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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: G$ on January 11, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
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I had been under the impression that the Hex Boly Style (as opposed to the H connector style) was no longer made or available.
I recently ordered one from Amazon, and was pleased to find that it was in fact a Hex Bolt style. I am not sure if anyone else was under this impression, but now you know, if you are doing a replacement and really want the Hex Bolt stlyle with thumb screw, that option may be available to you.
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I've seen those new ones' & I think they're daffy as shit....
THANK YOU........
Was it any particular supplier thru Amazon, or just generally Amazon ?
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buckie, I too dislike the H type.
I am almost certain it was direct from amazon. I can tell you for sure that my prime membership shipped it free, and I can tell you for sure that the description specified it was the hex type, even though I was half expecting the daffy kind.
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thanks for the info on this !!!
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Although I do not need them, I considered buying 3 or 4 extra.
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From one of the reviews:
"The other thing they don't mention in the product description is that your testicles (or ovaries, depending) will instantly swell 30% in size, because you just fixed your own grill by hand rather than buying a new one. "
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Haha, that is the one, I remember reading that review.
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I thought it was the other way around? The hex was the standard vs the H being discontinued? I spend the extra $.25 to get a ss bolt for the bottom so it doesnt rust out.
L
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Naw, the "H" deal is the latest new rocket science mousetrap thingamabob.....
The wings themselves are the thing that gives out 1st for me........
Bolt wouldn't hurt, though !!
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OK Guys,
the "Hex" bolt system is the standard. Its made of plated steel. It will rust!
The "H" set up is SS, Yes, S-T-A-I-N-L-E-S-S Steel. It si the better product. You will only find it on Golds and Performers. Unless Weber changed things, both parts are still available. You won;t find the H drive in a hardware store. You have to order it.
If you like the Hex bolt, they sell for around $12 on average.
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OK Guys,
the "Hex" bolt system is the standard. Its made of plated steel. It will rust!
The "H" set up is SS, Yes, S-T-A-I-N-L-E-S-S Steel. It si the better product. You will only find it on Golds and Performers. Unless Weber changed things, both parts are still available. You won;t find the H drive in a hardware store. You have to order it.
If you like the Hex bolt, they sell for around $12 on average.
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I thought that was the case. I've yet to see the H style in the stores. I wanted to get one for my 22.
Craig
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OK Guys,
the "Hex" bolt system is the standard. Its made of plated steel. It will rust!
The "H" set up is SS, Yes, S-T-A-I-N-L-E-S-S Steel. It si the better product. You will only find it on Golds and Performers. Unless Weber changed things, both parts are still available. You won;t find the H drive in a hardware store. You have to order it.
If you like the Hex bolt, they sell for around $12 on average.
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Time out. I could only find "H" style when fixing a O/S performer this summer.
They did not carry the hex style. They are a large Ace/Weber dealer. All I can say, they do not work in old performer with bracket ash holder.
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Just curious GLR, was it stainless or could weber possibly be doing away with the hex type and making H style out of tin like the original hex? ???
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If the h styles i have are stainless, then they are the most worthless pieces of stainless i have ever seen. Stainless should not rust after 3 years in the desert.
Fwiw, give me the $12 hex bolt any day, except yeah, now i am remembering something qbout the way the buckets mount. Gonna go look tomorrow.
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Just curious GLR, was it stainless or could weber possibly be doing away with the hex type and making H style out of tin like the original hex? ???
To be honest, I am not sure. They just told me if would work. Just told it was new and easier. I fought that SOB! Could not use the washer and it is tight as he!!. I gifted to my son and said it has to be replaced by the "Hex" style.
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after being forced to use a dremel to remove EVERY SINGLE HEX style system i've ever had to remove (6+), I strongly prefer the H style
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after being forced to use a dremel to remove EVERY SINGLE HEX style system i've ever had to remove (6+), I strongly prefer the H style
A different vote....that's cool....... 8)
I just think that using pressure against the bottom of the kettle to hold it in place does not bode well over time.......
In a few years, when a lot of folks are replacing them, we'll see if the rocket surgeon who invented them still has a job !
I've replaced maybe 30 of them over many years, some twice & three times on the same kettle.......
I am the Samsonite Gorilla !!!
Angle grinder, 2 minutes max.....
The "H" style is right flush up against the body of the kettle & may prove dicey to remove without damage to the bell.....I could be wrong !?
