only when its very specific and relevant)
I won't mention any names, since this guy has already sent me a bunch of (completely bogus) legal threats.
Can I mention names??? ;)
I noticed the instance I think you are talking about and replied that my experience here was completely different and that the WKC was what led me to discover their group. He wasn't impressed. Not sure what happened to him that was so bad, but I just moved on and let that discussion pass on down the line.
On another note, I think forums are a far better format for sharing, searching and archiving information. Facebook is good for some interesting posts here and there, but I don't care for the format when it comes to searching for specific information.
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Again. Promote your product. That's the American way, just disclose your affiliation. Plenty of guys promote products here but their signatures indicate the affiliation, Facebook it's just a name and unless you know them you're flying blind. There's a ton of new people discovering BBQ these days, I'm a noob like they are, and they're looking for advice and they're getting sold without knowing it sometimes which doesn't seem right to me. Maybe it's just my opinion.
I think it would be nice if those groups let us join them using our business page. That way it'd be obvious who we are. I disclose as often as I can when I post something that promotes the SnS, but it gets tiresome! I've got to where I just don't fool with the groups much.
I think that's a facebook thing isn't it? Pages can interact with other pages, but pages can't join groups.
I am sometimes amused by the groups, but it's really not a great place for community.
Same questions over and over again. Fat cap up of fat cap down?
@Troy - How many times have you, David and I posted the link for how to clean a grill. I did see recently the admin requested not posting links to other sites, so I have stopped since then. That facebook group does have some good info in it, I just wish people would take the time to read through some past posts, or use the files section to post links there to commonly asked questions. I posted a link to a good Brisket post on that group in the files section hoping others would add to it, but no dice. Oh well.....it's not a bad group and I pickup so new tricks every once in a while....but WKC is definitely where its at!
Yeah the whole "don't post links" thing happened after someone talked smack about the WKC and I stepped in to defend. They got butthurt and whined to the admins, calling all of us some elaborate 'spam ring' - which is funny because I rarely post WKC links (only when its very specific and relevant)
I won't mention any names, since this guy has already sent me a bunch of (completely bogus) legal threats.
Can I mention names??? ;)
I noticed the instance I think you are talking about and replied that my experience here was completely different and that the WKC was what led me to discover their group. He wasn't impressed. Not sure what happened to him that was so bad, but I just moved on and let that discussion pass on down the line.
On another note, I think forums are a far better format for sharing, searching and archiving information. Facebook is good for some interesting posts here and there, but I don't care for the format when it comes to searching for specific information.
We're probably better off leaving names out of it :)
And I totally agree on the forum/group thing. Forums are great for discussing things and refining knowledge amongst the community. No one in the facebook groups learns or adapts, hell, half of the people don't even pay attention to the conversations. Even if they did, each topic only lives for about a day and then its buried.
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Facebook is getting to the point where it drive me nuts. It's devolved into click-bait and downright nastiness between complete strangers.. Makes some of the old AOL chatrooms look like choir practice. And some of those were bad back in the day. The Weber Kettle Fans FB page (unlike WKC) is definitely like your typical Internet group/forum. People with no filter, telling you your food looks gross, etc. I just kill them with kindness and not fall into their troll traps....
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Kinda feel like this thread is diverging into two different conversations. Perhaps a new thread discussing Facebook groups, etc. could be cleaved off this one?
Cheers!
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Kinda feel like this thread is diverging into two different conversations. Perhaps a new thread discussing Facebook groups, etc. could be cleaved off this one?
Cheers!
I think you are correct. I think the rumors and leaks on the new grill are going slow and we're all just killing time :) 6 more days...
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All these leaks are killing me!
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Worst thing is, I'm working Days on the 6th.
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In two weeks are we going to have a new category below the WSM for the new grill?
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In two weeks are we going to have a new category below the WSM for the new grill?
not likely, unless a lot of folks here pony up the dough to get them new, which(given that most of us are on budgets) probably won't happen
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Ever since around p.15 when I click to see posts I've missed in this thread, it takes me to the post after the one it should have taken me to. Only happens in this thread. Weird.
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Yep, looks like a double walled porcelain coated Kamado to me.
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Maybe the outside walls will be a 26" kettle and the inside walls will be 22". I really can't see hem getting away with a standard 18.5" cooking grate like the bge
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In two weeks are we going to have a new category below the WSM for the new grill?
not likely, unless a lot of folks here pony up the dough to get them new, which(given that most of us are on budgets) probably won't happen
We probably won't even be able to afford the used ones on Craigslist.
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Just like I have no desire to buy a BGE for over $600 I won't sweat not having any other outdoor cooking device that is over $600 after using my Kettles and Smokers.
If money were no object that would be a different story
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I'm starting to think the higher priced one might be a full stainless model with the lower priced one being enameled. That last photo looks like stainless steel to me.
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I'm still waiting to here back from the seller. Weber smoker Smokey Summit - $800 (Marietta):
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/for/5517857519.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/for/5517857519.html)
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I'm still waiting to here back from the seller. Weber smoker Smokey Summit - $800 (Marietta):
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/for/5517857519.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/for/5517857519.html)
Well that is intersting as hell!!!! Sounds like this grill is going to need to be plugged in.
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Holy moly!!
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April Fools!
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it's going to be epic.
but will it do everything/anything better than a good ole 22?
probably not.
will it put weber in a market they don't have any share of yet?
solidly.
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$1500 grill with another $5 theromometer
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$1500 grill with another $5 theromometer
LOL !
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"low" is just under 400?
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Anyone else notice the grey shaded area between 225-275 degrees?
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It's being marketed as a grill/smoker I im sure that grey line area is marked smoke.
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It's blaik.........
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I have heard (from a reliable source) that it is a 24", double walled kettle with a removable heat deflector that will be available as a standalone or in a performer platform. Apparently the kettle is a bit deeper so the coals will be futher away from the cooking gratis.
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I have heard (from a reliable source) that it is a 24", double walled kettle with a removable heat deflector that will be available as a standalone or in a performer platform. Apparently the kettle is a bit deeper so the coals will be futher away from the cooking gratis.
Frankly, that sounds horrible. An odd size. An odd shape perhaps? And all for four figures? Woof.
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I have heard (from a reliable source) that it is a 24", double walled kettle with a removable heat deflector that will be available as a standalone or in a performer platform. Apparently the kettle is a bit deeper so the coals will be futher away from the cooking gratis.
24" grate, deeper bottom and heat deflector sounds like a double walled metal kamado which is the same size as an XL Big Green Egg, except the BGE retails for only $1199. So it's more expensive than a BGE?!?! I didn't think anything would be more than a BGE.
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My "source" (someone on another forum) said that the grill was absolutely beautiful and he would have bought it on the spot if it was for sale. This is from someone that owns a Komodo Kamado, so it must be pretty nice. He said.the description does not do it justice.
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Boy I can't wait for April 6 to roll around so I get to see what I will most likely never be able to afford. Lol
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Boy I can't wait for April 6 to roll around so I get to see what I will most likely never be able to afford. Lol
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I can't wait until April 6th to see what I am buying at a garage sale in 2026+ ;D
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I was under the impression that this thing would be available for purchase starting on April 6. However; I have read in various places that we are only getting a "sneak peek" on April 6 and that the actual product won't be available for purchase until long after that? Can anyone confirm this? Sounds like if you want to buy one of these things, you will have to wait several more months?
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I was under the impression that this thing would be available for purchase starting on April 6. However; I have read in various places that we are only getting a "sneak peek" on April 6 and that the actual product won't be available for purchase until long after that? Can anyone confirm this? Sounds like if you want to buy one of these things, you will have to wait several more months?
It would be pretty foolish to hype this grill up this much and not have it in stores for memorial day. 3 more days til we find out!
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For all of the Mid Atlantic people, it will be available at the Grill Center at 2808 Solomons Island Road, Edgewater, MD on the 6th and they will have cooking demos on Saturday the 9th starting at 10 AM.
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How to find other demonstration locations?
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How to find other demonstration locations?
The dealer I mentioned is a Weber Alliance Dealer. They are tight lipped about it and will not give any details in fear or losing their Alliance status.
To find one just go to http://dealer.weber.com/ and enter your zip. Alliance dealers will have (http://dealer.weber.com/assets/images/parts/map/alliance-delear-logo.jpg) next to their name.
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I just called the Alliance Dealer that is right around the corner in my town and he told me he knows nothing about it. I offered to come on Wednesday to tape a segment on it for my blog and he is either being tight lipped (but I don't know why he would say he doesn't know the first thing about it) or is really in the dark about it. I told him to check out the Weber FB page and let me know if he wants me to come in when he gets one to do a feature on it.
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I just called the Alliance Dealer that is right around the corner in my town and he told me he knows nothing about it. I offered to come on Wednesday to tape a segment on it for my blog and he is either being tight lipped (but I don't know why he would say he doesn't know the first thing about it) or is really in the dark about it. I told him to check out the Weber FB page and let me know if he wants me to come in when he gets one to do a feature on it.
Can you reach out to weber directly?
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My Weber distributer knows nothing and I got the same answer from the Alliance dealer here in my town , I don't think weber is releasing anything to anyone until April 6th period in order to protect the secret
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My Weber distributer knows nothing and I got the same answer from the Alliance dealer here in my town , I don't think weber is releasing anything to anyone until April 6th period in order to protect the secret
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Right, and they'll probably only release a press packet to the dealers. I think it's funny how often times enthusiasts know more about a product than the retailers wh sell them. It's like that in the camera world too.
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So, I was at my local dealer today. They basically said it is a kamado style of cooker but did not have much more information than that, other than it's probably double walled steel. At least that's what they told me.
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I just came from my local Weber dealer. He is one of only two Weber Alliance dealers in STL. He told me that the grill is called a Charcoal Summit (we knew that already) and he said the price point on it will be $1699.99. He is going to email later this afternoon with more info. He knew nothing about it until I educated him. He checked and said that they ordered 2 from Weber this morning and that it will be on display on their showroom floor next week for all the STL guys that want to see it up close and in person.
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I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that this is going to be 4x the cost of their current top of the line model grills (not counting ranch as this isn't nearly the size of the ranch).
At 600-800 I feel like I'd scrape together the dough for this, but at over 1500 I feel like that's a really narrow market. I guess we Will wait and see. If I sold my perfomer, WSM and 26 I could only afford half...
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only 2 more days...
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I just came from my local Weber dealer. He is one of only two Weber Alliance dealers in STL. He told me that the grill is called a Charcoal Summit (we knew that already) and he said the price point on it will be $1699.99. He is going to email later this afternoon with more info. He knew nothing about it until I educated him. He checked and said that they ordered 2 from Weber this morning and that it will be on display on their showroom floor next week for all the STL guys that want to see it up close and in person.
If this is accurate I'll just pass. I couldn't justify spending the money on an XL BGE or Kamado Big Joe when I can put out really good product with my 26" and a Slow 'n' Sear for 1/4 the price. I can buy a Lang 36" Deluxe Patio for $150 less. Weber looks to want to cash in on that 1 percenter with dollars to burn.
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I just got an email back from my Weber dealer as he promised earlier. Apparently, he talked to someone in the interim and he wasn't supposed to give me all that good information that he gave me. Now suddenly he says that he knows nothing about a new grill coming out, he doesn't remember talking to me, he never heard of a company called Weber, etc. He says for me to come back on Wednesday and he thinks his memory will be restored by then?
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So it's going the Pizza Oven Route , only select dealers will get the units , that's what it looks like .
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Someone overlay the curvature of that bowl onto that of a 22.5" kettle bowl and see if it's a 22.5 or 26.75" kettle. A 26.75" performer with a tall lid for smoking would be very interesting!
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I want to know what the cut outs on the ash sweep mean. Smoke, grill, garbage can?
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This is the most revealing photo to date IMO! At first I was kinda disappointed to see the ash bucket collector system, but if you look closely at the the cutouts @brettbrown mentioned you can see a small dot above each setting (smoke or grill). I would imagine the lower vent setting is done manually and then you program in your exact temp via the built in ATC...
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Which is pretty damn cool...
Unfortunately the teaser is of a 22.5 bottom... but who knows, maybe a 22 and a 26" model?!? Only a couple more days 8)
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How can you tell it's a 22.5" bowl?
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If this grill has been built from scratch, why even have the leg sockets? You can see this is mounted on a cart with the wheels in the background.
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How can you tell it's a 22.5" bowl?
My guess is that the ash catcher support ring is too large for an 18.5" and too small for a 26" ??? SJ
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How can you tell it's a 22.5" bowl?
My guess is that the ash catcher support ring is too large for an 18.5" and too small for a 26" ??? SJ
22.5" and 26.75" ash catcher assembly are the same.
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@pbe gummi bear On the 26r the ash ring sits completely inside the leg sockets - on a 22 the ash ring straddles them slightly as seen above.
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@pbe gummi bear On the 26r the ash ring sits completely inside the leg sockets - on a 22 the ash ring straddles them slightly as seen above.
Good to know, thank you! I'm a little less intrigued now. :)
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lol yea me too - maybe it's the $2000 model :o ;)
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I think some of us, myself included, are so used to quick eye tests we can give our beloved kettles that we're having a hard time even envisioning a new form factor. When you've been looking at the same sillothett for 60 years...
If this is more of a Komado style cooker like some of the more creditable reports seem to indicate then it's probable it's not a typical bottom 22" or 26" bowl being used. Maybe more of that egg shape? Just thinking out loud.
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If this grill has been built from scratch, why even have the leg sockets? You can see this is mounted on a cart with the wheels in the background.
Probably for the same reason every Performer since 1990 has had leg sockets, just take a kettle off the line, add support tabs for the table to it and drill holes for the lid bale. My '92 even has a front handle loop, unseen unless removed from the table/looked at from below.
Then again, if this is a unique, double-wall bowl, then the sockets were added only for the ash catcher.
Wonder if they'll offer any colors other than blaik.
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I'm also thinking an egg shape would make things difficult with the One Touch cleaning system which still seems to be present.
Like ATS mentioned They could easily be sharing bowl parts from a performer as they like to do that sort of thing. No new grate sizes/models that way either. Perhaps just the center section is double walled?
... Or maybe it's a fake image by Weber to throw us off :p
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Do any of the Summit gassers auto light the fuel, like a gas stove? Turn knob, get flame, done. That would be a worthwhile addition to this or any gasser IMO. Why press a separate button?
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The Summit gassers have an integrated igniter that fires when you turn it on. It's called the "Snap-Jet Burner Ignition System". You can also launch things into outer space using the same system ;)
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If this grill has been built from scratch, why even have the leg sockets? You can see this is mounted on a cart with the wheels in the background.
Probably for the same reason every Performer since 1990 has had leg sockets, just take a kettle off the line, add support tabs for the table to it and drill holes for the lid bale. My '92 even has a front handle loop, unseen unless removed from the table/looked at from below.
Then again, if this is a unique, double-wall bowl, then the sockets were added only for the ash catcher.
Wonder if they'll offer any colors other than blaik.
That's kind of my point. We're all speculating here, especially about size and design. The ash catcher pic makes it appear this will be a 22", and not something completely build from the ground up. I'l guess we'll all find out tomorrow!
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I hope there's a 22. That's still a great overall size and should provide some commonality. And it increases our chances of some interesting parts upgrades to ours, right?
On the road all day tomorrow. I'll be burning up some data for sure.
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I hope the tool set that comes with it includes their new spring loaded burger spatula.
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I'm personally not a fan of the OTS in a smoker application I prefer the zonal control of daisy wheels.
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Flux capacitor depth charge port?
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I hope I'm not the only one looking at all the teaser pics and reading all this speculation and my first thought being that I can't wait for people to buy this grill, decide they don't like it and put it up on CL...
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I hope I'm not the only one looking at all the teaser pics and reading all this speculation and my first thought being that I can't wait for people to buy this grill, decide they don't like it and put it up on CL...
I can see it now "bought it for my husband last Father's Day but he says it takes to long, going back to gas grill. Make offer"
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Are we thinking along the lines of a Caliber Kamado?
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I hope I'm not the only one looking at all the teaser pics and reading all this speculation and my first thought being that I can't wait for people to buy this grill, decide they don't like it and put it up on CL...
I can see it now "bought it for my husband last Father's Day but he says it takes to long, going back to gas grill. Make offer"
We can only hope!
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I'll have pics tomorrow for you guys.
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it's a lovely shade of black.
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I'm totally going to retrofit that vent hatch onto something.
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I'm totally going to retrofit that vent hatch onto something.
I've been trying to guess why the exhaust would need to be able to flow so much air. Maybe the thing's a hybrid; cook with gas also.
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Maybe we are going to have to throw a couple bucks in and have a drawing for one lucky member. Unless it turns out to be lame and no one wants one.
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I'm totally going to retrofit that vent hatch onto something.
I've been trying to guess why the exhaust would need to be able to flow so much air. Maybe the thing's a hybrid; cook with gas also.
Most of the egg style cookers have a top vent cap thing that comes totally off. I'm guessing weber thought it was a lot cooler to put a hinge on it.
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I'm totally going to retrofit that vent hatch onto something.
I've been trying to guess why the exhaust would need to be able to flow so much air. Maybe the thing's a hybrid; cook with gas also.
Most of the egg style cookers have a top vent cap thing that comes totally off. I'm guessing weber thought it was a lot cooler to put a hinge on it.
That's why I hope there's a smokestack accessory. Part of the Weber Style line of course.
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This is driving me crazy. I gotta see it
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This is the most revealing photo to date IMO! At first I was kinda disappointed to see the ash bucket collector system, but if you look closely at the the cutouts @brettbrown mentioned you can see a small dot above each setting (smoke or grill). I would imagine the lower vent setting is done manually and then you program in your exact temp via the built in ATC...
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Which is pretty damn cool...
Unfortunately the teaser is of a 22.5 bottom... but who knows, maybe a 22 and a 26" model?!? Only a couple more days 8)
So it will do everything?
Can this new Weber core a apple Chef of the future?
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Bad news. No pics tomorrow. I just spoke to my Alliance Dealer. They were originally told they will arrive tomorrow. They have now been informed they will ship tomorrow. The will definitely have one one hand by Saturday for the demo.
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Bad news. No pics tomorrow. I just spoke to my Alliance Dealer. They were originally told they will arrive tomorrow. They have now been informed they will ship tomorrow. The will definitely have one one hand by Saturday for the demo.
Darn! :-\
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@dwnthehatch Ill get one!!! A Picture that is!!!
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@mike.stavlund check out that bokeh!
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I am as in the dark as you guys regarding the new Weber, however, I know with 100% certainty that our tester Max Good at AmazingRibs.com has had one for a couple of weeks now and his review will publish tomorrow. Yes Weber is spilling the beans at that time anyway, but Max has put it through its paces and will let us know how it compares with everything else at that price point. I do know he's pretty excited about the whole thing!
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I am as in the dark as you guys regarding the new Weber, however, I know with 100% certainty that our tester Max Good at AmazingRibs.com has had one for a couple of weeks now and his review will publish tomorrow. Yes Weber is spilling the beans at that time anyway, but Max has put it through its paces and will let us know how it compares with everything else at that price point. I do know he's pretty excited about the whole thing!
Love me some Meathead. I'll be interested to see the new Weber in action and get Max's take. Tomorrow is going to be fun. Any chance this is like Black Friday and Weber lets the cat out of the bag at Midnight?
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@mike.stavlund check out that bokeh!
That is some sweet bokeh, and a nice bit of smoke (vs. the first image we saw of this forthcoming wonder, which looked like someone was lighting up two chimneys of KB in a downdraft).
It's a cool vent, too. I predict @pbe gummi bear will have one on a grill within a month.
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Is it 9:00 yet? Someone hurry up and post some pics
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From Weber's facebook page, it looks like 9am CST is the online reveal. Less than 3 hours to go!
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Ok, it's April 6. Where the hell is this damned thing? I knew it. There ain't no grill. This whole thing is a rip-off!
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9 AM central 2.5 more hours
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Ok, it's April 6. Where the hell is this damned thing? I knew it. There ain't no grill. This whole thing is a rip-off!
I believe the grill academy at the weber grill restaurant is going to have one for people to check out.
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The reveal was put off til tomorrow, someone set the grill on a wall where it fell off and broke to pieces, now all weber's men are putting it together again.
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2 minutes to go. Sitting here with my popcorn and a beer waiting.
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2 minutes to go. Sitting here with my popcorn and a beer waiting.
Central time Hoss, we have another hour. :(
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2 minutes to go. Sitting here with my popcorn and a beer waiting.
Central time Hoss, we have another hour. :(
Shit.
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2 minutes to go. Sitting here with my popcorn and a beer waiting.
Central time Hoss, we have another hour. :(
Shit.
On the bright side, this gives you time for more beer.
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10 minutes to go, how's the popcorn holding out, Hoss?
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F5, F5, F5.... Nothing. LOL. 8 people have liked the Weber page in the last 5 mins.
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Holy crap, it's here!
http://www.weber.com/weber-nation/blog/the-summit-charcoal-grill-it-has-finally-arrived
But how much?!!! >:(
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???
To be honest I was expecting a lot more considering the price... No built in digital therm? (I guess this won't be compatible with the wifi app) You could buy a brand new Performer and a brand new 22.5" WSM for substantially less money and the only difference is double walled? Man, maybe I over hyped it myself but to me it's just a smoker on a wheeled cart, no? :/
Maybe the pricing info is out to lunch? I know two separate Canadian dealers who confirmed the numbers I was given...
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http://www.weber.com/grills/series/summit-charcoal
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Yeah, I don't see any prices yet.
...not that I'm going to buy one, just wondering how long I'll need to wait before I can afford a used one. ;-)
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trying to find one locally to check out today. Dealer locator specific to the summit charcoal on their site is crashing...
Curious what the price point really will be....
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Weber Canada article: Price is $1,999 and $2,499
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/weber-peaks-launch-ultimate-summit-140000165.html
VAUGHAN, ON, April 6, 2016 /CNW/ - The Company that ignited a backyard revolution in 1952 with the late George Stephen's invention of the iconic Weber kettle grill is proud to introduce the ultimate charcoal #GrillofaLifetime! After years of extensive research and development, Weber-Stephen Products LLC, the world's premier manufacturer of charcoal, gas and electric grills and grilling accessories, today announced the debut of the first-ever Weber Summit Charcoal Grill.
"With charcoal being the fastest growing segment in outdoor grills, and with 46%* of Canadians ranking charcoal grills their top choice for flavour, the time is right to introduce this premium, multi-purpose Weber grill into the Canadian market," said Patricia Larez, Vice President of Marketing, Weber-Stephen Canada."
Built with Weber DNA and made by grillers for grillers, the uniquely designed Summit Charcoal Grill offers an abundance of desirable features in one sharp looking grill, providing backyard chefs with convenience, versatility and quality under one durable lid. "As its name implies, the Summit Charcoal Grill is top-of-the-line offering consumers ultimate control and convenience to guarantee perfect results each and every cookout, whether using the Direct, Indirect, or low and slow cooking methods. It's the only grill of its kind in Weber's charcoal line and will appeal to both charcoal and gas grillers, making the new Summit Charcoal a grill of a lifetime!" added Larez.
The Summit Charcoal Grill combines three of the best grilling features found in the original Weber Kettle, the innovative Performer grill and the Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker Smoker, in one-multi-functional, ultimate charcoal grill. Available in black, the Weber Summit Charcoal Grill is available at select Canadian stores and is priced at $1,999.99 (MSRP).
Consumers will have the option to upgrade to the Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Centre which includes all of the features found on the Summit Charcoal Grill listed below plus a stainless steel tabletop and wire storage basket, diffuser plate storage area, and Char-bin storage container that holds up to 20 lbs. of charcoal (MSRP $2,499.99).
Attributes and highlights of the Summit Charcoal Grill include:
Attributes:
Weber Kettle: Similar in design as the original Kettle, it incorporates a porcelain-enameled lid and bowl that is air insulated and double-walled which allows the grill to hold low, steady temperatures for long periods of time. And with a 24" diameter cooking surface, it offers 25% more cooking area than the standard Kettle grill.
Snap Jet Gas Grill Ignition System: Until now, this system was only available on the Weber Summit gas grill but is now available on the Summit Charcoal grill. Snap Jet Gas Ignition offers the convenience of a gas start— with the simple flick of a switch, your charcoal is lit within 15 minutes. Set it and forget it!
Smokey Mountain Cooker Smoker: Borrowing from the very best Weber Smoker, the Summit Charcoal Grill is also perfect for low and slow cooking.
Highlights:
Rapid Fire Lid Damper: Help ignite charcoal faster and brings temperatures up quickly during the cooking process – get grilling in 20 minutes!
Gourmet Barbecue System (GBS) Hinged Cooking Grate: This stainless steel cooking grate comes with a removable insert that is easily replaced with any of the available GBS system cookware accessories, transforming your grill into a complete cooking centre. Accessories include: wok, griddle, pizza stone, sear grate and poultry roaster. (Sold separately)
Cooking Zone Indicator: A large and easy to read lid thermometer indicates cooking zones such as low, medium and high to keep grilling informed of grill temperatures at all times.
Hinged Diffuser Plate – Helps maintain consistent low temperatures for slow cooking.
A free, downloadable copy of Weber's Charcoal Summit e-cookbook will be available to customers who register their Summit Charcoal Grill online. The cookbook includes 95 delicious recipes with colour photos and top grilling tips to make any outdoor chef a backyard hero!
Hi-res images available upon request. Visit www.webercanada.ca for more information.
To arrange an interview with Weber Grill Expert Chef Michael P. Clive, please contact Theresa Stahl tstahl@weberstephen.com or 905-336-5700.
*Weber-Stephen Canada Co. commissioned KeyStat Marketing to field the Canadian GrillWatch Survey. Slightly over 1,000 grill owners throughout Canada completed the online survey during October 2015. All respondents were over age 21 and owned one or more outdoor grills.
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US Prices: MSRP: $1,699 and $2,299 respectively
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/374748551.html
PALATINE, Ill., April 6, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Weber-Stephen Products LLC, the world's leading manufacturer of outdoor gas and charcoal grills and grilling accessories, announces a new charcoal grill that combines the form and functions of the classic Weber kettle grill with the company's beloved Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker smoker to create a completely new grill option from Weber.
The new Summit® charcoal grill and Summit® charcoal grilling center (MSRP: $1,699 and $2,299 respectively) will be available at select specialty retailers beginning April 6, 2016. Consumers can visit www.weber.com to find a dealer in their area.
"We are so excited to bring these new grills to our customers—providing true convection cooking that only Weber's trademarked round shape can provide," said Kim Lefko, Chief Marketing Officer, Weber-Stephen Products LLC. "Charcoal grill owners interested in smoking, and gas grill owners who long for the taste of charcoal now have the best of both worlds available to them."
Designed to provide ultimate control and hold steady temperatures for more than 10 hours of cooking, the Weber Summit charcoal grill will incorporate many unique features including multi-zone heat options, a hinged diffuser plate, a two-position fuel grate, an insulated lid and bowl for less charcoal consumption and better heat retention, and a slow cook/smoke bowl damper set-up that allows for three bottom vent positions.
In addition, the Weber Summit charcoal grills come with a Gourmet BBQ System cooking grate—a hinged cooking grate that features a removable center piece designed to fit a variety of Weber accessories, including a wok, griddle, and a poultry roaster.
The Weber Summit charcoal grill features 452 square-inches of cooking space, Snap-Jet gas ignition for easy lighting, a Rapidfire lid damper and built-in thermometer, a bottom wire rack for additional storage and the One-Touch cleaning system for easy ash removal. The Weber Summit charcoal grilling center will also include a stainless steel tabletop, wire basket and tool hook, along with a CharBin storage container.
For more information, visit http://www.weber.com/grillofalifetime.
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Behold... The $1700 Weber Akorn
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Just got an email from Firecraft. They have them.
http://www.firecraft.com/weber-summit-charcoal-grill-18301001?utm_source=FireCraft+Customer+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a753231fcd-Weber_Summit_Charcoal_Grill_Launch_4_6_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7f23282b10-a753231fcd-105693901
Holy Shit! $1500 without the table, $2000 with.
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I want one, just because I want one, but it would be hard for me to justify paying that price when I could by a Performer Deluxe and 22" WSM for $800 combined.
Also, my initial reaction is I actually think the Performer Deluxe looks better than the Summit Charcoal grill. However, it may grow on me and my opinion could change.
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Performer Deluxe is $400, the list on this has to be $700 to $800. I have a feeling this will go the way of the Weber Vieluxe.
Maybe I am missing something but this thing does nothing for me.
*Update*
I just saw $1500 to $1700....
Wow sorry Weber you missed the mark on this.
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So what can it do that my WSM or kettle can't do? For 2k I'll pass.
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Thanks, @tb80 . Really helpful information.
Interesting that they bumped the grate size up, but only to 24"
And wow, I'm glad for the brand and hope they make zillions, but that's a really steep price point. Obviously marketed to people who are not me. ;-)
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Very versatile looking. How cool would it be if it was RED!!!
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Pretty cool but think they are both about $1000 over their ideal price point.
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Thanks, @tb80 . Really helpful information.
Interesting that they bumped the grate size up, but only to 24"
And wow, I'm glad for the brand and hope they make zillions, but that's a really steep price point. Obviously marketed to people who are not me. ;-)
Yeah surprised they didn't just reuse one of the 22 or 26 grates, all though making a new grill grate means they can introduce some summit only parts that we cant steal and summitize our 22 performers.
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And first on my list of "things I'm not buying" is now the Summit Charcoal Grill.
1. Damn, it is ugly
2. Way too expensive. Just not a good value for the price.
3. For the price I'd expect way more surface area on the work table.
I had some high hopes but agree with others that they've missed the mark. But then again, we probably are not their target audience as most of us have multiple machines.
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I think I know what happened here:
An exec from the investment firm owns a Bug Green Egg, he had an idea and no one wanted to tell him NO.
This is a disaster.
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At least it can be painted without the new paint burning off
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Very versatile looking. How cool would it be if it was RED!!!
Speaking of colors, how sweet does that blue WSM in the background of the overview video look? Did they put something that is unavailable behind the grill that is really pricy just to rub it in?
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I'm not rushing out to buy one, but I think it will do fine. They are definitely going after the high end market. Looking at some pics from the Firecraft site, it's highly engineered and higher quality than any of Weber's other Kettle offerings. Check out the hinge.
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I'd wager that the inner and outer shell of the bowl is thicker gauge than any of their Kettles.
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I'm happy to see that Weber added to the Charcoal lineup , first new charcoal design since the Platinum in 2010 I believe ? As far as price goes it's right in line with the ceramic cookers around the same size .
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I am not sure it is possible to be any less excited about something!! WAY too much money....I guess it just makes me love my kettles and WSM even more..
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I actually think it's pretty cool and I would be interested. I think the features are really nice, but at that price there's just no way I could justify..... However I'm not at that grill price point on any level, all the Summit series grills are beyond my price point so I guess this is another one of them. I do like the fact Weber is trying to innovate in the charcoal space. there's obviously a market, big green egg sells like crazy and Komado as well, they are obviously targeting that market.
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On a more positive note, I do like the design of the flip up lid vent. If it works as good as it looks that could be sweet.
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I will say I do like the hinged vent on top and the heavy casters... but i'm not paying anywhere near that price for those.
Sorry didnt see: On a more positive note, I do like the design of the flip up lid vent. If it works as good as it looks that could be sweet.
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so basically its an insulated performer? What am I missing? twitter says its a double walled air insulated bowl and lid.
Weber has stood the test of time because they make a versatile, well made product that is simple and effective. This is the complete opposite of that approach. expensive and complex. I don't see it being a hit but hey we will see!
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If it was $500-700, try to figure out a way to get it. At $1500, not even considering it....maybe some of the features will carry over to the regular kettles?
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I like the well thought out design and how versatile it appears. I just can't see myself ever dropping 2K. I hope the market will support this machine.
In the meantime, I'm gonna continue to give my own gas assist smoker a thorough workout this summer
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It's the same grate size as an XL Big Green Egg which retails at $1199. I'll stick with my Char-Griller Akorn. The fancy one with a table retails at $400.
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I think I know what happened here:
An exec from the investment firm owns a Bug Green Egg, he had an idea and no one wanted to tell him NO.
This is a disaster.
This was my thought as well.
This does absolutely nothing for me. I feel like it should cost around $800 dollars and even that's just because it has Weber's name on it. I know they are going for the high end market, but this is not what people with $2K spend their money on. Even if rich dad really wants it, rich mom will veto based on the awkward looks alone.
I'm so disappointed after all the hype. I wish they would have just come out with a 26in performer and not gotten greedy. People are going to get fired over this.
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i'll wait a couple seasons & buy a used one off craigslist.
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If it was $500-700, try to figure out a way to get it. At $1500, not even considering it....maybe some of the features will carry over to the regular kettles?
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I'd even go $ 800 but I don't see 2k for a grill. Time will tell.
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Meh.....
At least it will be easy to hold out for one to show up on CL for $100 a few years from now......after the yuppy bastard original owner figures out he doesn't like the "hassle" of cooking with charcoal. LOL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjbUilmcU4U
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But just think about the WKC members 50 years from now who will all be oohing and aahing over this when someone picks one off CL.
"Holy Cow, a Summit Charcoal?!?! And my dopey grandfather thought a Meats Kettle was rare!"
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How much is a 24" big green egg?
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To be clear: I don't begrudge anyone who buys one of these. I'm jealous of them! And I'll definitely bring the beer (or champagne?) if they will let me cook on it.
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I know they are going for the high end market, but this is not what people with $2K spend their money on. Even if rich dad really wants it, rich mom will veto based on the awkward looks alone.
I agree, The gasser summit grill center is much more elegant with looking with its doors and such. Not to mention those hooks look like an afterthought.
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I do like the fact Weber is trying to innovate in the charcoal space. There's obviously a market, big green egg sells like crazy and Komado as well, they are obviously targeting that market.
^^^ This!
I'm trying to be open minded and not just instantly poo-poo this grill just because I can't afford it. When you compare this Summit to the Kettles we know and love there really are a lot of cool innovations. Insulated, larger grate, hinged lid, gas assist ignition, intended dual-purpose...some cool stuff. I know, I know nothing we all can't do on a $15 CL find, but I'll say this. I smoked up great food on my kettle for years and never saw the big deal about a WSM...until I got one. Why would anyone need the gas assist and table of a Performer? Lazy Elitists! Then I got one. I can't see why I would need one of these for the price they are asking, but hopefully someday I'll prove myself wrong there too.
Like @zavod44 I'm just glad Weber is adding some innovation to the Charcoal segment of their business. In one way or another, that's good for all of us.
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I'm not going to be mad, this is designed for a whole different market, the standard kettles are small potatoes, which is what I like...
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Performer Deluxe is $400, the list on this has to be $700 to $800. I have a feeling this will go the way of the Weber Vieluxe.
Maybe I am missing something but this thing does nothing for me.
*Update*
I just saw $1500 to $1700....
Wow sorry Weber you missed the mark on this.
The new Weber Kamado is cool! It looks like it fixes many of the gripes of a Big Green Egg which is likely what they are going for. If I were in the market for a high end charcoal cooker I would seriously give this one a look vs a Big Green Egg. The prices are similar once you are all in with the accessories.
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IMO they could have done so much more with this product. Beyond the double walled construction and $20 lid hinge what are you paying a huge premium for here? (Summit name?) Even the tool holder looks like an afterthought and that they just threw it in the box so you had something to hang some tools on. I love all things Weber but feel they missed the mark on this one - at least at the price point they are shooting for.
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I know they are going for the high end market, but this is not what people with $2K spend their money on. Even if rich dad really wants it, rich mom will veto based on the awkward looks alone.
I agree, The gasser summit grill center is much more elegant with looking with its doors and such. Not to mention those hooks look like an afterthought.
I agree with those cheap stamped utensil hooks. Totally unfitting for a grill of this caliber. However, I think they did an amazing job with the baseline Kamado. The tripod cart and kettle screams Weber DNA so kudos to them for that.
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I'm not going to be mad, this is designed for a whole different market, the standard kettles are small potatoes, which is what I like...
Well said.....
Very cool that Weber is continuing to work on its charcoal line up. THE premium grill company should be marketing a premium product. I hope some of these innovations (e.g. double wall) make their way into the rest of the charcoal lineup.
Winz
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So I know I am being overly critical here but the entry point for this is at the BGE price with loads of accessories, the only caveat being the size is larger than BGE standard.
I hope it does well, the percentage of 1 percenters has increased in the last 20 years so maybe there is a market. :)
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In looking closer at it, and looking at the amazingribs.com review, the Summit definitely has some new options that are unavailable on regular kettles. Like someone mentioned above, I used to not see the need for the gas assist on the performer and the side table, but once I got one I can't imagine being without it. However, the price difference between a standard kettle and a performer is only $300.
Overall, I like the innovation and new options, but, the price point is too high for me right now. That being said, if I had the money to burn, and was looking at getting a BGE or similar kamado, I would have to seriously consider the Summit.
I have a feeling it will be like most new things. We tend to balk at new stuff, say it isn't necessary, say it is too expensive, and then eventually come around and realize that it fits a need and/or a market. As a practical matter, most people don't need a Summit gas grill, but Weber is still selling them. I see the Summit charcoal being similar. You don't need it, but it will meet a demand for the luxury charcoal grill market.
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Thanks for the amazingribs video link, @demosthenes9 . A great look at some cool features... especially the ones he didn't mention-- looks like a stainless underside to the lid, and some interesting small cutouts in the bottom vents. I suppose those cutouts would provide tighter/closer air control for smoking.
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I thinks it's called "the grill of a lifetime" because that's how long it would take to pay it off.
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One thing came to mind is that none of the current accessories, OEM or third party, will fit on this because the grill size is non-standard at 24 inches. Many thing made for a 22 inch kettle or a 26 inch kettle won't work. If you're invested in rotisserie so pizza oven kits, those extenders that turn your kettle into a smoker etc, you're stuck keeping your kettle going anyways.
Personally, since I already have the kettle and the WSM, I'm well covered and I don't have the need for this. And I can't afford it...
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Thanks for the amazingribs video link, @demosthenes9 . A great look at some cool features... especially the ones he didn't mention-- looks like a stainless underside to the lid, and some interesting small cutouts in the bottom vents. I suppose those cutouts would provide tighter/closer air control for smoking.
The video is nice, it helps understand the nuances of this grill. It is very nice and for the price it should be. i will be on the look out in 5 years when that rich house wife gets mad at her husband and lists this on CL for $50.
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Hmmmmmmm. Not that impressed but then again I'm not really in the market for that type of cooker. It one ups all of the other egg style cookers just on cleanup though. My friend with an egg usually uses a shop vac to clean out the ashes. The one touch system would make that job a lot easier.
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There is a chance to win one on Weber Facebook page.
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I think Weber is just trying to get into a space they haven't had a presence in.
Back when the Stephens family still owned and ran the company, they were probably just fine with staying in their lane and getting simple charcoal cookers out there for the masses to enjoy.
When you read BBQ forums, you might think Offsets/stick burners or Kamados/Ceramics were the only "real" choice among serious BBQ enthusiasts the way some of them almost sneer at the thought of using a Kettle. I've seen more than one person claim a Kettle is not a "real" smoker because it isn't an offset and then later claim that a Kamado style is. I've also seen a ton of "what should I buy" threads in a variety of places where guys have a perfectly capable kettle and think they need a COS from Home Depot in order to start smoking. The majority of people responding recommend they buy a COS or a Ceramic for "real" low n slow.
So now you have Venture Capital owning and running Weber. Those guys care about one thing: profit. They bought Weber thinking the brand was undervalued in all likelihood, otherwise they wouldn't have made the play. Over the last 2-3 years, we've seen a handful of changes that are subtle to most people, but obvious to anyone with experience grilling and/or with "profit taking measures." That change to the heat deflecting, bolt-on handle? I do not know for sure, but I am willing to bet it was done because that one change would improve the profit margin on each kettle by some degree that it made it "worth it" to some bean counter somewhere in the halls of Weber Corporate. Nevermind that it creates a weak point on the kettle or probably reduces the useful life of the kettle, or increases calls to customer service asking for replacements. Profits now rule the day.
That same mentality has them looking around saying "where can we get higher margins?" Look no further than the ceramics market. Those buyers are largely affluent customers, very rarely are they buying for anything other than exclusive. You're not buying BGEs at a big box retailer. I doubt seriously you'll see a Charcoal Summit at a Home Depot any time soon, either. The profit hounds at Weber are looking at this relatively untapped market for them and seeing opportunity. Their thought process is, if someone is willing to pay $1,200+ for a BGE, surely they'll pony up $2,000 for something with the Weber name on it.
They already have us. They know we're not going anywhere. For that matter, most of the people in this forum aren't even their customers. Most people here are CL warriors, so the money we spend never goes anywhere near Weber.
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I think Weber is just trying to get into a space they haven't had a presence in.
Back when the Stephens family still owned and ran the company, they were probably just fine with staying in their lane and getting simple charcoal cookers out there for the masses to enjoy.
When you read BBQ forums, you might think Offsets/stick burners or Kamados/Ceramics were the only "real" choice among serious BBQ enthusiasts the way some of them almost sneer at the thought of using a Kettle. I've seen more than one person claim a Kettle is not a "real" smoker because it isn't an offset and then later claim that a Kamado style is. I've also seen a ton of "what should I buy" threads in a variety of places where guys have a perfectly capable kettle and think they need a COS from Home Depot in order to start smoking. The majority of people responding recommend they buy a COS or a Ceramic for "real" low n slow.
So now you have Venture Capital owning and running Weber. Those guys care about one thing: profit. They bought Weber thinking the brand was undervalued in all likelihood, otherwise they wouldn't have made the play. Over the last 2-3 years, we've seen a handful of changes that are subtle to most people, but obvious to anyone with experience grilling and/or with "profit taking measures." That change to the heat deflecting, bolt-on handle? I do not know for sure, but I am willing to bet it was done because that one change would improve the profit margin on each kettle by some degree that it made it "worth it" to some bean counter somewhere in the halls of Weber Corporate. Nevermind that it creates a weak point on the kettle or probably reduces the useful life of the kettle, or increases calls to customer service asking for replacements. Profits now rule the day.
That same mentality has them looking around saying "where can we get higher margins?" Look no further than the ceramics market. Those buyers are largely affluent customers, very rarely are they buying for anything other than exclusive. You're not buying BGEs at a big box retailer. I doubt seriously you'll see a Charcoal Summit at a Home Depot any time soon, either. The profit hounds at Weber are looking at this relatively untapped market for them and seeing opportunity. Their thought process is, if someone is willing to pay $1,200+ for a BGE, surely they'll pony up $2,000 for something with the Weber name on it.
They already have us. They know we're not going anywhere. For that matter, most of the people in this forum aren't even their customers. Most people here are CL warriors, so the money we spend never goes anywhere near Weber.
Well put.
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I'm underwhelmed. This is terrible, and I hate to say it, but it seems similar in concept to the Charbroil Akorn with cart, which I can get at my HD for $329. As far as the gas start, isn't this just the performer? Does it have a higher propane output, which would get the coals going even quicker?
With all that said, two things I do like and would love to see incorporated elsewhere (though I know that won't happen):
The hinged lid damper.
The hinged diffuser plate. I'd love to see what that would do in my 26 inch kettle.
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Anyone else notice they left the leg holders on the bottom of the bowl near the ash catcher despite the fact that they are not used on either model?
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How much is a 24" big green egg?
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Retail on XL BGE is $1199
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This is exciting tho: "And Weber provides a built in port for thermostat temperature controllers like the popular BBQ Guru."
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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that I am impressed with what I have seen so far. Having said that, given its price point, unless I win one, it won't be gracing my stable anytime soon. Speaking of price point, I do think that Weber is holding with their track record on price points compared to other grills out there that are readily available. Think about it. It's 1953, you have a choice of buying an open top charcoal brazier for $7-$10 ($88-$95 in today's money) vs a $49 buoy kettle ($400+ today with inflation) Now we are at a point where the classic kettle (including a brand new 26"er) is the brazier price point compared to the Summit being the price of a '50s buoy/kettle (and then some). This new grill is targeted towards the higher disposable income customer much the same way kettles were in the 50s and 60s and the Genesis' in the 80s. I'm sure that there is a market for it. I need to save up and/or sacrifice if I really want one.
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Anyone else notice they left the leg holders on the bottom of the bowl near the ash catcher despite the fact that they are not used on either model?
True to form, Weber reuses existing parts when creating a new grill. Just like they did with the WSM.
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I have a performer, a 26" kettle, and an 18" and 22" WSM. I wonder if this could replace all four.
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It's an interesting grill for sure. I can't help but notice the double wall insulation between the charcoal and food, and double wall insulation firebox. These are both innovations the Slow 'N Sear brought to the standard kettle a year ago. 8)
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I'm still excited to check it out and see how it performs.
It looks promising.
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I have a performer, a 26" kettle, and an 18" and 22" WSM. I wonder if this could replace all four.
It probably could, except cooking capacity with multiple cookers.
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First impressions (I haven't seen any of the videos yet.)
I like 'em; they seem to have a good mix of the retro design we appreciate and innovation. What these both offer are details in design and execution that I don't think you can legitimately quantify or qualify by pointing to the existing lineup, add them together and declare, "same thing!"
One thing's for sure, when you consider the extra features, SS parts and so on, there's no way this would start at "a couple hundred" more than the old designs.
Lack of color remains an oversight IMO.
Noticed the grill grate is 24.5". That's only 1/4" smaller than what my old flat top 26 needs ...
The starter system, wondering if it can light without a chimney?
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I have a performer, a 26" kettle, and an 18" and 22" WSM. I wonder if this could replace all four.
It probably could, except cooking capacity with multiple cookers.
There's no way it could replace that list for capacity; the idea is that you do it all on a smaller scale using far less space and with better convenience of not performance.
Our older machines excel at capacity/dollar ... Especially when bought USED.
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First impressions (I haven't seen any of the videos yet.)
I like 'em; they seem to have a good mix of the retro design we appreciate and innovation. What these both offer are details in design and execution that I don't think you can legitimately quantify or qualify by pointing to the existing lineup, add them together and declare, "same thing!"
One thing's for sure, when you consider the extra features, SS parts and so on, there's no way this would start at "a couple hundred" more than the old designs.
Lack of color remains an oversight IMO.
Noticed the grill grate is 24.5". That's only 1/4" smaller than what my old flat top 26 needs ...
The starter system, wondering if it can light without a chimney?
They should offer it in GREEN and then we can watch hilarity ensue on the internets. The Weber Kamado comes with a little charcoal bucket for measuring pouring out briquettes into the firebowl.
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Well, I just read this review over at Amazing Ribs, and it has softened my stance a bit...it sounds pretty nice.
http://amazingribs.com/bbq_equipment_reviews_ratings/grill-smoker-combination-grill-smoker/weber-summit-charcoal-grill (http://amazingribs.com/bbq_equipment_reviews_ratings/grill-smoker-combination-grill-smoker/weber-summit-charcoal-grill)
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I'm really liking the adjustable charcoal grate, that's a really slick design.
The top vent with the wide open flip feature rocks, that needs to come to the regular charcoal lineup.
I was hoping the "jet snap" gas assist system would be an upgrade to something beefier and faster - more like an internal weed burner.
But it looks exactly the same as the performer.
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A few notes for the inquiring minds.
The grill is sturdy and well built. It has the capacity of a 22" smoker when using the extension grate. When fired up properly it can get twice the burn time of 22" smoker without reloading it.
Yes, you can light it without a chimney starter.
It performs incredible.
This machine speaks to the hype.
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A few notes for the inquiring minds.
The grill is sturdy and well built. It has the capacity of a 22" smoker when using the extension grate. When fired up properly it can get twice the burn time of 22" smoker without reloading it.
Yes, you can light it without a chimney starter.
It performs incredible.
This machine speaks to the hype.
Thanks for the expert opinion!
I told my wife that I had to have one, she didn't seem pleased - but she didn't say 'no' either.
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I am not only impressed with the build quality but with the results of the cooks.
You won't be disappointed.
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So is this going to be The Big Black Egg?
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I'm so depressed :'(
I'm 62 on the 12th & had hoped to justify one for my birthday!
Even with house paid for last year & kids off the payroll I cant justify that price!
I can take a small vacation for that!
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So is this going to be The Big Black Egg?
Nice!!
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Weber has their Egg now. Too bad they layed a rotten egg. With this MSRP: $1,699 and $2,299 respectively, I can only see it being a distant memory next year.
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Just checked Craigslist. So far there are no Weber Summit Charcoal grills listed.
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I am certainly interested. $2k for a cooker that I will use for the next 10 years = ~$17/month. Three less Starbucks lattes per month is a small price to pay for something that feeds my passion for outdoor cooking.
Winz
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Weber has their Egg now. Too bad they layed a rotten egg. With this MSRP: $1,699 and $2,299 respectively, I can only see it being a distant memory next year.
The grill isn't intended to replace the regular charcoal grill.
Most of us are not the target audience - but that doesn't mean that there isn't a target audience to support it...
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For comparison:
The size of the cooking area compare to the xl BGE this lists for $1199, this is without accessories, when you are done with a nest , defuser, extender etc you will be in about $1700
This is obviously the market they were targeting for this. I still say it is a tough pill to swallow but I also think the price of a BGE is silly.
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I like @Winz perspective. Although I just got my tax bill 15 minutes ago...summit purchase will NOT be made at this moment...ugh.
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I am certainly interested. $2k for a cooker that I will use for the next 10 years = ~$17/month. Three less Starbucks lattes per month is a small price to pay for something that feeds my passion for outdoor cooking.
Winz
This is perfect. @Winz , I am stealing this and immediately adding this to my sales pitch to the Wifey. She works in finance so the straight up calculations will be speaking her language. Although with a garage full of Kettles already I'm guessing she could give a $h*t less about my passions. 8)
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I think I just found the first revision of this on the google
(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/beamhawk/100_0365-1.jpg)
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For comparison:
The size of the cooking area compare to the xl BGE this lists for $1199, this is without accessories, when you are done with a nest , defuser, extender etc you will be in about $1700
This is obviously the market they were targeting for this. I still say it is a tough pill to swallow but I also think the price of a BGE is silly.
It's a tough price to swallow because you're looking at it from a value oriented perspective. (And there's nothing wrong with that)
The target audience that spends $2,000 on a charcoal grill isn't a value oriented crowd - they're an experience oriented crowd. (or perhaps a 'status oriented' crowd)
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I am certainly interested. $2k for a cooker that I will use for the next 10 years = ~$17/month. Three less Starbucks lattes per month is a small price to pay for something that feeds my passion for outdoor cooking.
Winz
This is perfect. @Winz , I am stealing this and immediately adding this to my sales pitch to the Wifey. She works in finance so the straight up calculations will be speaking her language. Although with a garage full of Kettles already I'm guessing she could give a $h*t less about my passions. 8)
You wife in finance will say buy a CL kettle for $50 and take that $17 per month and invest it...... :)
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For comparison:
The size of the cooking area compare to the xl BGE this lists for $1199, this is without accessories, when you are done with a nest , defuser, extender etc you will be in about $1700
This is obviously the market they were targeting for this. I still say it is a tough pill to swallow but I also think the price of a BGE is silly.
It's a tough price to swallow because you're looking at it from a value oriented perspective. (And there's nothing wrong with that)
The target audience that spends $2,000 on a charcoal grill isn't a value oriented crowd - they're an experience oriented crowd. (or perhaps a 'status oriented' crowd)
Very true Troy, I just wonder if 2 years from now we will be comparing this to the vieluxe? I hope not, I love Weber products.
and as I said, I will be on the lookout in a couple years for the disgruntled wife or ignorant seller to see one of these on CL for $100
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For comparison:
The size of the cooking area compare to the xl BGE this lists for $1199, this is without accessories, when you are done with a nest , defuser, extender etc you will be in about $1700
This is obviously the market they were targeting for this. I still say it is a tough pill to swallow but I also think the price of a BGE is silly.
It's a tough price to swallow because you're looking at it from a value oriented perspective. (And there's nothing wrong with that)
The target audience that spends $2,000 on a charcoal grill isn't a value oriented crowd - they're an experience oriented crowd. (or perhaps a 'status oriented' crowd)
Very true Troy, I just wonder if 2 years from now we will be comparing this to the vieluxe? I hope not, I love Weber products.
and as I said, I will be on the lookout in a couple years for the disgruntled wife or ignorant seller to see one of these on CL for $100
I hope not as well.
I think if it fails, it won't be because of the price.
It'll be with their marketing efforts, or it will be related to the vocal negativity of weber's incredibly loyal (and value oriented) audience.
It's like Honda making a $90,000 luxury vehicle. If they market it to the civic drivers of the world, they're going to have a bad time.
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(or perhaps a 'status oriented' crowd)
This is the target audience. @Troy has said it, I have said it, and a couple of others have said it in this thread already. This product was not made with "us" in mind. Weber doesn't care about "us" because they already have "us." They care about Dr. Griller and Lawyer Griller who have the Mercedes in the driveway and are looking for something to add to their brand new outdoor kitchen. They heard that charcoal cooking is the newest and latest craze in outdoor entertaining, so they drive over to their dealer that built their outdoor kitchen, not Home Depot or Ace Hardware.
Weber knows this already. There is a very telling line at the end of Amazing Ribs' review:
Unlike Summit gassers, these new coal burners will not be sold in big box hardware stores. At least for now Summit Charcoals are only available through indy dealers.
They're not trying to sell one to "us."
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It'll be with their marketing efforts, or it will be related to the vocal negativity of weber's incredibly loyal (and value oriented) audience.
Meaning us? :)
I actually think the price will have a factor, if they are going to take on the Kamado market with this thing I think they should have offered $1500 features @ $800 price point
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I am certainly interested. $2k for a cooker that I will use for the next 10 years = ~$17/month. Three less Starbucks lattes per month is a small price to pay for something that feeds my passion for outdoor cooking.
Winz
This is perfect. @Winz , I am stealing this and immediately adding this to my sales pitch to the Wifey. She works in finance so the straight up calculations will be speaking her language. Although with a garage full of Kettles already I'm guessing she could give a $h*t less about my passions. 8)
You wife in finance will say buy a CL kettle for $50 and take that $17 per month and invest it...... :)
I fully expected something like that out of my wife's mouth, but you LB? Et tu, Brute? I thought this was a safe place full of kindness and Weber whimsy. Well, for a few glorious minutes there was hope...
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I actually think the price will have a factor, if they are going to take on the Kamado market with this thing I think they should have offered $1500 features @ $800 price point
If they were trying to sell it to our end of the market, thats exactly what they would have done. They're not, though. They see big profit margins on these grills when they're priced to compete with the BGE/KJ.
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I actually think the price will have a factor, if they are going to take on the Kamado market with this thing I think they should have offered $1500 features @ $800 price point
If they were trying to sell it to our end of the market, thats exactly what they would have done. They're not, though. They see big profit margins on these grills when they're priced to compete with the BGE/KJ.
Well, as I said before the amount of 1% ers has increased greatly in the past 20 or so years so there are more uber wealthy people to market this too.
I am going to stop being so critical, it looks nice. Although I wonder how many in the market they are looking for (those who might have the cash for a summit gasser) will want to "mess" with charcoal.
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After seeing pictures and reading amazing ribs review the only thing I see as interesting to me is the double walled lid and bowl. Again that is just my personal opinion.
I can buy a new performer for $400. If the only real advantage I see is the double insulation I cannot justify the $1500+ price tag.
I am very interested to see how the double insulated walls compare to a big green egg. The Big Green Egg walls seem thicker but I have not been able to see these new cookers in person.
If they are going for a high end market why did they leave the old charcoal leg sockets on the grill? Unless they plan on making a cheaper version in the future with the old legs that is really goofy.
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Great discussion! I really like Troy's car analogy. I'm having trouble pinning down what this thing would be if it were a car. CTS-V? GS-F? Equus? Probably not an S-Class, 7-Series, Porsche, or Ferrari. :)
Let's not forget that the current charcoal offerings provide amazing value and those should be around for a very long time. I think there are many of us here that ARE in the target market. Our members are diverse but all enjoy some aspects of the Weber product line. We are all Weber enthusiasts, after all!
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Although I wonder how many in the market they are looking for (those who might have the cash for a summit gasser) will want to "mess" with charcoal.
Quite a few, actually. I read this earlier today, can't remember where (maybe here?) and I was a little surprised: Charcoal Grills are the fastest growing segment of the grill market right now. 46% Growth iirc?
I think the key is going to break down to the status symbol: Is someone who is willing to spend $2k on a grill going to see "elite status" in the Weber name? If not, they won't buy it.
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Guess Another Pint Please was behind all those teaser shots:
http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill
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"Status" is spending $$ on vintage kettles for a shiny collection. Just because somebody might have $2K to spend on a charcoal kettle let's not please assume they don't know value, whaddya all say?
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I have been on plenty of Kamado sites, they are not all doctors and lawyers, I'm not going to devalue myself. These kinds of things are what people get into, high end stereo's, military collectables, RC airplanes, they are all expensive hobbies, and for the most part normal everyday people collect it. There are plenty of people here on this site that have spent lots and lots of money of the very kettles we all own. I'm not going to sit and think these are for the uber wealthy....from what I have seen this grill is the price of two yellow kettles....let's calm down a little. It's an awesome grill for a different market. I don't know why people get mad when a huge company in a capitalist market makes money? Of course they want to make money, also from working at one of these large companies nothing is done without tons and tons of research. They have researched and targeted a market, and why not, Weber is number one name in grilling, I bet they do awesome with the best product, I would buy this before an egg.....and I bet lots of people in this market will too
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Guess Another Pint Please was behind all those teaser shots:
http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill
@AnotherPintPlease oh yeah? Nice work, as always Mike!
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I'd get one if I had the money. And I also don't expect Weber to specifically target me. I want color, color, color. Wish they would make this in blue. Another Weber product to add to the wish list.
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Id like to see how the innovations on this grill apply to the grills in the future.
They put leg sockets on an odd sized kettle that dont use the sockets, and the sockets have a hole in them they never had before.
Maybe this grill uses the 26" kettle with a insert to make it double walled.
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"Status" is spending $$ on vintage kettles for a shiny collection. Just because somebody might have $2K to spend on a charcoal kettle let's not please assume they don't know value, whaddya all say?
I have been on plenty of Kamado sites, they are not all doctors and lawyers, I'm not going to devalue myself. These kinds of things are what people get into, high end stereo's, military collectables, RC airplanes, they are all expensive hobbies, and for the most part normal everyday people collect it. There are plenty of people here on this site that have spent lots and lots of money of the very kettles we all own. I'm not going to sit and think these are for the uber wealthy....from what I have seen this grill is the price of two yellow kettles....let's calm down a little. It's an awesome grill for a different market. I don't know why people get mad when a huge company in a capitalist market makes money? Of course they want to make money, also from working at one of these large companies nothing is done without tons and tons of research. They have researched and targeted a market, and why not, Weber is number one name in grilling, I bet they do awesome with the best product, I would buy this before an egg.....and I bet lots of people in this market will too
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I think both of you are misunderstanding what I mean. No question, not everyone who enjoys high end hobbies is only a doctor or lawyer. I was not trying to be absolute in my comments. But @zavod44 you hit the mark on what I am driving at. Weber did a lot of research on where to position this product. They didn't do this on a whim or because some product dev guy lost a bet. You're right, there are plenty of enthusiasts (purists?) who will want to buy this product. But for every one of those, there are 4-5+ who have disposable income and will only be buying it because it is expensive, wouldn't you agree?
I'm not mad, I'm fascinated by this product. I do hope it does well, and like the BGE, after it has been out for a couple of years, they introduce a "basic" model that is closer to the $1k mark.
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I would buy this before an egg.....
Agreed. It is quite a nice grill and I will bet it holds temperatures very nicely. However, it's also quite fancy and to me fancy means more gadgetry to clean and fail and replace. One of the major reasons I came back to charcoal and the kettle was simplicity. In my view the kettle simply out performs in bang for your buck. This Summit is pretty to look at though and like many of you have said earlier, when we can find one in a garage sale or what not for MUCH cheaper I will probably purchase. More color choices would be spectacular.
They put leg sockets on an odd sized kettle that dont use the sockets, and the sockets have a hole in them they never had before.
Yeah, throwing me off a little. I understand they're there to hold the OT but... now I can't un-see.
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The performer has the leg sockets too, I can't remember anyone complaining about those?
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Id like to see how the innovations on this grill apply to the grills in the future.
They put leg sockets on an odd sized kettle that dont use the sockets, and the sockets have a hole in them they never had before.
Maybe this grill uses the 26" kettle with a insert to make it double walled.
The hole is for those little quick release buttons to hold in the legs on normal kettles. They updated those recently.
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Guess Another Pint Please was behind all those teaser shots:
http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill
@AnotherPintPlease oh yeah? Nice work, as always Mike!
Thanks!! And thanks to @Jtayres, too! I've been lurking here for weeks watching all of the speculation. Even though I've had it since last year, I've been just as excited for today to come as everyone else.
This about sums it all up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLw88CZkDQ
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The performer has the leg sockets too, I can't remember anyone complaining about those?
LOL but I can understand those. I dig the grill, I really do, but now it's kind of funny looking with almost useless sockets. I know, before anyone says anything, not useless. They hold the OT ash can. ;)
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Wasn't one of the versions on legs using the sockets?
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I'd like to get my hands on one of these, but I'm always hesitant to buy the first run of just about anything new. I'll let someone else be the guinea pig. (plus that gives me a year to save up!)
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@zavod44 Don't believe so. I only saw two versions on the grillofalifetime link. One looked just like a fancy performer and the other seemed to be in a stand not unlike the original stand that held the buoys.
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I just looked your right the legs mount on the side....
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Your internet connection is WAY faster than mine atm. Dang, the IT's here have one job... ;D
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This makes WAY BETTER sense than owning a Boat, yet living 2 hours from the water...
