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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: pbe gummi bear on April 24, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
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Hi, I just recently got my first daisy wheel MBH. I cleaned it up and plan to cherish it but I don't really have an urge to fire it up. Cleaning the bowl and using three vents doesn't quite appeal to me. Does this make me a bad Grillfella? Anyone else feel this way? If it were a 26'r I may reconsider. :)
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Be kind. 8)
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They scare me. I don't understand them.
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What. No, they're great to cook on. You simply have more control of where the intake/airflow comes in. I wish my Performer Platinum had the daisy wheels. Except it's not as easy to empty the ashes later. On the Performer I'd hate to tip the whole table over to empty it!
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I'm excited about getting a Smokey Mountain and having the 3 vents as well.
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I'm excited about getting a Smokey Mountain and having the 3 vents as well.
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I use my WSM's more but I really only use one vent for temp control. I have the WSM in the corner so I the two vents along the wall are cracked just a bit and the one in front is usually at 50% or so. I don't mind the vents for the WSM as it's more "set and forget" but it still is kinda of a pain to clean. The ranch also has 3 daisy vents but I'll argue they are a little small for a cooker of that size.
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I have no desire, I have owned a few daisy wheel and prefer the OT system 10x's over.
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Bad gummi
Kidding
I'm with you
For me, they're usually all open or all closed.
If you have a thermometer, you can tell if it's too hot and start closing them down.
But it's a three wheeler, you don't need a stinking thermometer - you cook by touch. Just like in the olden days.
OT is easier, and the food is just as good.
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Daisy Wheels are all I cook on.
The two I use all the time are pretty beat up (but still solid) mid 70s greys. I have 3 BEAUTIFUL daisy wheelers that I just haven't been able to talk myself into using.
It's a hell of a conundrum I tell ya.
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I should have clarified that I have cooked on daisies in the past, but nothing too serious and I wasn't planning on keeping those kettles permanently. This MBH is the first one I plan to keep. So I have tried it before I deciding its not for me. I'm always willing to try things at least once!
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Not want to cook on a three wheeler? next you'll be telling us you own a BGE ::) Oh wait..... ;D
I have a couple now that i want to get started cooking on more. :)
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I like to cook on the daisy wheels grills. I like the extra control as with the WSMs. They are nice for smoking low and slow when I don't want to use the WSM. I will agree with you that I hate when its time to clean them out though!
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I love my three wheeler, I use a Maverick to monitor Temps.
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I love my black daisy wheel for doing pizza. It also works good for banking the coals and running the rotisserie.
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All this talk of daisy wheels has motivated me to kick the old girl over
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And through on some beef ribs
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We match, Hogsy!
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3 wheelers aren't worth the hassle.
bending down and using tongs to adjust vents.
too hot, close some vents
not hot enough, open the vents
oops, vents are clogged up with ash, better poke around or tap tap tap to get some air in there
more precision air control, yes - but minimal.
more exercise in the form of bend down, poke and tap, walking laps around the kettle... it sucks
and i'm a big fan of re-using charcoal. i extinguish coals when I'm done cooking, and when I'm cooking again the next day I add new lit coals to the old unlit.
All of my grills have a solid bed of leftover coals just waiting to be re-used. This makes emptying the ash out of a 3-wheeler a total pain.
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Three wheel daisy kettles are completely dead for me. They are wonderful to look at and admire, but to use it as a modern day grilling tool in 2014, it's just too much aggravation and work to cook on one. The three wheel kettles have gone the way of the rotary dial house phone, the 8-track tape player, the VCR, etc.
In fact, I have gone even further and have given up on using 3 legged kettles all together! Unless it's a Performer with a OTG sweep, a lid bale, a built in thermometer, electronic ignition, and a built in work table mounted on a four wheel swivel cart, I won't even bother.
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F-it, I'm going back to gas ;D
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Honestly I prefer the ease of one touch over the daisy wheels. Love the old kettles but don't have some big desire to cook on one just because it's a daisy wheel.
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I honestly don't get how a daisy wheel kettle can be so aggravating and so much work. I've cooked on my newly acquired one four times now, after having my new Performer since last year, and had awesome results and no frustration. The most work I did was to tip it over a bucket after the 3rd cook and set it back down. Took me like 10 seconds. Am I missing something? I'm a BBQ noob, so maybe I don't know when to be aggravated? J/K
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WSM hand held shovel and a 3 wheeler go hand in hand. The temp control on the 3 wheelers wins out for me, then coming into an internal ash catcher seals the deal. When I'm in a hurry or not feeling super vintage, or needing to go portable, I break out a OT.
