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Title: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: austin87 on April 25, 2015, 01:21:38 PM
I picked up a 3.77 lb 7 bone chuck roast and a gourmet pack of dried mushrooms.

Mushrooms went in the food processor to make dust, mixed with salt, pepper, garlic and onion powder, cayenne, and paprika. A coating of Worcestershire sauce on the meat to help it stick. I've never used dried mushrooms like this but I can't imagine it will be bad - not sure how much the mushrooms will contribute to the flavor profile.

Meat is about 1.25" thick with lots of surface area to absorb smoke and cut down on the cook time from a thicker piece of meat. Plan is to pull it and serve with some blue cheese.

Lots of pics on the camera to come after dinner.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment
Post by: Jammato on April 25, 2015, 01:32:44 PM
AH Austin, can I come over for dinner?
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment
Post by: austin87 on April 25, 2015, 01:45:55 PM
@Jammato great to see you in here. I hope the new gig is going well. I'm starting a new job Monday that will probably take a little of my attention away as well.

And of course! I wouldn't turn down a WKCer for dinner when there's plenty to go around.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment
Post by: pbe gummi bear on April 25, 2015, 01:55:34 PM
Sounds great. Looking forward to the pics.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment
Post by: Jammato on April 25, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
@austin87  New job is great. Doing 5 10s. Just the 1 hour commute is eating up the rest of my time
Only getting in one cook a week. What a a grillfella to do?
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment
Post by: 1buckie on April 25, 2015, 04:18:35 PM
" not sure how much the mushrooms will contribute to the flavor profile. "

Probably be really nice.....people add mushroom in search of the ubiquitous "Umami" (the fifth flavor sense)

noun
1.
a strong meaty taste imparted by glutamate and certain other amino acids: often considered to be one of the basic taste sensations along with sweet, sour, bitter, and salty.

Not everbody buys into it:
(Urban Dictionary)

"A bullshit invited flavor that tv chefs pretend to be able to recognize, but can never define. Due to peer pressure they regurgitate keywords to make it appear that they know what it is, but in reality none of them have a clue.
"Dude I just saw Andrew Zimmern describe some butter as having an umami flavor. Last episode it was mushrooms. I'm pretty sure they are making this shit up as they go.""

I've used this stuff in all kinds of things when I could get it....pretty expensive, but I've only ever found it on closeout for cheap......

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd520/1buckie/7-24-2011%201st%20fattie/7-24-20111stFattie027.jpg)
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half of pics added)
Post by: austin87 on April 25, 2015, 05:13:07 PM
Meat Label
(http://i58.tinypic.com/33e4izm.jpg)

Mushroom Package
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Pre-seasoning
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Seasoned
(http://i59.tinypic.com/14vh62o.jpg)

Waiting for thin blue smoke
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2646scj.jpg)

Sweet yellow and red onion, garlic cloves, serrano and habanero pepper - going on the bottom of the Dutch oven
(http://i59.tinypic.com/245wnxe.jpg)

Meat on the grill - used a K Comp minion with mesquite and pecan, added Coshell a bit later
(http://i59.tinypic.com/1zxr30h.jpg)

The close up
(http://i62.tinypic.com/hss0eg.jpg)

Into the 7 quart Dutch oven with the veggies, some beef broth, and a little more Worcestershire
(http://i62.tinypic.com/mhvhv6.jpg)

I started getting hungry so I went the Dutch oven/modified PSB method rather than smoke it until it's tender enough to pull. I'm thinking about 90 minutes and I'll have dinner ready.

More to come.





Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: austin87 on April 25, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
Oh and 1buckie I believe in umami! I always think of miso soup... it has a richness that you shouldn't be able to get from veggies and fermented bean paste.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: 1911Ron on April 25, 2015, 05:58:18 PM
It looks good and i bet it tasted better! How long did you have it on the grill before putting it in the DO?  What is PSB method?
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: austin87 on April 25, 2015, 06:27:28 PM
@1911Ron it's still cooking but I did sneak a forkful and I'm pretty excited. I cooked it until about 160*, it took 3 hours or so at 250. PSB is pepper stout beef. Basically you smoke a piece of chuck roast to 160* internal, then put it in a foil pan or DO on a bed of sliced peppers, onions, and garlic, covered with stout beer and Worcestershire. Cook covered until meat will pull. Basically, it's a half smoke, half braise in liquid. Since I let this smoke and then steam in beef broth and its own juices, I called it the PSB method.

I believe this is the original recipe, but if someone else knows better please chime in. Lots of guys here have done it and it blows people away with how delicious it is. http://wolfepit.blogspot.com/2009/10/pepper-stout-beef.html
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: 1911Ron on April 25, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
@1911Ron it's still cooking but I did sneak a forkful and I'm pretty excited. I cooked it until about 160*, it took 3 hours or so at 250. PSB is pepper stout beef. Basically you smoke a piece of chuck roast to 160* internal, then put it in a foil pan or DO on a bed of sliced peppers, onions, and garlic, covered with stout beer and Worcestershire. Cook covered until meat will pull. Basically, it's a half smoke, half braise in liquid. Since I let this smoke and then steam in beef broth and its own juices, I called it the PSB method.