I guess it would be OK if they have both available, so people can pick which they'd like......
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I am not a every night griller so this is just what I heard and had some breif experience with. It might have been covered in another thread also.
It is all about the charcoal you use, kingsford has a lot of filler and clay. When the ashes fall into the bowl and allowed to sit on the cleaning system, it absorbs mositure from the air and drippings. It turns into a sloppy clay mixture, keeping your cleaning system bathing in a corrosive (fatty acids and salty marinates) wet mixture until you clean it out. Natural wood chunks/chips or 100% wood charcoal burns into a fine powdery ash that does not absorb moisture like the clay ash of the kingsford charcoal.
I use 100% wood charcoal and have not replaced my ash sweeps. But I don't cook out as much either.
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If an Ace hardware has the "H" set up, that would be a suprise to me. But out here in disposable California, they don't sell too many replacement parts in the stores.
In using either set up, I recommend that you put a small amount of grease on the handle where it slides into the connection, or for those hwo know, "Anti Sieze" And if you go with the "Hex" set up, change the screw to SS. If you ever need to remove them, spray some WD-40 or a really good penetrating oil. Then leave ti alone for a few days. Repeat it. I have had to cut out dozens of these things because they rust like theres no tomorrow.
The "H" drives are a bit trickier, but patience and knowledge are key to removal. 8)
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"The "H" drives are a bit trickier, but patience and knowledge are key to removal."
But what if I'm impatient?
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Patience is a virtue.. Use the skills you learn from here to speed up the process..
Otherwise, your impatience is going to cost you money, pain and stress.
And not necessarily in that order. The "hex" drives are $12 at Amazon. If the grill is bad shape, cut it off and install a new one Its a 10 minute job. The "H" drives are more pricey, but rarely need replaced. A little cleaning and good to go. 8)
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Patience is a virtue.. Use the skills you learn from here to speed up the process..
Otherwise, your impatience is going to cost you money, pain and stress.
And not necessarily in that order. The "hex" drives are $12 at Amazon. If the grill is bad shape, cut it off and install a new one Its a 10 minute job. The "H" drives are more pricey, but rarely need replaced. A little cleaning and good to go. 8)
Thanks for that.....
From up above: ^^^^^^^^
"I've replaced maybe 30 of them over many years, some twice & three times on the same kettle.......
I am the Samsonite Gorilla !!!
Angle grinder, 2 minutes max....."
That was a joke....
I'm the most patient person you will ever know..... :)
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Ok this might sound strange, but I unscrew and rescrew my hex bolt on my sweeper 1 to 2 times a season, out of fear it will rust and fuse. I too had to Dremel out my orignal one, it was not one of my favorite things to do.
Craig
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To remove the old sweep, I just use a hacksaw to cut it flush with the bottom of the bowl. A quick tap of the hacksaw handle on the remaining nut, and it pops right out. I like my power tools as much as the next guy, but sometimes an old-fashioned cordless, batteryless tool is just the thing.
I definitely prefer the newer 'H' style. Can't speak to its longevity, obviously, but I like the way the sweep handle stays locked into position instead of twisting all around like the thumbscrew type. I have always gotten mine directly from Weber. They sometimes have a hard time finding them, so mention part #90993 if you want the 'H' type. They are like 11 bucks before shipping.
(oh, and speaking of ordering from Weber, if you are looking for a fresh set of the stamped-metal char baskets, make sure you buy them individually-- part #62423 is a single basket for about 3 bucks. If you order a set in the fancy box, they will cost about 15 bucks. ;-)
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I just stick with the stainless H style. It's a one time buy and there's never any cutting involved. When there is I use a sawzall.
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I definitely prefer the newer 'H' style. Can't speak to its longevity, obviously, but I like the way the sweep handle stays locked into position instead of twisting all around like the thumbscrew type. I have always gotten mine directly from Weber. They sometimes have a hard time finding them, so mention part #90993 if you want the 'H' type. They are like 11 bucks before shipping.
So this is not the same "H" style part that can be had on Ebay/Amazon?
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The model number on the box is 7409, but weber part number is 307409 for the hex kit I bought one about a month ago from weber, weber still has them for 14.99 on page 2 of the open ash catcher parts.Weber.com replacement parts. http://store.weber.com/items/?pid=1301
Danny
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If you have Amazon Prime, the 7409 is $12 before Tax.
If Weber sells the H set, I am pretty sure its 9072., not 90993.
And "Thanks" Mike, the price of the baskets is fantastic! Part 62423.
AJ
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Sorry if I'm giving misleading parts numbers. Those are the numbers (#90993) that worked for me this fall when I was ordering.
I stand corrected.
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From reillyranch:
" When the ashes fall into the bowl and allowed to sit on the cleaning system, it absorbs mositure from the air and drippings. It turns into a sloppy clay mixture, keeping your cleaning system bathing in a corrosive (fatty acids and salty marinates) wet mixture until you clean it out. "
From AJ:
"In using either set up, I recommend that you put a small amount of grease on the handle where it slides into the connection, or for those hwo know, "Anti Sieze" And if you go with the "Hex" set up, change the screw to SS. If you ever need to remove them, spray some WD-40 or a really good penetrating oil. Then leave ti alone for a few days. Repeat it. "
From: mike.stavlund
"Can't speak to its longevity, obviously, but I like the way the sweep handle stays locked into position instead of twisting all around like the thumbscrew type."
All these things make a lot of sense.....
I'm still not completely sold on the "H" type, as they use the bottom of the kettle directly as a pressure point, just doesn't seem right.....
Maybe I'm just old & set in my ways...... :)
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Another vote for H, but primarily for the stainless blades. The hex style I've always had to cut off, while the H style I've been able to take off bend and re-install.
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I would argue that either set up uses the bottom of the bowl as a pressure point. Nothing that causes any damage to the bowl. IMHO
The staimless will last longer with minimal maintenance. If you take the aluminized steel one apart every so often and clean it, I beleive it will last a fair amount of time.
Either or, whatever works for ya. I personally like the SS handle on the H drive. 8)
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I would argue that either set up uses the bottom of the bowl as a pressure point. Nothing that causes any damage to the bowl. IMHO
The staimless will last longer with minimal maintenance. If you take the aluminized steel one apart every so often and clean it, I beleive it will last a fair amount of time.
Either or, whatever works for ya. I personally like the SS handle on the H drive. 8)
OK, I'm getting closer..... 8)
Another vote for H, but primarily for the stainless blades. The hex style I've always had to cut off, while the H style I've been able to take off bend and re-install.
Stainless Blades ?
Sold !!!!
this I did not know, y'all have twisted my arm the right way !!!!
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Glad this thread started some spirited discussion. Just wait until my next one on the controversial subject about which shape of lid holder rollers is better.
(The answer is "the kind with a small spool style end on one side rather than a plane tube")
:-X
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Speaking of blades, I just bent the hell out of one of my One Touch blades trying to remove the charcoal grate that somehow slipped out of my hand and caught under the blade tip. Do the stainless steel ones bend easily? :-\
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Speaking of blades, I just bent the hell out of one of my One Touch blades trying to remove the charcoal grate that somehow slipped out of my hand and caught under the blade tip. Do the stainless steel ones bend easily? :-\
Good Question.....
Inquiring minds want to know !
Second most common kettle mishap, after stabbing the front leg in the ground moving one across the yard..... :'(
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They all bend easily.. Take it apart first. You will neve get it tight against the bowl if you don't.
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Time to replace with H!
And time for one of AJ's how to video's on replacing a H sweeper assembly.
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Time to replace with H!
And time for one of AJ's how to video's on replacing a H sweeper assembly.
AJ's right............for once. ;) The SS is the way to go. He actually showed me how to remove them and it's a snap now. He's also right about just taking them completely off and bending them back just a little further than needed and they will fit snug and shut down again. I just hope they don't do away with the ss now. ::)
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You guys will never covince me! Next you'll try to tell me the Heat shield Handles are better too!
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You guys will never covince me! Next you'll try to tell me the Heat shield Handles are better too!
Hey I like those! :o
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I don't like the look of the heat shield handles.. I'm sure they work, but not very eye appealing.. 8)
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I don't like the look of the heat shield handles.. I'm sure they work, but not very eye appealing.. 8)
I'm thinking bloody knuckles every time I lift the lid.
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You guys will never covince me! Next you'll try to tell me the Heat shield Handles are better too!
Hey I like those! :o
Say it aint so!
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I'm actually surprised that Weber still makes 2 kinds. But I'm glad that they do.