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The most work I did was to tip it over a bucket after the 3rd cook and set it back down. Took me like 10 seconds. Am I missing something? I'm a BBQ noob, so maybe I don't know when to be aggravated? J/K
I've done that too if not my shovel. I always keep a large ash bucket on the patio. ;)
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All things being equal, I like cooking on an OTG more than using wheel vents. (one can achieve just as much draft control with OT manipulation as with daisy wheel manipulation. I never frankly understood the 'more control' claim, but I digress). Plus, if there is breeze, my default is the enclosed ash pan by habit.
But.
I also like cooking on three wheelers. Period. It is fun, different, and not "hard". I can re-use coal just fine a time or two with them, and i do not mind moving a grate with some speent coal around. I will say, these two things make 3 wheeler cooking more enjoyable:
An internal HC ash pan
Using a fireplace or similar brush for clean up.
In order of preference, OTG> 3 wheeler with internal pan > OTS.
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Oooooooh!!! :o ;)
http://youtu.be/LfMZPMSA2As
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Oooooooh!!! :o ;)
http://youtu.be/LfMZPMSA2As
According to that TV commercial, one touch was around as far back as 1983? I didn't think the one touch system was that old? I thought it came about in the late 80's/early 90's? Thanks for posting that.
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Oooooooh!!! :o ;)
http://youtu.be/LfMZPMSA2As
According to that TV commercial, one touch was around as far back as 1983? I didn't think the one touch system was that old? I thought it came about in the late 80's/early 90's? Thanks for posting that.
Oh yeah.... 8) In 1983, the One Touch was the new "premium model". The oldest known OT's at this time are "E" code... two of our members each own or have owned a 1983 Chocolate 22.5 OT... Zavod44 and Maxbobcat.
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Oooooooh!!! :o ;)
http://youtu.be/LfMZPMSA2As
According to that TV commercial, one touch was around as far back as 1983? I didn't think the one touch system was that old? I thought it came about in the late 80's/early 90's? Thanks for posting that.
I think that there were a few provisionals filed but the two most prominent ones are patent #CA (Canada) 413907 filed on Oct 21, 1982 and Patent US4416248 a- a continuation-in-part of U.S. Ser. No. 222,125, filed Jan. 22, 1981: http://www.google.com/patents/US4416248
"A barbecue kettle has radially aligned slots in the hemispheroidal bottom thereof. A discis mounted immediately above the center of the bottomfor rotation about a vertical axis and has threearms secured thereto. A handle below the bottom issecured to the disc. The arms are generallytriangular in cross-section and have distal edgesfitting closely to the bottom. In one position, thearms cover the bowl openings, but may be rotated backand forth to push ash along the bottom of the bowlto the openings where it will fall out. The disc,arms and handle are designed to be assembled withoutusing any tools."
There's also a patent filed in 1999 for the 7444 style ash sweep.
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Three wheel daisy kettles are completely dead for me. They are wonderful to look at and admire, but to use it as a modern day grilling tool in 2014, it's just too much aggravation and work to cook on one. The three wheel kettles have gone the way of the rotary dial house phone, the 8-track tape player, the VCR, etc.
In fact, I have gone even further and have given up on using 3 legged kettles all together! Unless it's a Performer with a OTG sweep, a lid bale, a built in thermometer, electronic ignition, and a built in work table mounted on a four wheel swivel cart, I won't even bother.
I think I may have struck a raw nerve by using the words "aggravation" and "work" when describing a 3-wheel kettle. Allow me to elaborate... I enjoy the grilling experience, smelling the smoke, hearing the sizzle of the food, tending to the food, etc. I do not enjoy fiddling up underneath the kettle adjusting the individual hot air vents by opening and closing them repeatedly, trying to get it just right. I do not enjoy having to work at getting the fire started. I do not enjoy having to hang my lid down low on that small hook inside the lid and burning the inside of my forearm every time I want to take a peek at the food. I don't enjoy having to get out additional tools like a shovel and brush to clean the bowl afterwards, etc. I must emphasize that this is just me and I know everyone is different. To me, it is work and I don't want any part of my grilling experience to resemble work.
Anything that eliminates these steps and allows me to spend more grilling time drinking beer, relaxing, talking to my neighbor over the back fence and all those parts of the grilling experience that I enjoy is truly a plus - a tremendous plus. If the three wheel design was truly superior, then the one touch system should have failed years ago and Weber would have discontinued making them? I must emphasize that what is work to one is a labor of love to another.
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Oh yeah.... 8) In 1983, the One Touch was the new "premium model". The oldest known OT's at this time are "E" code... two of our members each own or have owned a 1983 Chocolate 22.5 OT... Zavod44 and Maxbobcat.
