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Grill Talk => Gas Grills & Electric Kettles => Topic started by: AZRaptor on May 31, 2015, 09:07:12 AM
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Yesterday I came across this grill on Craigslist. Based on the logo on the front which was first used in 1984 and the fact they released the Genesis for the first time in 1985, my assumption is that this is a 1984 Weber Gas Kettle Cart. As can be seen in the pictures she's gonna need a lot of work. List of work I see so far is:
1) Replace lid handle
2) Fix lid dent
3) Replace missing whitewall on one tire
4) Restore/Replace wood pieces
5) Replace deflector
6) Replace bolt for kettle attachment
7) Reink the plate
8) Replace the drip tray
Time to start researching restoration stuff.
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Front.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Left.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Back.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Right.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Bowl1.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Bowl2.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Bowl3.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_BowlAttachment1.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_BowlAttachment2.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Inside1.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Inside2.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Inside3.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Inside4.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Deflector.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Ignitor.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Plate.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Serial.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/WGKC_Lid.jpg)
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/IMG_2463.jpg)(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/IMG_2464.jpg)
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There it is......the second one.......ever, I far as I know....... 8)
I would imagine some kind of universal interchangable parts can be found to get it going, but not exactly sure what's up until you get into it, I guess.....
GL Rassmussen found a pretty nice one that went to Reilly's kettle museum.........here:
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/not-what-i-expected/
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/trading-post/the-great-pumpkin-is-real!!/msg56068/#msg56068
(http://imageshack.us/a/img211/2536/roadtrip3.png)
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Haven't seen such detailed pictures of that gas model before. You can definitely see how it influenced the Performer, especially in the bowl mount.
What was the first year for this? I presume since it predates Genesis, it's the first model to use the familiar square tubing frame idea?
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There's a date code on the pedestal. Looks like 6/83?
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@addicted-to-smoke
"What was the first year for this?'
This is the "only" year for this.....the two in this thread are likely or possibly the only two out there, unless there's some in OZ............
this is at the start of the gas explosion (pun intended), but Weber had such good fortune with the kettle shape, this was an attempt to mix the two which somehow never caught on......
The above is speculation on my part, but look back thru the history of when gas BBQ''s really became popular, when Weber began to really get into the game, how wildly successful they are with gas now & how much of their sales percentage is gas compared to charcoal (hint: Huge difference)
These are a pivot point of an entire era, the way I look at it....... 8)
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I added close ups of the seals on the plate. The one on the left is the US Safety Seal and the one on the right is for Canada.
1buckie, someone posted a link to this Youtube video on my thread in the Online Finds section. They show this model at the 1:33 time mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrw27YAbb0
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Thanks, I remember that one......seems the "Imperial Line" (Sequoia carts) made it in just a little more expansive way than the gas kettles & carts, or about the same.....neither for very many years.....
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I agree Buckie, and unfortunately no known sitings of this gasser in oz
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As can be seen in the photos I have some large areas where the porcelain coating is gone from the outside of the bowl. I am considering doing the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy fix, but I'm not sure if it would look right with that large of a spot. The eye may overlook it with small spots, but I think the large area will still stand out albeit not as badly as the giant exposed spot of black metal.
Has anyone used the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy on large areas like the ones I have? Also, what is a good source for or place to look for spare parts on old kettles? I've inquired of Weber, but they couldn't find my serial number and asked for pics of the grill and S/N to try and help identify it.
EDIT: Not surprised, but here's Weber's response:
Hi Jeff,
Thank you for your response. Unfortunately, we no longer have any parts for that model grill. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Thank you for choosing Weber.
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As can be seen in the photos I have some large areas where the porcelain coating is gone from the outside of the bowl. I am considering doing the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy fix, but I'm not sure if it would look right with that large of a spot. The eye may overlook it with small spots, but I think the large area will still stand out albeit not as badly as the giant exposed spot of black metal.
Has anyone used the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy on large areas like the ones I have? Also, what is a good source for or place to look for spare parts on old kettles? I've inquired of Weber, but they couldn't find my serial number and asked for pics of the grill and S/N to try and help identify it.
EDIT: Not surprised, but here's Weber's response:
Hi Jeff,
Thank you for your response. Unfortunately, we no longer have any parts for that model grill. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Thank you for choosing Weber.