I believe this is the original recipe, but if someone else knows better please chime in. Lots of guys here have done it and it blows people away with how delicious it is. http://wolfepit.blogspot.com/2009/10/pepper-stout-beef.html
Cool thanks for the info.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: addicted-to-smoke on April 26, 2015, 05:47:01 AM
... Basically, it's a half smoke, half braise in liquid. ...

Sounds really smart! Gotta try this. That a 5 or 7 QT dutch oven?
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: jamesnomore on April 26, 2015, 05:57:48 AM
I use mushrooms in some of my rubs, I like the earthy flavor and I think it helps the rub cling to the meat as it absorbs moisture. Great cook up!
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: WNC on April 26, 2015, 07:35:19 AM
Looks good so far, can't wait to see the rest!
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: austin87 on April 26, 2015, 08:49:40 AM
After I put everything in the DO I added some more Coshell to get the temp up to 350*. It cooked for about 90 minutes with the lid on then another 30 with the lid off to reduce a little bit of liquid.

Resting in the braising liquid (@addicted-to-smoke it's a 7 quart DO)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/dr2kyb.jpg)

Bone just about falling out

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2mrgleg.jpg)

Toasting buns

(http://i62.tinypic.com/amozfd.jpg)

Melted blue cheese spread into the ciabatta roll with a big pile of meat

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2i2ia9.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/1qobvc.jpg)

This turned out crazy good. It had a really full and deep flavor. Like @jamesnomore said earthy... it was really complex. The sweet onion caramelized a little bit and added a sweetness I wasn't expecting. The 7 bone chuck roast was good because it had a ton of surface area but it seemed like it was naturally a little tougher to shred than a normal chuckie and I would probably use that next time.

Overall I would highly recommend doing something like this. I only had to buy the meat and mushrooms, everything else I had lying around so it was pretty cheap and I've got a good pot of leftovers we will probably put over some mashed or baked potatoes tonight. Some variations would be to add wine or beer in addition to the beef broth, even more mushrooms, or put something like pieces of carrot and potato in the braising liquid to make it a little more like a one dish pot roast meal. There are obviously a lot more but I think the dried mushroom rub worked great!

Thanks for looking
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: addicted-to-smoke on April 26, 2015, 08:53:35 AM
Wine and/or cranberry juice would probably be great, too. Thanks!
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: 1buckie on April 26, 2015, 09:05:38 AM
Wine and/or cranberry juice would probably be great, too. Thanks!

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd520/1buckie/2015/Pork%20Ma%20-%20%20Chuck/P1010013.jpg)

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd520/1buckie/2015/Pork%20Ma%20-%20%20Chuck/P1010014.jpg)

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd520/1buckie/2015/Pork%20Ma%20-%20%20Chuck/P1010019.jpg)

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd520/1buckie/2015/Pork%20Ma%20-%20%20Chuck/P1010011.jpg)
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: Idahawk on April 26, 2015, 10:30:01 AM
Great looking cook , we enjoy the Chuck roasts a lot .


  " Esto Perpertua "
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: austin87 on April 26, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
@1buckie does the sauce taste like root beer or does that cook out and leave a little sweetness behind? I can see root beer and ice cream.... Having a little trouble putting the flavor of beef and root beer together in my brain!  :o

That said I don't doubt your wizardry!
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: 1buckie on April 26, 2015, 12:34:35 PM
@1buckie does the sauce taste like root beer or does that cook out and leave a little sweetness behind? I can see root beer and ice cream.... Having a little trouble putting the flavor of beef and root beer together in my brain!  :o

That said I don't doubt your wizardry!

It's just a little sweet, but hugely so.....sort of 'reduced' down, concentrated.....right about equal to the beef, the vegetable flavors.....the squash in this really came thru nice.....wouldn't have thought of it, but I had a spare laying around...... :D
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: 1buckie on April 26, 2015, 12:41:56 PM
PS: you will note, I didn't use Orange soda........people have used Dr. Pepper with brisket for years......
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: WNC on April 26, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Nice finish!
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: Andrew on May 03, 2015, 05:37:17 PM
I've got a buddy who swears by reduced cola for the base of his rib bbq sauce. I've had and though it's a little sweet for my taste it is tasty.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (all cooking pics added)
Post by: addicted-to-smoke on May 04, 2015, 03:41:04 AM
I saw a bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's "Cola Q" BBQ sauce in the store, so yeah I guess using soda in the sauce is "a thing."

I'd try it, because BBQ ... but I'm not sure I'd want BBQ that's already sweeter than "normal" BBQ sauces.
Title: Re: 7 bone chuck roast experiment (first half pics added)
Post by: SixZeroFour on May 05, 2015, 11:30:14 AM
This turned out crazy good.

You're not kidding - that looks fantastic!