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Guess Another Pint Please was behind all those teaser shots:
http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill (http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill)
@AnotherPintPlease oh yeah? Nice work, as always Mike!
Thanks!! And thanks to @Jtayres, too! I've been lurking here for weeks watching all of the speculation. Even though I've had it since last year, I've been just as excited for today to come as everyone else.
This about sums it all up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLw88CZkDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLw88CZkDQ)
@AnotherPintPlease
Really good work and fantastic photography. How you kept this secret for months is beyond me. Thanks for the teasers.
Winz
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I want see if that defuser grate will fit in my 26
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... How you kept this secret for months is beyond me. ...
Aye, but a signed NDA is a powerful incentive, too!
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Me too, but there is the problem of the 26 only having 1 level for charcoal. The diffuser works when the middle charcoal grate is in the lower position on the SCG.
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Howdy fellas, I haven't posted here in awhile but I might be able to add something to this talk. I haven't posted because over a year ago I bought a Kamado Joe Big Joe model. Since then it has pushed the rest of my grills and WSM out of the rotation. I still enjoy the look of a Weber kettle but I can't deny the multi functional qualities my KJ has. If you ever see one in person check out the grate system. The cooking grate is split in half with two different heights it can be set at. It has a cast iron grate, and a cast iron griddle that can be added on. The heat deflector is split as well so you can use multiple settings with your charcoal placement. It all adds up to being able to play with your food more, it really is fun.
There will always be a market for the standard kettle model and it's true that you can use it to do 90% of what my KJ can do. What my KJ does though is make each cook seem like more of a event. Hopefully Weber can tap into the "event" cooker market. As for places they can improve on the Kamado experience, price would have been nice but they seem to have skipped that. Hinges are issues with some Kamados and the Weber one looks nice. Weight and portability is another area they could exploit. Finally, ash removal is a big issue with some and it looks like Weber nailed that one. I'll be curious to see if charcoal efficiency is as good as most Kamados. Also I'm going to be curious about how long it'll be able to run going low and slow. All in all I'm excited and I'm pretty sure there's a post from me a couple of years ago asking if Weber would ever make a double walled Kamado , should I call my lawyer??
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Is calling the bowl on this "insulated" a misnomer? It looks like the bowl has a huge heat shield above the charcoal grate but is not actually sealed at the bottom.
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Gummie I think they mean insulated from the outer layer, not charcoal isolated from food.
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Before this announcement I really thought there was going to be a huge number of Performers to hit Craig's List with folks trading up. Don't really see that happening now but maybe there are folks out there with incredible wealth that are gonna trade up. Just don't see a whole lot of these selling. An interesting poll would be the results of the closest sized Kamado Joe at its retail price vs closest size BGE at its current retail price vs the SCG at its current retail price. Which do you think would get the most votes on here and if the same poll was posted on BBQ Brethren.
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Gummie I think they mean insulated from the outer layer, not charcoal isolated from food.
I realize what I said was misleading. I meant that there was a second kettle bowl wall ("heat shield") around the fire box in addition to the ss dish heat shield. The two walls don't look sealed to each other.
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You mean this?...
"It terminates, open-ended, at the lower coal grate position allowing hot air to be trapped between the outer and inner walls."
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You mean this?...
"It terminates, open-ended, at the lower coal grate position allowing hot air to be trapped between the outer and inner walls."
Correct.
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Bet you anything the $1500 version is without a table and the $1750 version comes with a table and/ or basket storage
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nailed it on the head? 8)
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Wheres a video showing how to reload fuel past the grill grate, past the diffuser and not having a mess on your hands...
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That's the Rapidfire® Variable Insulation™
Weber's innovative Rapidfire® Variable Insulation™ allows for the air insulation to be controlled by the placement of the movable charcoal grate.
By moving the grate up, the "double walled" insulation helps the grill to remain warm while allowing you to get the perfect sear on your meats. By moving the grate down, the heated air is trapped and helps maintain temperatures during your long smokes.
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Personally I have no need for it. Got a few 22s, an 18, and a 22 WSM. Have figured out how to control temps pretty good at this point. Can smoke in any of them, can sear in all but my WSM, can even grill at very hot temps in my WSM.
That being said, if I was in the market for an "Egg" cooker, smoker, grill or whatever else those things do, I wouldn't think twice about buying the new summit charcoal grill. I spend frivolous amounts of money weekly on things I don't need at target cause I am an impulse buyer, buy $20 a lb coffee, shoot my guns pretty often which gets very expensive. I could easily save $100 a month and pay for it in cash in a little over a years time. Even better, I could buy it now by opening a new credit card with 0% for 18 months and pay it off that way. But I just don't have a need for it at this time.
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Wheres a video showing how to reload fuel past the grill grate, past the diffuser and not having a mess on your hands...
these insulated cookers run for weeks on a single cup of charcoal... at least that's how the BGE snobs make it sound :P
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I like the engineering of the L-shaped vents at the bottom of the bowl in the summit, as it seems it would provide the OT system a more refined method of air control than the existing vents. I'll likely steal that idea from them and use it on a beater kettle.
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So, I have devised a plan... I'm going to get that vent and that thermo to put on my performer... Maybe find another thing or two to Frankenstein onto my performer as well... then, once the "Genesis Charcoal" comes out, I'll give them my $800 and add it to my family... assuming it comes in crimson, of course. :)
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Skimming through as many social media places and forums as I can find so far, and the overall reaction is "great looking grill, terrible price point. Should be $999." Most folks are not seeing the value compared to a BGE. Time will tell, I know, but I expected to see a lot more positive reaction than I have seen so far.
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...I'll be curious to see if charcoal efficiency is as good as most Kamados. Also I'm going to be curious about how long it'll be able to run going low and slow.
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Would 15 hours on 3.25 cups of charcoal qualify as "...good as most Kamados"?
http://amazingribs.com/BBQ_buyers_guide/summit-weber-charcoal-grill.html
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Wheres a video showing how to reload fuel past the grill grate, past the diffuser and not having a mess on your hands...
The grill grate as well as the diffuser have the flip sides in them in case you need to reload but...
If you set the grill up properly, you won't have to reload charcoal. I've never had to reload. Most of the time after long smokes I have unused charcoal left in the bottom of the bowl.
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Wheres a video showing how to reload fuel past the grill grate, past the diffuser and not having a mess on your hands...
these insulated cookers run for weeks on a single cup of charcoal... at least that's how the BGE snobs make it sound :P
Maybe a charcoal ring for a minion? Where is the tool to open the diffuser to reload? The ad says easy fuel loading for longer cooks :o
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Wheres a video showing how to reload fuel past the grill grate, past the diffuser and not having a mess on your hands...
these insulated cookers run for weeks on a single cup of charcoal... at least that's how the BGE snobs make it sound :P
Maybe a charcoal ring for a minion? Where is the tool to open the diffuser to reload? The ad says easy fuel loading for longer cooks :o
This video shows how to add fuel when the diffuser plate is installed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeXaFcsL44
Check around the 2:05 mark.
And if I'm not mistaken, member @AnotherPintPlease is starring in the aforementioned video.
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Isn't this almost an apples and oranges discussion? Lets face it the Kamado style cookers are the ultimate in cooking....thats not to say the kettles aren't good, you can certainly cook on them as we all have done. It's like a Rolls Royce and a Yugo, they both drive you to work, one just happens to be nicer, a lot nicer. The kettle is a good versatile cooker that you can do a lot with, but I'm not gonna deny that the Kamado Joes and the BGE aren't great. We here just prefer kettles, I'm not sure there is a lot of comparison though. I have an old Imperial Kamado and the fuel consumption is crazy, it will just go and go and go on the same pile of coal this isn't a secret to anyone. With a new BGE you need to buy a bunch of stuff, a stand, and the side tables and a few other parts, once you get all the stuff the prices are pretty close between the XL BGE and the SCG....
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Skimming through as many social media places and forums as I can find so far, and the overall reaction is "great looking grill, terrible price point. Should be $999." Most folks are not seeing the value compared to a BGE. Time will tell, I know, but I expected to see a lot more positive reaction than I have seen so far.
that's because its new and everyone is familiar with current weber charcoal products and their prices.
no one is ranting about how ridiculous big green eggs, primos, komodo kamados are..... because they've already accepted it.
I think the price is right.
Everyone thought Tesla was insane, now the auto industry is flipped upside down.
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To anyone that may have missed it, check out the test by amazingribs. Lonnnnggggggg cook times :)
http://amazingribs.com/BBQ_buyers_guide/summit-weber-charcoal-grill.html
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Wheres a video showing how to reload fuel past the grill grate, past the diffuser and not having a mess on your hands...
these insulated cookers run for weeks on a single cup of charcoal... at least that's how the BGE snobs make it sound :P
Maybe a charcoal ring for a minion? Where is the tool to open the diffuser to reload? The ad says easy fuel loading for longer cooks :o
This video shows how to add fuel when the diffuser plate is installed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeXaFcsL44
Check around the 2:05 mark.
And if I'm not mistaken, member @AnotherPintPlease is starring in the aforementioned video.
Thanks! They have a bunch of videos, did't see this one. Looks like there is a tool. Wonder if it comes with gloves :o Looks like it is a hand load replenishment system.
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Isn't this almost an apples and oranges discussion? Lets face it the Kamado style cookers are the ultimate in cooking....thats not to say the kettles aren't good, you can certainly cook on them as we all have done. It's like a Rolls Royce and a Yugo, they both drive you to work, one just happens to be nicer, a lot nicer. The kettle is a good versatile cooker that you can do a lot with, but I'm not gonna deny that the Kamado Joes and the BGE aren't great. We here just prefer kettles, I'm not sure there is a lot of comparison though. I have an old Imperial Kamado and the fuel consumption is crazy, it will just go and go and go on the same pile of coal this isn't a secret to anyone. With a new BGE you need to buy a bunch of stuff, a stand, and the side tables and a few other parts, once you get all the stuff the prices are pretty close between the XL BGE and the SCG....
exactly
the grill i WANT is over 6000.
I know my weber kettles can do anything that the 6k grill can do (aside from ultra efficient fuel usage) - but I still want the grill because its freaking gorgeous and its incredibly well made.
i'll probably get the summit charcoal. maybe not as an early adopter, but i think eventually I will have one.
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that is butt ugly.
just black right?
no yellow, white, baby blue?
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I don't know anything about BGE's ... do they have features like these two do? Gas start, ash sweeps, the rest?
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lime green? red?
purple?
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that is butt ugly.
just black right?
no yellow, white, baby blue?
there's a reason those colors are vintage and euro.... because america doesn't buy them.
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I am definitely factoring in the BGE end of it, @Troy.
I guess what I am trying to say is this will definitely be a good case study in branding.
One reason everyone accepts the pricing for BGE, BMW, Beretta shotguns, Apple MacBooks, and other premium brands is because they don't have a choice. There is no entry level BGE. Weber is known for cheap but effective kettles.
Will Weber be able to overcome the perception? VW couldn't with the Phaeton.
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that is butt ugly.
just black right?
no yellow, white, baby blue?
I just read they were going to make a Green a Yellow and blue, but since you said it was butt ugly they decided no scrap the idea.....sad face
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So, if I sell my 22" Performer, 22" WSM, 22" M/T, Genesis EP-320 AND my Traeger Texas I'd have enough to put a downpayment on a new SCG Grilling Center! :o
Wait... how many sq. in. is the new Summit??
My wife would be happy with one grill in the yard but other than that I see no sense on the cost/benefit analysis. Don't get me wrong. Looks like a fantastic grill and I'll be envious of anyone who gets one. The price just isn't justified. I could afford it if I wanted to but I won't. I'm so disappointed in the pricing decision by Weber. There are comparable grills out there for A LOT less...
(http://www.broilkingbbq.com/img/grills/91150/grill_over_91150.png)
I saw this one today for $1250 CDN. I get that Weber is gonna be better built, designed, etc. and want to position themselves as the more premium option but DOUBLE the price? Seriously. In Canada the Summit Grilling Center model is $2499!!
http://www.bbqs.com/summit-charcoal-grilling-center.html (http://www.bbqs.com/summit-charcoal-grilling-center.html)
Did I mention I'm disappointed?
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I am definitely factoring in the BGE end of it, @Troy.
I guess what I am trying to say is this will definitely be a good case study in branding.
One reason everyone accepts the pricing for BGE, BMW, Beretta shotguns, Apple MacBooks, and other premium brands is because they don't have a choice. There is no entry level BGE. Weber is known for cheap but effective kettles.
Will Weber be able to overcome the perception? VW couldn't with the Phaeton.
There all kinds of crap cheapo Kamados at Menards, go check them out....bobo kegs and other stuff, they look as cheap as they are priced....
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And Akorns, etc. But they are not BGEs.
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Guess Another Pint Please was behind all those teaser shots:
http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill
@AnotherPintPlease oh yeah? Nice work, as always Mike!
Thanks!! And thanks to @Jtayres, too! I've been lurking here for weeks watching all of the speculation. Even though I've had it since last year, I've been just as excited for today to come as everyone else.
This about sums it all up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLw88CZkDQ
Thank you, Mike! I look forward to seeing all that you do with this thing. [emoji6]
Guess Another Pint Please was behind all those teaser shots:
http://www.anotherpintplease.com/home/2016/4/the-weber-summit-charcoal-grill
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I am definitely factoring in the BGE end of it, @Troy.
I guess what I am trying to say is this will definitely be a good case study in branding.
One reason everyone accepts the pricing for BGE, BMW, Beretta shotguns, Apple MacBooks, and other premium brands is because they don't have a choice. There is no entry level BGE. Weber is known for cheap but effective kettles.
Will Weber be able to overcome the perception? VW couldn't with the Phaeton.
It's more complicated than that.
I've never even heard of the Phaeton, and I've been driving a VW for 2 years.
BGE and Apple both marketed to snobs. Surround yourself with BGE or apple fans and you'll hear many of the same types of comments.
"Food cooked on my BGE tastes 10 times better than any other grill"
"my mac NEVER crashes, it just works"
"macs don't get viruses, they're just intuitive"
Apple, and BGEs, both have some awesome qualities - but the things that their vocal raving fan audience speak of are pretty much 100% bullshit.
no one ever says, "i realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
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Howdy fellas, I haven't posted here in awhile but I might be able to add something to this talk. I haven't posted because over a year ago I bought a Kamado Joe Big Joe model. Since then it has pushed the rest of my grills and WSM out of the rotation. I still enjoy the look of a Weber kettle but I can't deny the multi functional qualities my KJ has. If you ever see one in person check out the grate system. The cooking grate is split in half with two different heights it can be set at. It has a cast iron grate, and a cast iron griddle that can be added on. The heat deflector is split as well so you can use multiple settings with your charcoal placement. It all adds up to being able to play with your food more, it really is fun.
There will always be a market for the standard kettle model and it's true that you can use it to do 90% of what my KJ can do. What my KJ does though is make each cook seem like more of a event. Hopefully Weber can tap into the "event" cooker market. As for places they can improve on the Kamado experience, price would have been nice but they seem to have skipped that. Hinges are issues with some Kamados and the Weber one looks nice. Weight and portability is another area they could exploit. Finally, ash removal is a big issue with some and it looks like Weber nailed that one. I'll be curious to see if charcoal efficiency is as good as most Kamados. Also I'm going to be curious about how long it'll be able to run going low and slow. All in all I'm excited and I'm pretty sure there's a post from me a couple of years ago asking if Weber would ever make a double walled Kamado , should I call my lawyer??
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Are you selling off all your other grills?
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$2000 delivered for the one I want!
Too expensive for me but.
I also hunt... Teachers spend $6000 on a Honda 4 wheeler, $1000 on a rifle & mid priced scope.
$1000 on a rigged bow.
$40,000 on a used 4 wheel drive truck!
I fish , a bass boat used will cost $20,000 & you need a vehicle to tow.
Outdoor cooking is a CHEAP hobby!!!
If I wasn't being retired 4/30/17 I'd try to get one
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I agree with you, Troy. But that's the market weber is targeting here. That's my point and why I am concerned.
The Phaeton was a $90k luxury sedan VW tried to sell 10 years ago. They thought people would buy a $90k VW.
They were wrong. Folks who had $90k to drop on a German car bought a BMW Mercedes or Audi. They didn't see the allure of a luxury VW, and traditional VW buyers were not about to spend that much on a VW.
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I have a Kamado in my back yard and a few weber kettles.
After watching a few videos this thing will do all I want in a grill. In fact, not that I want to but I could get rid of my performer and my Kamado.
I use my Kamado almost exclusively for smoking, I never grill on it, it is awesome for overnight cooks. When I grill, I go to my Webers so most of my cooking is on my Webers.
The more I look at this thing the more it grows on me. Some day, I will see on of these used for $300, and I will be the first one to pick it up.
First reaction was "Wha", saw the price I was like "Heck Nah" watched a few videos and research and started to think, that could be in my back yard someday. At the right price.
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I agree with you, Troy. But that's the market weber is targeting here. That's my point and why I am concerned.
The Phaeton was a $90k luxury sedan VW tried to sell 10 years ago. They thought people would buy a $90k VW.
They were wrong. Folks who had $90k to drop on a German car bought a BMW Mercedes or Audi. They didn't see the allure of a luxury VW, and traditional VW buyers were not about to spend that much on a VW.
what i'm saying is, without knowing all of their marketing efforts - the failure of that car cannot be pinned on audience expectations.
weber knows that the average kettle crowd is not in the market for a charcoal summit. They didn't design it for the $100 grill buyer.
I would bet that 95% of kettle owners haven't stepped foot inside a store that sells BGE within the last year.
Don't get me wrong though, they have obstacles to overcome.
They better have a kickass marketing strategy to go along with this beast.
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I have a Kamado in my back yard and a few weber kettles.
After watching a few videos this thing will do all I want in a grill. In fact, not that I want to but I could get rid of my performer and my Kamado.
I use my Kamado almost exclusively for smoking, I never grill on it, it is awesome for overnight cooks. When I grill, I go to my Webers so most of my cooking is on my Webers.
The more I look at this thing the more it grows on me. Some day, I will see on of these used for $300, and I will be the first one to pick it up.
First reaction was "Wha", saw the price I was like "Heck Nah" watched a few videos and research and started to think, that could be in my back yard someday. At the right price.
I knew you'd come around after drinking your kool aid coffee
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I sure hope my KettlePizza adaptor fits …. It will become by dedicated KP-only cooker.
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Five Weber Performer Deluxes or one Weber Charcoal Summit Grilling Center... Decisions, decisions.
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Five Weber Performer Deluxes or one Weber Charcoal Summit Grilling Center... Decisions, decisions.
Or you can buy 1500 bottles of water!
or rent a lambo for a full day!!
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You can throw this in the back of the truck , you don't have to pony up for a nest , a place setter , exclusive charcoal and all that . Plus this is easy to clean , simple to light and its far less intimidating then a Kamado oh and it won't crack and its a Weber , pretty easy sell
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I have a Kamado in my back yard and a few weber kettles.
After watching a few videos this thing will do all I want in a grill. In fact, not that I want to but I could get rid of my performer and my Kamado.
I use my Kamado almost exclusively for smoking, I never grill on it, it is awesome for overnight cooks. When I grill, I go to my Webers so most of my cooking is on my Webers.
The more I look at this thing the more it grows on me. Some day, I will see on of these used for $300, and I will be the first one to pick it up.
First reaction was "Wha", saw the price I was like "Heck Nah" watched a few videos and research and started to think, that could be in my back yard someday. At the right price.
I'm with you. A little blown away by the price but not that surprised. After watching the amazing ribs video I think this is a really cool grill. It really combines the best of both worlds.
I get the pricing...they are trying to compete with a much higher dollar market. Even if they offered the one under $1000, hell even like $850 most of us in this group would still think it is over priced, but that is because we love our kettles. Splurging for us means spending a few extra bucks on a used Performer! And I can't wait to run into someone with a Summit Charcoal who is telling me all of the things they can do with it and I tell them "my kettle can do that to" to each one of them!!!!
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I am certainly interested. $2k for a cooker that I will use for the next 10 years = ~$17/month. Three less Starbucks lattes per month is a small price to pay for something that feeds my passion for outdoor cooking.
Winz
Well said.
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there's a reason those colors are vintage and euro.... because america doesn't buy them.
you're in america. i'm in america. we buy grills that aren't black.
maybe we aren't the majority, but we're part of the market.
it would cost them a few more bucks, so if it's a success, i wouldn't be surprised if some colors made it in the line up down the road.
copper would look pretty bad ass. in an ugly way.
I just read they were going to make a Green a Yellow and blue, but since you said it was butt ugly they decided no scrap the idea.....sad face
already have green, yellow and blue. not a big deal .
also, ugly doesn't always mean bad.
i've owned some great ugly things. i drove to school in a '78 AMC Gremlin, and i loved it.
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You in a Gremlin....now I understand
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it was rolling birth control thanks to my parents. i didn't pay for the thing.
the first car i bought was a '74 cutlass with a rocket 455. ;)
which in it's own way, was kinda ugly.
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I am curious about the width of the frame on the 3 wheeler and if a 26 kettle will fit in it.
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So these super insulated cookers - what are the other benefits besides using less fuel? Please tell me there is more to it than that.
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Long time Mac user here. The appeal for me is 50% hardware, 50% software, 50% user experience, 50% intangible.
Doesn't add up to 100? Not my problem.
It would be wise to keep platform wars out of this.
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I have no doubt this will perform very well and make some great food. If I was in the market for one I would definitely get this over a BGE but for now my Akorn will suffice for my needs in this area, but maybe someday...
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I'm sad, very limited spots for some zavod44 bling
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I love my mac. It's 4 years old and runs as good as the day I got it. I've never had another laptop do that. Also, it's extremely light and portable and works seamlessly with my other apple products which saves me a ton of time. The screen is beautiful and sharp and yes, it's never gotten a virus and I think it's crashed once in 4 years. (That's not snobbery...it's a good thing when computers don't crash, right?!?)
Also the track pad is fantastic.
I've used other computers. This one is better than the other's I've had. I'm not a snob. I'm just happy with this purchase.
Weird to attack and generalize people based on what type of computer they buy.
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You'd think for the price they're asking that they would include a handle light like they do on the Summit gas grills?
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You'd think for the price they're asking that they would include a handle light like they do on the Summit gas grills?
On this note does this come with a cover?
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You'd think for the price they're asking that they would include a handle light like they do on the Summit gas grills?
On this note does this come with a cover?
That was the other thing I was wondering about? Keep in mind that the most expensive charcoal grill that Weber offered up until yesterday, (Ranch Kettle) still doesn't have a cover.
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I love my mac. It's 4 years old and runs as good as the day I got it. I've never had another laptop do that. Also, it's extremely light and portable and works seamlessly with my other apple products which saves me a ton of time. The screen is beautiful and sharp and yes, it's never gotten a virus and I think it's crashed once in 4 years. (That's not snobbery...it's a good thing when computers don't crash, right?!?)
Also the track pad is fantastic.
I've used other computers. This one is better than the other's I've had. I'm not a snob. I'm just happy with this purchase.
Weird to attack and generalize people based on what type of computer they buy.
There was no attack.
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I like to fly fish. I like the challenge of catching a big fish on light tackle, I like being able to take a bare hook and tie on some feathers and hair and fool a fish into thinking it's something he wants to eat. That being said I know that there are other fly fishermen who are pompous, snotty, stuck up condescending jerks who couldn't "fish" to save their lives, it's all a lifestyle appearance thing to them. I know that by using the same equipment they do I'm going to get lumped in with them by some but I really don't care. I get out of it what I want and could care less what others think.
The Kamado thing is like that. I love my KJ, I know it's expensive, I know I didn't "need" it, but I love it. I'm glad Webers done this. Hopefully it'll be like the car companies where good ideas that first show up in their high end models filter down into their base models.
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$2000 delivered for the one I want!
Too expensive for me but.
I also hunt... Teachers spend $6000 on a Honda 4 wheeler, $1000 on a rifle & mid priced scope.
$1000 on a rigged bow.
$40,000 on a used 4 wheel drive truck!
I fish , a bass boat used will cost $20,000 & you need a vehicle to tow.
Outdoor cooking is a CHEAP hobby!!!
If I wasn't being retired 4/30/17 I'd try to get one
Have to agree with that 100%......cooking is certainly the cheapest hobby I have, but yet it is probably the most consistently rewarding. The others involve a lot more planning, time, and money. I really got serious about cooking a few years ago when my first daughter was born. We stopped going places as often and I needed something to keep me busy at home. Grilling/smoking was the answer. I now have a 2nd daughter, so 2 kids under 3yrs old plus a step daughter who is graduating HS this year. I haven't hunted, fished, camped, offroaded my Jeep, and I've barely ridden my motorcycles (3) other than an occasional commute. No time for much of any of it currently. I could easily liquidate a few of those toys and make a Summit Charcoal happen. In fact, I might.......just not until I see one in person, and not at full retail.
If it sticks around, I'm sure I'll end up with one at some point. I think it could replace my Performer for daily use, and I could be wrong, but I DON'T think it could replace my 22 WSM. At least once a year I load it up with around 50lbs of pork butts for a large party. I know they claim more "cooking area" than a 22 WSM with an elevated rack, but I'm not talking about a 1" thick T-bone. I need some vertical clearance. If I get a look at one in person and decide I can jamb that much pig in it......I'll have one sooner than later and will remove the performer and WSM from my stash.
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no one ever says, "i realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
maybe not about grills.
but gibson wouldn't be around if guitar players didn't feel that way.
that's exactly what they say, which is complete horse feces.
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If it sticks around, I'm sure I'll end up with one at some point. I think it could replace my Performer for daily use, and I could be wrong, but I DON'T think it could replace my 22 WSM. At least once a year I load it up with around 50lbs of pork butts for a large party. I know they claim more "cooking area" than a 22 WSM with an elevated rack, but I'm not talking about a 1" thick T-bone. I need some vertical clearance. If I get a look at one in person and decide I can jamb that much pig in it......I'll have one sooner than later and will remove the performer and WSM from my stash.
Actually, there is a video on YouTube showing two large pork shoulders smoking quite nicely on that upper rack while a large brisket cooks underneath. I think the cooking space claim is legit.
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I personally am not a buyer but am interested to see how it fares.
Another thing we are not taking into consideration is this isn't a kettle replacement. They are NOT going to mass roll these out to every home depot and lowes across the country. I believe they said they are going to roll it out in select independent BBQ stores etc. These are going to be presented at BBQ stores next to Eggs, kamandos etc. These aren't going to be in walmart next to a $20 square knock off grills. I don't think Weber has the intention of being the every mans grill. They may sell 1,000 kettles to 20 of these summit charcoal cookers but that is to be expected.
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I personally am not a buyer but am interested to see how it fares.
Another thing we are not taking into consideration is this isn't a kettle replacement. They are NOT going to mass roll these out to every home depot and lowes across the country. I believe they said they are going to roll it out in select independent BBQ stores etc. These are going to be presented at BBQ stores next to Eggs, kamandos etc. These aren't going to be in walmart next to a $20 square knock off grills. I don't think Weber has the intention of being the every mans grill. They may sell 1,000 kettles to 20 of these summit charcoal cookers but that is to be expected.
And from Weber's perspective this makes a ton of sense. At this stage of the game, Weber isn't going to expand it's brand and market share in the charcoal kettle market, they already command the top spot in that arena. For the company to grow it's about expanding into new markets. This does that.
One of the reasons I think we are seeing the reactions we are seeing is because their build up campaign seemed to be targeting the existing charcoal grill community and not the kamado grill/smoker community. They hyped the product to the wrong audience.
In the end, people who don't see the value in it won't buy it, but I suspect those who walk into a BBQ store to look at a BGE and see this sitting next to it will give it serious consideration. Easy ash removal, lighter to move around, no danger of cracking it and making it useless. I foresee the Summit Charcoal Grill being a successful product for Weber, and just like they sell a bunch more Spirit and Genesis grills than Summit gassers, they will sell a ton more traditional kettles than they will SCGs.
I do suspect the SGC will outsell the Ranch Kettle.
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@AZRaptor , I agree. Weber is simply reaching for a part of the market they don't command. It is a very interesting cooker, but the price point is not designed for tightwads like myself.
I do see it being successful in the intended market. Maybe in 20 years I'll own a 2016 SCG lol
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I agree with you, Troy. But that's the market weber is targeting here. That's my point and why I am concerned.
The Phaeton was a $90k luxury sedan VW tried to sell 10 years ago. They thought people would buy a $90k VW.
They were wrong. Folks who had $90k to drop on a German car bought a BMW Mercedes or Audi. They didn't see the allure of a luxury VW, and traditional VW buyers were not about to spend that much on a VW.
I disagree with this argument.
I don't think of Weber as a budget brand. If you take a look at what wal mart, target, or Kmart sells in their grill section that is budget. Weber is constantly more expensive then those grills often with less gadgetry.
Just like how you can get into a BMW in the moderate price range (32,850 starting for the 2 series) you can do the same with Weber and their kettles. But a performer with gas assist is going to set you back more than what most people spend on their charcoal grills. I remember telling a friend I was buying a new charcoal grill for 400 bucks and he thought I was crazy.
I think Weber is similar to BMW with their commitment to a quality build and trying to build brand loyalty opposed to just selling cheap crap. Not that VW builds crap, but they do not command the same type of cult-like loyalty that BMW or Weber do.
As far as the price goes, Weber is already in that price range with the gas summit. I think it makes sense to be there with the charcoal grills too. The thing that is missing now is the charcoal genesis .
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I'm not sure the asking price is totally crazy either. I had considered buying a XL Primo a few times over the last few years. Some of the things that were holding me back were the hassle of getting to the fuel, lighting that fuel, and cleaning out the ash. All things that Weber has had nailed down for years. That XL Primo sitting on a cart retails for $2000. The basic grill without a stand is $1300. If this thing cooks as well as it advertises, and we already know how well the one touch system and gas assist work......I think it will be a serious hit.
I sincerely hope they sell a decent cover for it and not the useless garbage Weber is currently selling. I bought two brand new covers last year, one for my Genesis and one for my Performer.......after less than one season, they are both completely shot. Multiple holes, cracks everywhere, almost impossible to install/remove under 60 degrees. I would have been better off with a blue tarp and a handful of bungees. If they pull that crap on a $2000 grill, they are going to have some serious pissed off customers. As is, I will never buy another Weber cover unless I see a design change back to the old style covers that lasted 10yrs or something comparable......but thats a different rant :)
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I disagree with this argument.
I don't think of Weber as a budget brand. If you take a look at what wal mart, target, or Kmart sells in their grill section that is budget. Weber is constantly more expensive then those grills often with less gadgetry.
Just like how you can get into a BMW in the moderate price range (32,850 starting for the 2 series) you can do the same with Weber and their kettles. But a performer with gas assist is going to set you back more than what most people spend on their charcoal grills. I remember telling a friend I was buying a new charcoal grill for 400 bucks and he thought I was crazy.
I think Weber is similar to BMW with their commitment to a quality build and trying to build brand loyalty opposed to just selling cheap crap. Not that VW builds crap, but they do not command the same type of cult-like loyalty that BMW or Weber do.
As far as the price goes, Weber is already in that price range with the gas summit. I think it makes sense to be there with the charcoal grills too. The thing that is missing now is the charcoal genesis .
You make some fair points about Weber's positioning against other brands in large retailers.
You're definitely wrong about VW not having a cult-like loyalty out there, however. There is a very large and brand loyal VW contingent out there. Don't get me started about the still thriving, darn near psychopathic in their loyalty air-cooled subset.
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no one ever says, "i realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
maybe not about grills.
but gibson wouldn't be around if guitar players didn't feel that way.
that's exactly what they say, which is complete horse feces.
It doesn't make sense to say people state a preference for Gibson and then declare that the reason they provide isn't real.
It's not real for YOU, which is of course quite different.
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I agree with you, Troy. But that's the market weber is targeting here. That's my point and why I am concerned.
The Phaeton was a $90k luxury sedan VW tried to sell 10 years ago. They thought people would buy a $90k VW.
They were wrong. Folks who had $90k to drop on a German car bought a BMW Mercedes or Audi. They didn't see the allure of a luxury VW, and traditional VW buyers were not about to spend that much on a VW.
I disagree with this argument.
I don't think of Weber as a budget brand. If you take a look at what wal mart, target, or Kmart sells in their grill section that is budget. Weber is constantly more expensive then those grills often with less gadgetry.
Just like how you can get into a BMW in the moderate price range (32,850 starting for the 2 series) you can do the same with Weber and their kettles. But a performer with gas assist is going to set you back more than what most people spend on their charcoal grills. I remember telling a friend I was buying a new charcoal grill for 400 bucks and he thought I was crazy.
I think Weber is similar to BMW with their commitment to a quality build and trying to build brand loyalty opposed to just selling cheap crap. Not that VW builds crap, but they do not command the same type of cult-like loyalty that BMW or Weber do.
As far as the price goes, Weber is already in that price range with the gas summit. I think it makes sense to be there with the charcoal grills too. The thing that is missing now is the charcoal genesis .
I've always thought of Weber as more like GM or Ford at their core. You could argue that the higher end Weber grills are Cadillac. It's cheap, gets the job done, and part of the consumer base is very passionate. However, the majority of their millions of users don't care. They are familiar with the brand and just use theirs casually. The question is can they sell this Kamado to the higher end marketplace. There's plenty of growth for this segment of the industry and I think the SCG will be successful.
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I disagree with this argument.
I don't think of Weber as a budget brand. If you take a look at what wal mart, target, or Kmart sells in their grill section that is budget. Weber is constantly more expensive then those grills often with less gadgetry.
Just like how you can get into a BMW in the moderate price range (32,850 starting for the 2 series) you can do the same with Weber and their kettles. But a performer with gas assist is going to set you back more than what most people spend on their charcoal grills. I remember telling a friend I was buying a new charcoal grill for 400 bucks and he thought I was crazy.
I think Weber is similar to BMW with their commitment to a quality build and trying to build brand loyalty opposed to just selling cheap crap. Not that VW builds crap, but they do not command the same type of cult-like loyalty that BMW or Weber do.
As far as the price goes, Weber is already in that price range with the gas summit. I think it makes sense to be there with the charcoal grills too. The thing that is missing now is the charcoal genesis .
You make some fair points about Weber's positioning against other brands in large retailers.
You're definitely wrong about VW not having a cult-like loyalty out there, however. There is a very large and brand loyal VW contingent out there. Don't get me started about the still thriving, darn near psychopathic in their loyalty air-cooled subset.
I have owned both VWs and BMWs, I remember every time I had a VW I swore I would never buy another but that's a different story. I understand that VW's have some very loyal customers, who will buy Jetta after Jetta or Tiguan after Passat. They also have fans of the hot hatch backs GTI etc. But I think they have more people that will pass through VW ownership like myself or family and friends that I have known. Meanwhile I know several people that once they got a BMW, they never bought anything but BMW again. Once I got my first 1987 E30 Bmw I never went back. I have had 3 more BMW's since then and current still own two.
But all of this is a digression...
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Agreed about the digression. But those same people exist in the VW world, not just the BMW world. They're in GM, Ford, Toyota and Honda, too.
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I want a Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center
"I realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
There, I said it.... :)
Winz
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I want a Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center
"I realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
There, I said it.... :)
Winz
I second that - I am waiting to hear back from a local place that will hopefully have it by the weekend. I want to check it out in person.
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Well, after the initial knee-jerk reaction to the aesthetic changes and after re-reading all the info and watching the AR video I am slowly coming around on this Summit. :-[
The biggest feature (which I foolishly didn't catch) is absolutely how little charcoal this thing uses... 3.25cups for 12-18hrs of smoking time is downright amazing! Thank you @BC for pointing this out to me so kindly when in fact he should have just called me a fool :P
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I still feel the price is pushing it a bit, but if it truly is that much of a miser on the charcoal it would help pay for itself fairly quickly if you do a ton of charcoal cooking. On a long smoke you'd save $5-10 per use in fuel alone... that adds up quick.
You know, this all could have been avoided if Weber would have just sent me one to demo :P ;)
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The Amazing Ribs video softened me quite a bit as well. I still won't be buying it in the near future. Also, just a couple more thoughts a day in. The more I look at it, the more I like the look of the "lower end" model...On the higher end model, something just feels off. The proportions of the cart to the grill, and two pillars on the table side with just one pillar on the grill side just doesn't look right to me. Finally, it seems so long with the charcoal starter knob at an unusual place as well. I think it would be awesome and functional, but I just LOVE the look of performers.
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I want a Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center
"I realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
There, I said it.... :)
Winz
"I want a Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center
"I realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
There, I said it.... :) "
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( there...I fixed it)
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Well, after the initial knee-jerk reaction to the aesthetic changes and after re-reading all the info and watching the AR video I am slowly coming around on this Summit. :-[
The biggest feature (which I foolishly didn't catch) is absolutely how little charcoal this thing uses... 3.25cups for 12-18hrs of smoking time is downright amazing! Thank you @BC for pointing this out to me so kindly when in fact he should have just called me a fool :P
Dear Six...
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I still feel the price is pushing it a bit, but if it truly is that much of a miser on the charcoal it would help pay for itself fairly quickly if you do a ton of charcoal cooking. On a long smoke you'd save $5-10 per use in fuel alone... that adds up quick.
You know, this all could have been avoided if Weber would have just sent me one to demo :P ;)
I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
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^^^^^^ This is interesting to me as well. I haven't eaten off of a Kamado, but all of the bragging I hear about how little fuel they use makes me wonder if users end up with a small, smudgy fire and not-so-tasty food. I know my WSM is not super-efficient (lots of air leaks, heat loss, etc.) but it gives me a hot fire and clean smoke, which means tasty foods. When I was loading up my WSM to keep it working for long periods with little addition of fuel, my food wasn't nearly as good. These days, I mostly have all my vents entirely open, and my food tastes better than ever.
Also, for the record: if the kind folks at Weber want to share a promotional Summit with me, I will never say 'no'. It would probably become my primary cooker. But I think I might always miss having the old-fashioned offset lid vent, which allows me to direct heat/smoke over my food with greater precision. I think the Summit would work well for direct cooks and smokes (it would kick ass for pizza!), but I wonder how it does for indirect cooks.
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
That only appears to be about 1 full chimney worth of fuel (same scoop as euro SJ's and MT's?). In comparison my 22 WSM would probably eat a whole bag of charcoal on a cook lasting that long (14hrs)
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
Sorry, I completely disagree with this, I am a kamado cooker and trust me the food tastes awesome.
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
true, kinda.
it's still all in the vent config. thin blue smoke can be produced by a small smoldering fire as long as there is enough fresh oxygen.
The smoldering problem (and lack of thin blue) happens when the vents are crunched down too much. This typically happens when temps get too hot and the top vent gets over-used.
The lack of oxygen (and abundance of carbon dioxide) extinguish areas of combustion. Smoldering wood is the first to suffer. As things extinguish, there is more incomplete combustion, which produces carbon monoxide and creosote.
in other words, being super efficient is fine - but fire management is still a crucial skill to have
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
true, kinda.
it's still all in the vent config. thin blue smoke can be produced by a small smoldering fire as long as there is enough fresh oxygen.
The smoldering problem (and lack of thin blue) happens when the vents are crunched down too much. This typically happens when temps get too hot and the top vent gets over-used.
The lack of oxygen (and abundance of carbon dioxide) extinguish areas of combustion. Smoldering wood is the first to suffer. As things extinguish, there is more incomplete combustion, which produces carbon monoxide and creosote.
in other words, being super efficient is fine - but fire management is still a crucial skill to have
Truth, you need to know how to handle your fire........
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The peg leg on the left side of the cart looks funny
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no one ever says, "i realize its triple the cost of similar products, but I just like the way it looks and feels"
maybe not about grills.
but gibson wouldn't be around if guitar players didn't feel that way.
that's exactly what they say, which is complete horse feces.
It doesn't make sense to say people state a preference for Gibson and then declare that the reason they provide isn't real.
It's not real for YOU, which is of course quite different.
or maybe i know how to spot horse feces when i see it. 35-40 years of experience with something tends to do that to someone, if they occasionally pay attention.
@addicted-to-smoke
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I just sold ONE of my many Jeeps. I could buy either one if I wanted. What I would run out get today is the Weber Summit Charcoal Grill without the Gas Assist. I LOVE the throwback stand for it that hint back to the original design of the round circle that the bouy sits in. This is my favorite design. I don't care for the look of the Gas Assist hanging on the side of it. I also find that when I am using my Performer, the table NEVER has enough room. So I use my old MT and a larger side table as my main grill.
With all of that said, I wonder what it would look like without the gas assist on it. That is the one that I would snap up in a MIN. I may still. I just want to see it in person first. Ohh yea... and IN YELLOW.
-Jeep
Edit... I am not sure if I am the demographic that Weber is targeting... I bought most of my Weber Grills new and will most likely own one of these before to long. I am by no means wealthy... But you cant take it with you.... If you enjoy grilling .... Grill on what makes you happy.
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
true, kinda.
it's still all in the vent config. thin blue smoke can be produced by a small smoldering fire as long as there is enough fresh oxygen.
The smoldering problem (and lack of thin blue) happens when the vents are crunched down too much. This typically happens when temps get too hot and the top vent gets over-used.
The lack of oxygen (and abundance of carbon dioxide) extinguish areas of combustion. Smoldering wood is the first to suffer. As things extinguish, there is more incomplete combustion, which produces carbon monoxide and creosote.
in other words, being super efficient is fine - but fire management is still a crucial skill to have
Truth, you need to know how to handle your fire........
I'm with ABCbarbecue on this one. My Akorn basically never made clean smoke for me below 300f. I used it but 25 times or so and it got put aside and I went back to my Kettles. Perhaps it needed me not to give up on it but I never figured out how to maintain clean smoke at low temps with the thing. So I kind of wonder about a Kettle that uses so little fuel during smoking....Would there be enough air flow to keep clean smoke? I know I can do it with a normal Kettle. Would I want to drop a whack of cash on a whippy new one to find out my normal ones are somehow better?
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
true, kinda.
it's still all in the vent config. thin blue smoke can be produced by a small smoldering fire as long as there is enough fresh oxygen.
The smoldering problem (and lack of thin blue) happens when the vents are crunched down too much. This typically happens when temps get too hot and the top vent gets over-used.
The lack of oxygen (and abundance of carbon dioxide) extinguish areas of combustion. Smoldering wood is the first to suffer. As things extinguish, there is more incomplete combustion, which produces carbon monoxide and creosote.
in other words, being super efficient is fine - but fire management is still a crucial skill to have
Truth, you need to know how to handle your fire........
I'm with ABCbarbecue on this one. My Akorn basically never made clean smoke for me below 300f. I used it but 25 times or so and it got put aside and I went back to my Kettles. Perhaps it needed me not to give up on it but I never figured out how to maintain clean smoke and low temps with the thing. So I kind of wonder about a Kettle that uses so little fuel during smoking....Would there be enough air flow to keep clean smoke? I know I can do it with a normal Kettle. Would I want to drop a whack of cash on a whippy new one to find out my normal ones are somehow better?
The akorn sucks.
Needs modifications and/or patience and practice.
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I've never had any issues with my Akorn.
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The biggest feature (which I foolishly didn't catch) is absolutely how little charcoal this thing uses... 3.25cups for 12-18hrs of smoking time is downright amazing! Thank you @BC for pointing this out to me so kindly when in fact he should have just called me a fool :P
Why thank you.
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.
You're no parrot.
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
true, kinda.
it's still all in the vent config. thin blue smoke can be produced by a small smoldering fire as long as there is enough fresh oxygen.
The smoldering problem (and lack of thin blue) happens when the vents are crunched down too much. This typically happens when temps get too hot and the top vent gets over-used.
The lack of oxygen (and abundance of carbon dioxide) extinguish areas of combustion. Smoldering wood is the first to suffer. As things extinguish, there is more incomplete combustion, which produces carbon monoxide and creosote.
in other words, being super efficient is fine - but fire management is still a crucial skill to have
Truth, you need to know how to handle your fire........
I'm with ABCbarbecue on this one. My Akorn basically never made clean smoke for me below 300f. I used it but 25 times or so and it got put aside and I went back to my Kettles. Perhaps it needed me not to give up on it but I never figured out how to maintain clean smoke at low temps with the thing. So I kind of wonder about a Kettle that uses so little fuel during smoking....Would there be enough air flow to keep clean smoke? I know I can do it with a normal Kettle. Would I want to drop a whack of cash on a whippy new one to find out my normal ones are somehow better?
From what I could tell from the videoz, the SCG uses somewhat of an inverted minion method. You pile up the coals over the gas assist and then fire it for 7 mins. That's only going to light a small amount of the coals in the beginning. As with the minion, the lit coals will burn and ignite the other coals, only with the SCG, its from the bottom instead of the top
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I don't think that is 3.25 8oz cups but rather that charcoal measuring cup/bucket that was shown in one of the videos.
And if it did use that low an amount of fuel, it'd actually be a bad thing. You need a hot fire to get thin blue smoke. Kamados like to smolder. Yuck. Let's hope it is not that efficient.
true, kinda.
it's still all in the vent config. thin blue smoke can be produced by a small smoldering fire as long as there is enough fresh oxygen.
The smoldering problem (and lack of thin blue) happens when the vents are crunched down too much. This typically happens when temps get too hot and the top vent gets over-used.
The lack of oxygen (and abundance of carbon dioxide) extinguish areas of combustion. Smoldering wood is the first to suffer. As things extinguish, there is more incomplete combustion, which produces carbon monoxide and creosote.
in other words, being super efficient is fine - but fire management is still a crucial skill to have
Truth, you need to know how to handle your fire........
I'm with ABCbarbecue on this one. My Akorn basically never made clean smoke for me below 300f. I used it but 25 times or so and it got put aside and I went back to my Kettles. Perhaps it needed me not to give up on it but I never figured out how to maintain clean smoke at low temps with the thing. So I kind of wonder about a Kettle that uses so little fuel during smoking....Would there be enough air flow to keep clean smoke? I know I can do it with a normal Kettle. Would I want to drop a whack of cash on a whippy new one to find out my normal ones are somehow better?
From what I could tell from the videoz, the SCG uses somewhat of an inverted minion method. You pile up the coals over the gas assist and then fire it for 7 mins. That's only going to light a small amount of the coals in the beginning. As with the minion, the lit coals will burn and ignite the other coals, only with the SCG, its from the bottom instead of the top
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This is exactly what I do with my wsm, except for the gas assist. I think putting the lit on he bottom of the pile is superior as the ash doesn't choke the unlit underneath.
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I've never had any issues with my Akorn.
good.
you probably know how to use it :P
Have you modified yours at all?
I'm far from an akorn hater. I'd buy a 'korn before a BGE.
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No modifications. It's not as fuel efficient as I hear ceramic kamados are, but it gets the job done. I had been interested in a kamado for a while but since I already had two or three smokers of different types at the time I went with the much more affordable Akorn. The cooking grate is only 19.5" though, so not a ton of space.
I'm much more likely to "give it a whirl" when it comes to an $80 CL Akorn than a $1700 MSRP SCG, but doesn't mean I wouldn't like one.
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Smoldering sooty fires?? Nope. My long cooks in my Kamado Joe are lit Minion style, and the fire spreads throughout the charcoal pile just like any other minion burn. The only difference is that it doesn't have to spread out as far as it did to keep the temperature where I want it as it did in my WSM. That's a good thing too since I'm burning lump exclusively in the KJ and its not nearly as cheap as Kingsford.
Hopefully the new Weber will do the same. The Kamado guys get goofy talking about 24 hour plus cooks but realistically if you can hold temp for 12-14 your food should be done.
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FWIW, The BBQ Central Show had a Weber Rep on a couple of day ago to talk about the Summit Charcoal. I'm still in the wait and see camp, but his guest made some intriguing points (being able to quickly go from low to high heat, and then back down again, for example...)
Interview starts about 20 minutes in: http://thebbqcentralshow.com/the-bbq-round-up-episode-4/
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/62zhf3oaccy6zzx/Summit%20hinge.png?dl=0)
No more rim rash or lost/dented lids - worth the $1,500 alone...
Winz
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@Winz I'll sell you a $50 hinge for your 22.5 kettles for half of the $1,500 price.... I kid
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@Winz I'll sell you a $50 hinge for your 22.5 kettles for half of the $1,500 price.... I kid
Attractive offer, however I can get the hinge for free when I purchase a SCG. :)
Winz
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Okay. So, I was able to check out both versions of the SCG today! I'm going to rescind part of my earlier comments. This this is much more substantial than it looks. Very well engineered and put together. I actually don't have any gripes with the standalone unit. It's gorgeous. It's much bigger in person. Not a flimsy piece in it. Even the heat deflector is a heavy (several pounds) piece of insulalated stainless steel. In Canada this is the $1999 option. Would I pay that? Sadly, no. I really can't comment on the USD pricing as the exhange rate these days is really wonky.
I'm more interested in the grill center model but, unfortunately, this is the model I have issues with. If you're going to charge a $500 premium for a table it had better be a great frickin table! The table version makes the most sense to me as I see this as replacing several units and being the centerpiece to most grilling activities and therefor requires the most space for prep, etc. So the gripes. 1) the wire mesh basket slides in on metal rails. It's impossible to slide unpolished stainless steel rods against unpolished stainless steel rails. It's binds. Every time. It a pain in the ass. Should have a simple ball bearing mechanism. Problem solved and much more premium feel. 2) There is a wire rack at the bottom of the unit to store the heat deflector. It's about 4" off the ground. You literally have to get on all fours to retrieve or stow the deflector. Plus, unless the deflector is perfectly clean it's going to be a tasty treat for many a wildlife. 3) The charcoal bucket was not thought out at all. Unlike the performer, it is not hinged in any way. It just sits on the bottom shelf and is intended to be slid in and out. Even without 20lbs of charcoal in it the 3 day old display model was already all scratched up on the black bottom shelf. With weight in the bucket I can see that being worn through to bare metal within a year. Solution? Stainless steel bottom shelf or a sort of bearing sliding shelf. 4) the tool hook were clearly an afterthought. For this kind of money they need to be rethought from a more premium point of view.
Finally, back to pricing. Before actually seeing and touching it I was fairy critical and thought it was overpriced by at least $1000. Now that I see what they've really accomplished with this thing I can how the value is higher. In my opinion, it's about $500 too high. I could see spending $1499 and $1999 respectively and it being worth that kinda money. A $2500 ask is just too much unless they fixed all the issues I mentioned above. At least for me.
Keep an open mind until you see one. I think it's worth more than I originally thought but less than Weber currently asks.
Cheers!
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Thanks for the detailed observations, @macmanjpc! You've confirmed my fears about the grilling center. The table portion of it just did not look that "premium" in any of the advertising materials or reviews. I'm more interested in the tripod one because that frame does look well built and looks cool. I'd park it to the right side of an SS performer. 8)
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Great insight, @macmanjpc !
This is definitely one that I would need to touch and feel first. It'd be great if Weber pulled a page out of their old playbook and take these SCG's on the road and demo them at various stores across the country (Ace, Weber Alliance/Premium Dealers etc) Maybe that's already in the works? I'm with @pbe gummi bear in that I prefer the stand alone unit.
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Okay. So, I was able to check out both versions of the SCG today! I'm going to rescind part of my earlier comments. This this is much more substantial than it looks. Very well engineered and put together. I actually don't have any gripes with the standalone unit. It's gorgeous. It's much bigger in person. Not a flimsy piece in it. Even the heat deflector is a heavy (several pounds) piece of insulalated stainless steel. In Canada this is the $1999 option. Would I pay that? Sadly, no. I really can't comment on the USD pricing as the exhange rate these days is really wonky.
I'm more interested in the grill center model but, unfortunately, this is the model I have issues with. If you're going to charge a $500 premium for a table it had better be a great frickin table! The table version makes the most sense to me as I see this as replacing several units and being the centerpiece to most grilling activities and therefor requires the most space for prep, etc. So the gripes. 1) the wire mesh basket slides in on metal rails. It's impossible to slide unpolished stainless steel rods against unpolished stainless steel rails. It's binds. Every time. It a pain in the ass. Should have a simple ball bearing mechanism. Problem solved and much more premium feel. 2) There is a wire rack at the bottom of the unit to store the heat deflector. It's about 4" off the ground. You literally have to get on all fours to retrieve or stow the deflector. Plus, unless the deflector is perfectly clean it's going to be a tasty treat for many a wildlife. 3) The charcoal bucket was not thought out at all. Unlike the performer, it is not hinged in any way. It just sits on the bottom shelf and is intended to be slid in and out. Even without 20lbs of charcoal in it the 3 day old display model was already all scratched up on the black bottom shelf. With weight in the bucket I can see that being worn through to bare metal within a year. Solution? Stainless steel bottom shelf or a sort of bearing sliding shelf. 4) the tool hook were clearly an afterthought. For this kind of money they need to be rethought from a more premium point of view.
Finally, back to pricing. Before actually seeing and touching it I was fairy critical and thought it was overpriced by at least $1000. Now that I see what they've really accomplished with this thing I can how the value is higher. In my opinion, it's about $500 too high. I could see spending $1499 and $1999 respectively and it being worth that kinda money. A $2500 ask is just too much unless they fixed all the issues I mentioned above. At least for me.
Keep an open mind until you see one. I think it's worth more than I originally thought but less than Weber currently asks.
Cheers!
I just got back from Ontario Gas Barbecue, and concur with this 100% Someone really dropped the ball on that table with that cheesy drawer and charcoal bin. I just can't see how that slipped through in the final design stage. One interesting tidbit; apparently Weber only made 360 of these units right now. I also talked to someone who has used it and they said that the temperature control is phenomenal.
So, after seeing it I think I would be happy paying 1500 CDN for the basic unit, but even 1900 is too much for the grill center as it is now.
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I went to the grilling demo at the Grill Store in Edgewater, MD on Saturday. No free hats, bummer. It was snowing like crazy at first (rare for this time of year in MD) and turned to rain. There was not much of a crowd. Unfortunately the Summit Charcoal w/o table was only on display and not being used. The BGEs were all fired up though. This gave me a chance to really look at the summit charcoal. I was impressed. My only complaint is the ring that holds the handle to the lid was not contoured to fit the lid perfectly. This leaves little gaps between the handle and the lid which already had leaves collected in it. Not a deal breaker since I always cover my grills. I will own one soon. I'm just waiting for the table model to arrive today to make my decision.
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I snuck out yesterday to check them out too. They only had the tabled version, bummer.
The wire cage drawer thing was by far the biggest disappointment. No bearings? Ick.
I think I would prefer it be fully enclosed drawer, or even a cabinet.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the lid and the insulation. The cook space is quite a bit larger than the 22.
I need to have this grill.
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I snuck out yesterday to check them out too. They only had the tabled version, bummer.
The wire cage drawer thing was by far the biggest disappointment. No bearings? Ick.
I think I would prefer it be fully enclosed drawer, or even a cabinet.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the lid and the insulation. The cook space is quite a bit larger than the 22.
I need to have this grill.
Cabinet for sure! at least they should of made it compatible with the summit grill center cabinets.
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I was under the impression that cabinets were havens for moisture/rust and/or spiders. I dig the open look in a "we used to do it this way, and people on the Internet love the old SS and Genesis frames" kind of vibe.
Does the drawer not slide out easily?
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No the drawer hangs up. It's a real POS
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How's the bowl mount to the table ?
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i figure it'll be 10-15 years before one appears on CL for me. ::)
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I called my local dealer to ask if they had one in stock yet. To my surprise, he said yes, one of the table models. Said he'd have it assembled for display on Saturday. Went by there yesterday, all he had out were a bunch of new Performers. Methinks he hasn't been reading his Weber dealer literature lately...
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It doesn't come out in the UK until the summer, so that gives me time to get the 2nd mortgage together to help pay for this proper piece of bbq kit.
I'm getting one as soon as I can afford it basically
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... Methinks he hasn't been reading his Weber dealer literature lately...
So many dealers are really only Weber (or for that matter, grilling) dealers by some random accident of history. When Apple's growth boom happened after Jobs came back to the company, he noticed that most dealers weren't ... shall we say, very committed, and the Apple Stores soon emerged.
If the U.S ever sees another big grilling boom that isn't merely based on Yet More $500 Disposable Gassers, Weber should be poised to actually open stores here, or at least partner with dedicated retailers like they do in Europe with extensive displays. Weber certainly knows that a grill is no longer just a piece of hardware like a garden hose or hot water heater. But they've allowed themselves to be locked into this relationship with hardware stores for quaintly irrelevant reasons!
For every Ace that has some higher-end Weber models, there are likely a dozen or more that have a couple basic kettles clogging an aisle and huge space devoted to BGE. I get that local franchise owners can choose what to offer but it means only a very few will be "legit" dealers who know the product and have it, too.
Speaking of (some) Ace, and well ... Home Depot/Lowe's ... there's one Weber I see at all three here, and it's the go-to-the-head-of-the-class S-670, which stands out as a big honkin' F-U to all the flimsy pretenders nearby. I don't know if Weber hopes for the Summit Charcoal to be more prominent or not, but getting it into these stores would really help. It doesn't have to sell, just as HD/Lowe's probably don't sell many S-670's. I fail to see how anyone looking at a Char-Griller or even an Oklahoma Joe wouldn't be impressed at what else is available.
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...they've allowed themselves to be locked into this relationship with hardware stores for quaintly irrelevant reasons!
For every Ace that has some higher-end Weber models, there are likely a dozen or more that have a couple basic kettles clogging an aisle and huge space devoted to BGE. I get that local franchise owners can choose what to offer but it means only a very few will be "legit" dealers who know the product and have it, too.
AMEN!!!
Case in point: I make it a habit to stop into local hardware stores, whenever I am in a new part of town for something unrelated, hoping to find some older Weber parts or accessories. Just last weekend I stopped into a small Ace-Hardware store. Right away an older man in a red vest asked if I needed help with anything. I told him I was just looking at the Weber grills, and killing some time. For the next 20 minutes he tried to talk me out of the Weber section and over to the very LARGE display of BGE's they had in the main aisle of the store. All of the Weber stuff was off in a dark and dusty corner, while there had to be $4,000 worth of BGE's right in the main center alley of the store. Weber doesn't need this kind of thing messing with their sales.
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A retailer measures sales by the square foot. If something takes up space and doesn't sell, especially physically large SKU's, it won't last. So I don't doubt they make good money on BGE.
This seems like a chicken-or-egg thing in many ways. Does Weber/BGE seek out hardware stores because they have nowhere else to go, or the other way around because customers ask for grills?
The only "outdoor lifestyle" stores are the luxury kind, often featuring built-ins, kamados, large gassers and custom fireplaces in high-rent areas.
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@dwnthehatch They have the Summit in Edgewater? I might have to go look at it.
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@dwnthehatch They have the Summit in Edgewater? I might have to go look at it.
Yes they do. The table version were expected to arrive yesterday They had the stand alone when I was there.
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Oh no. I'm afraid to go there...
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Oh no. I'm afraid to go there...
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I went there this weekend. They have 3 standalones and 5 grill stations. One thing I noticed, the lid will slam shut with a heavy gust of wind. It will definitely wake you up the first time it happens. If you go there, talk to Brock. Let him know you are a member of WKC.
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I was about to pull the trigger on one and realized that there is no way to attach a rotisserie. That is a deal breaker for me since I use mine weekly.
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Having recently been in a nursery (yes) that sells BGEs and other "high end" grills that go for more, I can better understand Weber's target market for the Summit. There is definitely a niche consumer group that will be interested in it and it will be positioned toward the lower end of the spectrum in terms of cost.
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Having recently been in a nursery (yes) that sells BGEs and other "high end" grills that go for more, I can better understand Weber's target market for the Summit. There is definitely a niche consumer group that will be interested in it and it will be positioned toward the lower end of the spectrum in terms of cost.
You mean that the $2000 grilling center is at the lower end of the spending spectrum for the target demographic? If so, what competitive products are you comparing it to?
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I was about to pull the trigger on one and realized that there is no way to attach a rotisserie. That is a deal breaker for me since I use mine weekly.
I talked to a Weber CSR the other day. She said that Weber is currently working on developing a whole truckload of brand new accessories specifically geared for the new SCG. She said the very first thing that will come out is a rotisserie for the SCG.
To me, the only logical design/shape for a rotisserie ring for the SCG would be a wedge shaped ring that would sit flat on the bottom bowl like a traditional rotisserie for a 22, but the top is cut at a 45 degree angle. The front of the ring near the lid handle would be at full height and then it would slope downward at an angle toward the rear lid hinge so you could pull the lid down on the ring. It would have the appropriate slot and groove for the spit notched into it of course. That is the only way I could see a rotisserie properly fitting on there.
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Nice. I was wondering about a roti. I do think the Joetisserie is a good design. http://www.kamadojoe.com/joetisserie/
And also the Kamado Mate. They are similar. I wonder what's different in the patents.
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My wife was in SLC, Utah last week and took this pic of a billboard …. She was a passenger.
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n615/MacEggs/IMG_0131.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/MacEggs/media/IMG_0131.jpg.html)
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I find this kind of interesting because I don't think we have any members in the Salt Lake area, and I search SLC craigslist pretty regularly and there is NEVER anything in Salt Lake. Anyone else seen billboards?
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I've seen a Weber billboard in Austin TX
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I'm in the Salt Lake area. I have never posted on the site before. So hello for the first time from SLC.
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I picked that one up on KSL.com which has a classified section. I look at KSL more than Craigslist. And locally I bet more people use KSL then Craigslist.
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Welcome to the site from Omaha, @Mknaub !
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Nice kettle ya got ther. Didn't even know (never heard of) KSL ??? Any how, welcome to the WKC from Eugene, Oregon. SJ
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Welcome, @Mknaub! Glad to have you onboard. Don't be shy to post more. 8)