Is the bowl solid? If it is if i remember right someone used high heat Caliper red paint, don't remember the out come, anyone remember who did this? @1buckie ?
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wasn't there a video about this grill?
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wasn't there a video about this grill?
@zavod44
I added close ups of the seals on the plate. The one on the left is the US Safety Seal and the one on the right is for Canada.
1buckie, someone posted a link to this Youtube video on my thread in the Online Finds section. They show this model at the 1:33 time mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrw27YAbb0
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As can be seen in the photos I have some large areas where the porcelain coating is gone from the outside of the bowl. I am considering doing the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy fix, but I'm not sure if it would look right with that large of a spot. The eye may overlook it with small spots, but I think the large area will still stand out albeit not as badly as the giant exposed spot of black metal.
Has anyone used the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy on large areas like the ones I have? Also, what is a good source for or place to look for spare parts on old kettles? I've inquired of Weber, but they couldn't find my serial number and asked for pics of the grill and S/N to try and help identify it.
EDIT: Not surprised, but here's Weber's response:
Hi Jeff,
Thank you for your response. Unfortunately, we no longer have any parts for that model grill. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Thank you for choosing Weber.
Is the bowl solid? If it is if i remember right someone used high heat Caliper red paint, don't remember the out come, anyone remember who did this? @1buckie ?
Look at Hank's Sequoia....this is the master thread, there's links to each part embedded in this :
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/my-sequoia-rebuild-master-thread/msg64984/#msg64984
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More paint from Swamp & others......
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/18'-redhead-'g-spot'-workout/msg138581/?topicseen#msg138581
http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/color-changing/msg117698/?topicseen#msg117698
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Thanks @1buckie
I've got VHT Caliper paint in red (outside) and black (inside) in my Amazon cart to order, just trying to decide if I want to give the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy a try to make a smooth surface before painting it. Joe F over at tvwbb (http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/porcelain-repair.html) had a fix he used it for on a WSM lid and it looks really good. My only concern is the JB Weld temp limit is 500 while the caliper paint is 900. Not sure if the paint will protect the epoxy or if the epoxy is going to undermind the paint. It is a gasser so I'm hoping the issues people see when they paint the charcoal kettles won't be as much a concern since the heat source isn't right up against the bowl. Well at least not quite as close I think. (Maybe in indirect mode).
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@DirectDrive did that repair and he did a great job. How's it holding up, DD?
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@DirectDrive did that repair and he did a great job. How's it holding up, DD?
Hasn't been here for a time.....real together fellow & great posts....
Thanks @1buckie
I've got VHT Caliper paint in red (outside) and black (inside) in my Amazon cart to order, just trying to decide if I want to give the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy a try to make a smooth surface before painting it. Joe F over at tvwbb (http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/porcelain-repair.html) had a fix he used it for on a WSM lid and it looks really good. My only concern is the JB Weld temp limit is 500 while the caliper paint is 900. Not sure if the paint will protect the epoxy or if the epoxy is going to undermind the paint. It is a gasser so I'm hoping the issues people see when they paint the charcoal kettles won't be as much a concern since the heat source isn't right up against the bowl. Well at least not quite as close I think. (Maybe in indirect mode).
Looked at this again.....might want to leave the paint out of the inside, try a bacon fat burnout......the stuff is "rated" at a certain point, but what your thermo reads is not what's actually going on right at the charcoal area.....way different....
1500 degrees might be common for a hefty stack of banked coals.....that's a guess, but from the discoloration I got on the Painted Pony Orange, seems right....
Really need somebody w/ an infrared therm to see what a big pile of coals acts like..... 8)
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@DirectDrive did that repair and he did a great job. How's it holding up, DD?
Thanks for the compliment, gummi !
Holding up very well but it's on a WSM which of course doesn't run as hot as a kettle can.
Labor-intensive fix, but worth the effort. For anything more than one or two spots I would go insane. (well, more insane ;D)
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@DirectDrive did that repair and he did a great job. How's it holding up, DD?
Thanks for the compliment, gummi !
Holding up very well but it's on a WSM which of course doesn't run as hot as a kettle can.
Labor-intensive fix, but worth the effort. For anything more than one or two spots I would go insane. (well, more insane ;D)
Glad to see you stop by......meant what I said !!!!!
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Thanks @1buckie
I've got VHT Caliper paint in red (outside) and black (inside) in my Amazon cart to order, just trying to decide if I want to give the JB Weld High Heat Epoxy a try to make a smooth surface before painting it. Joe F over at tvwbb (http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/porcelain-repair.html) had a fix he used it for on a WSM lid and it looks really good. My only concern is the JB Weld temp limit is 500 while the caliper paint is 900. Not sure if the paint will protect the epoxy or if the epoxy is going to undermind the paint. It is a gasser so I'm hoping the issues people see when they paint the charcoal kettles won't be as much a concern since the heat source isn't right up against the bowl. Well at least not quite as close I think. (Maybe in indirect mode).
Looked at this again.....might want to leave the paint out of the inside, try a bacon fat burnout......the stuff is "rated" at a certain point, but what your thermo reads is not what's actually going on right at the charcoal area.....way different....
1500 degrees might be common for a hefty stack of banked coals.....that's a guess, but from the discoloration I got on the Painted Pony Orange, seems right....
Really need somebody w/ an infrared therm to see what a big pile of coals acts like..... 8)
Yeah I suspect the coals would easily get over that, but being a gasser I wasn't sure how hot this would run. Maybe I'll just clean up the inside and season the exposed metal as you mentioned.
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Yeah, geez......GAS kettle......what AM I thinking?
(probably not much !!!)
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JB Weld will not work for that temperature. Several of us have used this product. It works great. You have to exactly follow the directions (i.e. mixing the product well).
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18003-QuikSteel-Temperature/dp/B0084AA2LK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433677381&sr=8-2&keywords=quik+steel (http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18003-QuikSteel-Temperature/dp/B0084AA2LK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433677381&sr=8-2&keywords=quik+steel)
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Yeah, geez......GAS kettle......what AM I thinking?
(probably not much !!!)
Understandable, the charcoal to gasser ratio is about 3billion to 1. :)
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JB Weld will not work for that temperature. Several of us have used this product. It works great. You have to exactly follow the directions (i.e. mixing the product well).
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18003-QuikSteel-Temperature/dp/B0084AA2LK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433677381&sr=8-2&keywords=quik+steel (http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18003-QuikSteel-Temperature/dp/B0084AA2LK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433677381&sr=8-2&keywords=quik+steel)
Thanks @harris92 I'll give this a try instead.
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JB Weld will not work for that temperature. Several of us have used this product. It works great. You have to exactly follow the directions (i.e. mixing the product well).
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18003-QuikSteel-Temperature/dp/B0084AA2LK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433677381&sr=8-2&keywords=quik+steel (http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18003-QuikSteel-Temperature/dp/B0084AA2LK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433677381&sr=8-2&keywords=quik+steel)
Thanks @harris92 I'll give this a try instead.
Looks like a good product.
Spread it accurately so as to minimize sanding.
Typically these products don't sand well.
I did a wet sand on mine and with the correct wet sandpaper the process went well.
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Can someone who has a gasser kettle give me the inner and outer diameter of the Indirect Baffle? and possibly the grease cup.
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@dazzo @kako5256 @Jeff
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I don't have a grease cup.
My indirect baffle is shot. I can measure the outside diameter but I don't have an inside diameter.
The burner is designed to drop into the baffle, so measuring the burner should give you what you want for the inside diameter.
Do you have the resources to make one?
Do you have the standoff for the baffle?
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I do have the stand off and I can probably get the outer diameter from what's left of my baffle, and as you mention it, get the inner measurement I need from the burner.
I don't have resources to fab one, but thinking I might be able to modify something if I find something about the same size.
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Yeah, for a while I kept thinking I'd be able to maybe find a real shallow SS bowl. As I recall, the diameter may be around 12-14 inches.
But I gave up after I got the wok. That's why I was asking if you could fab one ;)
On a side note, my burner is in good shape, but I wanted a replacement so as to not wear out the original. When searching for parts for my Weber 101001 Gas Kettle Grill, I ran across a replacement burner, but it's not truly a replacement as the flange is upside-down, so it won't work with the baffle. I think it's just patio heater burner.
I got it anyway because it was cheap. It drops right in and works great as a wok burner. They've more than doubled in price since then.