That's cool I picked one up on the side of the road the other day
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Was gonna flip it but I might keep it for nostalgia's sake
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I honestly don't get how a daisy wheel kettle can be so aggravating and so much work. I've cooked on my newly acquired one four times now, after having my new Performer since last year, and had awesome results and no frustration. The most work I did was to tip it over a bucket after the 3rd cook and set it back down. Took me like 10 seconds. Am I missing something? I'm a BBQ noob, so maybe I don't know when to be aggravated? J/K
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Same here, in fact I can't stand OT's. Don't get me started on all of those extra parts either. I hate how the only way to keep the temp down is to barely crack the bottom vent. With my three wheeler I do about twenty cooks before I dump the ash into a bucket. Then I just brush it out and put it back to work. No ash pan whatsoever needed either. When cooking I only use one of the front vents and leave the rest of them closed all of the time. A grill doesn't need that much air. No more air than one bottom vent can deliver anyways. I'm really shocked in fact my eyes are bleeding as I read about how you guys feel about the three wheelers. Please allow me relieve you all of the burden by having you to send them over here to me where they can be appreciated. ;D
A solution to all of these issues would be for Weber to start using the ranch kettle top vents as bottom vents. They will last forever, one vent rather than those goofy blades, and never rust. The hole would be big enough for you to just sweep it out easily by hand when you are preparing to use it. :)
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Three wheel daisy kettles are completely dead for me. They are wonderful to look at and admire, but to use it as a modern day grilling tool in 2014, it's just too much aggravation and work to cook on one. The three wheel kettles have gone the way of the rotary dial house phone, the 8-track tape player, the VCR, etc.
In fact, I have gone even further and have given up on using 3 legged kettles all together! Unless it's a Performer with a OTG sweep, a lid bale, a built in thermometer, electronic ignition, and a built in work table mounted on a four wheel swivel cart, I won't even bother.
I think I may have struck a raw nerve by using the words "aggravation" and "work" when describing a 3-wheel kettle. Allow me to elaborate... I enjoy the grilling experience, smelling the smoke, hearing the sizzle of the food, tending to the food, etc. I do not enjoy fiddling up underneath the kettle adjusting the individual hot air vents by opening and closing them repeatedly, trying to get it just right. I do not enjoy having to work at getting the fire started. I do not enjoy having to hang my lid down low on that small hook inside the lid and burning the inside of my forearm every time I want to take a peek at the food. I don't enjoy having to get out additional tools like a shovel and brush to clean the bowl afterwards, etc. I must emphasize that this is just me and I know everyone is different. To me, it is work and I don't want any part of my grilling experience to resemble work.
There's an app for that
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The daisy wheels are not crappy cookers by any means but the OT fits MY needs better. I think it's cool that some of you enjoy vintage cooks, fine temp control, and the different experience of cooking on a daisy but it's not something I want to explore further at this point in time. My perspective could also be because I got started in bbq with a WSM. I don't do long smokes on a kettle that often. Maybe one day when I have a more permanent grilling area, more mouths to feed, and have the opportunity to grill more often I'll find the daisy to be more rewarding.
I honestly don't get how a daisy wheel kettle can be so aggravating and so much work. I've cooked on my newly acquired one four times now, after having my new Performer since last year, and had awesome results and no frustration. The most work I did was to tip it over a bucket after the 3rd cook and set it back down. Took me like 10 seconds. Am I missing something? I'm a BBQ noob, so maybe I don't know when to be aggravated? J/K
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Same here, in fact I can't stand OT's. Don't get me started on all of those extra parts either. I hate how the only way to keep the temp down is to barely crack the bottom vent. With my three wheeler I do about twenty cooks before I dump the ash into a bucket. Then I just brush it out and put it back to work. No ash pan whatsoever needed either. When cooking I only use one of the front vents and leave the rest of them closed all of the time. A grill doesn't need that much air. No more air than one bottom vent can deliver anyways. I'm really shocked in fact my eyes are bleeding as I read about how you guys feel about the three wheelers. Please allow me relieve you all of the burden by having you to send them over here to me where they can be appreciated. ;D
A solution to all of these issues would be for Weber to start using the ranch kettle top vents as bottom vents. They will last forever, one vent rather than those goofy blades, and never rust. The hole would be big enough for you to just sweep it out easily by hand when you are preparing to use it. :)
Hey Duke, I can't wait to see your "One Touch daisy" mod using an RK vent. It's amazing you can get 20 cooks without your vent's clogging. Maybe one day they'll invent "no-ash" carcoal. 8)
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Hey Duke, I can't wait to see your "One Touch daisy" mod using an RK vent. It's amazing you can get 20 cooks without your vent's clogging. