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Cooking & Food Talk => Charcoal Grilling & BBQ => Topic started by: Bugman on July 23, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
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Well, not a story of triumph tonight.
Tried to do my first spatchcock chicken. Got it all split and seasoned, and set up the grill with a charcoal basket that I started on the Performer. Once the white smoke stopped, I put on the grate and started the chicken indirect.
Things seemed great, temps came up, skin got nice and dark, and used the thermapen and it was pretty good.
But went a little deeper under the wing and things were still too cool. I tried to move over the coals, but didn't have much heat left. Had to pull it, split it, and finish inside.
Very sad.
I think I need more coals going at once, just so it will keep going. Maybe use a rail and not the basket. But still, bummed that it didn't turn out.
All in all, a learning experience I suppose.
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Full chimney man, nothin to loose.
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I have had similar experiences with chicken using baskets …. In fact, just last Sunday, something similar to what happened to you took place ….
I have pretty much resigned to just letting 'er rip with chicken … Couple baskets … A full chimney as @truckertrash mentioned … and chow down.
I continue to learn kettle cooking techniques, but sometimes the simplest method is the best. :D :D
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2/3's of a chimney will give you roughly 1 hour of cook time. If you went over that hour or had more than just the chicken on the grill then you were most likely going to run out of heat.
Keep an eye on your charcoal next time. You may have to add a little bit of raw to keep your cook going.
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+1 on full chimney. Close down bottom vent to 1/4-1/2 open and top vent 1/3-1/2 closed. Will give you heat and long burn time.
Depending on your charcoal your hear and timing will vary.
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"Full chimney man, nothin to loose."
sounds like maybe let the grill preheat more also
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The only way to expand your repertoire is to try new things. You will learn more from something that doesn't come out as planned. My only rule on this is to not experiment on company. ;)
In a situation like this I would bring the chicken in and finish off in the oven. You will still get great flavor. (I guess that's your tactic as well.)
It's good to be critical of your results and look for opportunities to improve. Don't beat yourself up about it. Be proud of your efforts to grow. :D
PS: Was the chicken good?
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@chefn58 is spot on, I've cooked hundreds of birds but we all need reminders...
recent:
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Only Half chimney & I didn't spatchcock as it was to be used for chicken salad, but by just adding the onion to the coals kept this @<145 IT after an hour.
-Loosing heat so I went ahead w/ cooking sides & had to lite & add Lump to finish this 4.5# bird
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The only way to expand your repertoire is to try new things. You will learn more from something that doesn't come out as planned. My only rule on this is to not experiment on company. ;)
This is my golden rule. Been messing with Kettles & WSM for a little over a year now and just recently started cooking for crowds using charcoal.
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
Of course it was for company, and I was rushing. So worst case. I knew going in I was pushing it, but for some reason I thought I could defy the laws of physics.....
Oh well, live and learn.
Great tips here. Will definitely keep this bookmarked until getting them right becomes old hat!
Only question I have is for @austin87 , I haven't ever closed vents to keep temps high. Always went with more air is more heat since it keeps the coals going. Maybe my thinking needs to change...
And yep, the chicken was very good! Just lost some nice presentation from the hacking and finishing indoors...
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3/4 of a Weber chimney will fill both baskets. I put a basket on each side of the kettle and the chicken in the middle. Sometimes I put 2 chickens in the middle of baskets.
Light the chimney, when flames come out of the top and top charcoal is lightly ashed fill both baskets. All Vents wide open the whole cook. Put lid on and preheat grill for 10 mins or so. Add chicken and put the lid back on. It will take an hour, sometimes 10 0r 15 mins more.
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I forgot don't put the lid vent over top of the charcoal basket. On my performer I put the baskets at 3 and 9 o' clock.
I put the lid vent at 6 o'clock for 30 mins then turn it to 12 o'clock for the last 30 mins or to finish.
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I did one this week, spatchcocked it. Dumped about 2/3 of a chimney of hot coals over about 2/3 a chimney of raw coals. Chicken was rubbed with olive oil, sea salt & fresh cracked pepper. Indirect over a drip pan, legs towards the fire, bottom vent 1/2 open, top vent over the chicken. Temp rode about 375. Chicken was falling apart in 90 minutes, with the nicest crispy skin you ever saw.
This link was my inspiration: http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/128633/spatchcock-chicken-on-the-weber-kettle
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Yeah, I think my number of coals was really low. That just didn't get me hot enough to start and then not enough to hold me. I'm going to ditch the basket and just bank the coals next time.
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It was only a mistake if ya dint learn from it. Next one will be better!
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@Harleysmoker
When you use the baskets like that, do you have to turn or shield the birds at all?
I'm gonna go for another chicken tonight, frying to decide on two baskets or banked coals on one side only...
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No I don't turn the chicken or shield it. I put the chicken on, vents wide open and let it go for an hour, then start checking internal temps. Foil on the charcoal grate or a foil pan to catch the drippings. Chicken can make a mess of the grill without it.
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3/4 of a Weber chimney will fill both baskets. I put a basket on each side of the kettle and the chicken in the middle. Sometimes I put 2 chickens in the middle of baskets.
Light the chimney, when flames come out of the top and top charcoal is lightly ashed fill both baskets. All Vents wide open the whole cook. Put lid on and preheat grill for 10 mins or so. Add chicken and put the lid back on. It will take an hour, sometimes 10 0r 15 mins more.
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Plus I put fire bricks on the charcoal grate between the baskets....it really seems to help direct the heat up to the chicken, helps stabilize kettle temp and keeps the cool air going to the charcoal.
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Thanks for the replies.
Well this cook was better. I foiled the bottom grate and had a drip pan, and used two bricks as a coal dam. Used a whole chimney of KBB, and a chunk of apple.
I got skeered after I saw some high temps in the thighs, so I kept lookin' instead of cookin'. Temps at the grate got over 400 so I think I got too big this time, and that is what did me in.
Juices ran clear, but near the thigh bones it was a little underdone for the families liking.
So I think I need to dial back my lit coal volume some, but otherwise just leave it alone and let it cook.
Also need to find a good deal on some Yardbird rub to try....