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Is this the one you bought?
http://www.amazon.com/Music-City-Metals-12101-Replacement/dp/B000HK9Y0A
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That's it.
You can't use the Direct/Indirect knob with it. I've got mine resting on fire bricks which also raises it higher than the stand-off.
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I do have the stand off and I can probably get the outer diameter from what's left of my baffle, and as you mention it, get the inner measurement I need from the burner.
I don't have resources to fab one, but thinking I might be able to modify something if I find something about the same size.
Yeah, for a while I kept thinking I'd be able to maybe find a real shallow SS bowl. As I recall, the diameter may be around 12-14 inches.
But I gave up after I got the wok. That's why I was asking if you could fab one ;)
On a side note, my burner is in good shape, but I wanted a replacement so as to not wear out the original. When searching for parts for my Weber 101001 Gas Kettle Grill, I ran across a replacement burner, but it's not truly a replacement as the flange is upside-down, so it won't work with the baffle. I think it's just patio heater burner.
I got it anyway because it was cheap. It drops right in and works great as a wok burner. They've more than doubled in price since then.
Is this the one you bought?
http://www.amazon.com/Music-City-Metals-12101-Replacement/dp/B000HK9Y0A
That's it.
You can't use the Direct/Indirect knob with it. I've got mine resting on fire bricks which also raises it higher than the stand-off.
OK, you guys are now speaking a language that few on the planet can understand....... :o 8) 8)
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Someone will be thanking us later when they pick up a kettle gasser
8)
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Someone will be thanking us later when they pick up a kettle gasser
8)
I'll "Thank You" now & get that out of the way...... 8)
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The outer dimension of my Indirect Baffle is 11 3/4". I almost wondered if I could get an ash pan for an 18.5" kettle and cut the center out of it, but it's only 11" in diameter and 1) I'm not sure the gas would get close enough to the igniter, 2) I believe these are aluminum and not stainless steel and 3) they may be too deep.
(http://www.grillparts.com/images/products/80673.jpg)
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Aluminium might just melt?
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With the way these baffles crumble into dust they may not have been stainless, but I thought there was some sort of health concern about heating aluminum really hot, and as you mention it may not be able to withstand the heat.
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That I think would work. Your indirect cooking area would just be a little smaller at 11".
And buckie is right (no suprise), not the aluminum pan.
A curved stainless pan - deeper than a plate, shallower than a bowl. Easy, right?
::)
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This is the hole in mine...
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b505/dazzo16/kettle%20gasser/diffuser_zps3b05b71c.jpg)
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could you use something like this:
http://www.desiclik.com/stainless-steel-thali-plate-12-pr-18651.html
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Possibly. But we'd need to re-form it a bit to direct the flames up and out to the edge.
I don't remember if the distance to the rock grate is enough, but I think there's enough room.
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I happened to see this in a front yard while driving by the other day. Circled back several times to see what the heck it was and ended up knocking on the door. Spoke with the "owner" who has several Weber gassers and picked this one up at a yard sale many years ago. He gave it to his tenant who has been using it all summer. Lid handle re-welded on, definitely a cooker, but very cool to see in person.
(http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w579/O_Glenn/P1330306_zpslu2evwa0.jpg)
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Ooooooh a Genesis prototype!
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I happened to see this in a front yard while driving by the other day. Circled back several times to see what the heck it was and ended up knocking on the door. Spoke with the "owner" who has several Weber gassers and picked this one up at a yard sale many years ago. He gave it to his tenant who has been using it all summer. Lid handle re-welded on, definitely a cooker, but very cool to see in person.
Another one! Too cool! Did you get to peek inside and see what condition it was in? I guess pretty good since he's actually cooking on it.
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I happened to see this in a front yard while driving by the other day. Circled back several times to see what the heck it was and ended up knocking on the door. Spoke with the "owner" who has several Weber gassers and picked this one up at a yard sale many years ago. He gave it to his tenant who has been using it all summer. Lid handle re-welded on, definitely a cooker, but very cool to see in person.
Another one! Too cool! Did you get to peek inside and see what condition it was in? I guess pretty good since he's actually cooking on it.
It had a number of lava rocks in place, so I could not see the burner. Looked like a kettle with charcoal at first glance.
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I happened to see this in a front yard while driving by the other day. Circled back several times to see what the heck it was and ended up knocking on the door. Spoke with the "owner" who has several Weber gassers and picked this one up at a yard sale many years ago. He gave it to his tenant who has been using it all summer. Lid handle re-welded on, definitely a cooker, but very cool to see in person.
Another one! Too cool! Did you get to peek inside and see what condition it was in? I guess pretty good since he's actually cooking on it.
It had a number of lava rocks in place, so I could not see the burner. Looked like a kettle with charcoal at first glance.
Ok thanks.
That must have been the first thought the guy I bought mine from had, because it turns out he was filling it with charcoal and lighting it. :o
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Man am I a procrastinator...
I see it's been a little over two years since I started this thread and I've done nothing (except get some really beautiful wood for it). I went out this morning to start working on it and pulled the old deflector out and was kind of surprised at how little it was. See now that I have a normal Weber 22 Kettle Gasser I have a source of comparison. Here's a picture of the deflector that came with the WGKC (lighter shade of metal) laying on top of the deflector in my standard 22 Gasser Kettle. I wonder if this is part of the reason these cart versions didn't last long. Has anyone ever seen a smaller deflector like this in a normal gas kettle?
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/IMG_2465.jpg)
P.S. I fixed the image links in the original post. I apparently lost my hosting site some time back and it broke all the image links. Fortunately I had them saved off so I could fix the links.
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Wow! Cool specimen. Thanks for bumping with an update.
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ok I only kinda know what your all getting at about the baffle but.... what if you got a stainless pizza pan and hammer it to concave it some and then cut out the middle. like making a stainless 18 ash pan
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Man am I a procrastinator...
I see it's been a little over two years since I started this thread and I've done nothing (except get some really beautiful wood for it). I went out this morning to start working on it and pulled the old deflector out and was kind of surprised at how little it was. See now that I have a normal Weber 22 Kettle Gasser I have a source of comparison. Here's a picture of the deflector that came with the WGKC (lighter shade of metal) laying on top of the deflector in my standard 22 Gasser Kettle. I wonder if this is part of the reason these cart versions didn't last long. Has anyone ever seen a smaller deflector like this in a normal gas kettle?
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/IMG_2465.jpg)
P.S. I fixed the image links in the original post. I apparently lost my hosting site some time back and it broke all the image links. Fortunately I had them saved off so I could fix the links.
@AZRaptor I have a NG perm mount kettle I will look at tonight I believe the deflector is smaller I will compare with my regular gas kettle and let you know
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Man am I a procrastinator...
I see it's been a little over two years since I started this thread and I've done nothing (except get some really beautiful wood for it). I went out this morning to start working on it and pulled the old deflector out and was kind of surprised at how little it was. See now that I have a normal Weber 22 Kettle Gasser I have a source of comparison. Here's a picture of the deflector that came with the WGKC (lighter shade of metal) laying on top of the deflector in my standard 22 Gasser Kettle. I wonder if this is part of the reason these cart versions didn't last long. Has anyone ever seen a smaller deflector like this in a normal gas kettle?
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t432/HighRideBOV/Weber%20Gas%20Kettle%20Cart/IMG_2465.jpg)
P.S. I fixed the image links in the original post. I apparently lost my hosting site some time back and it broke all the image links. Fortunately I had them saved off so I could fix the links.
@AZRaptor I have a NG perm mount kettle I will look at tonight I believe the deflector is smaller I will compare with my regular gas kettle and let you know
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/fa14426270259c21d687d90b0f2e9480.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/e4fe9e344709a9296cbe83b1e4757061.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170605/782bf75d4f825e78dc077e63dae06324.jpg)
The black is from a NOS 1979 perm mount NG kettle the older is from 1984 gas kettle deluxe the 79 is actually bigger much lighter and appears to be porcelain probably doesn't help answer your question first time i took any pieces out of the box LOL the one from the 84 may be ss pretty heavy gauge
Sent From My Weber Seeking Samsung
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Hey Liquid, yeah something like that may work, I thought about having one fabricated locally, but for the first round I may just pull the one off my standard Gasser and see how that works to get an idea.
JEBIV, thanks for checking, they look pretty close in size thought there is definitely a difference. I also never realized they made a porcelain covered one, very cool.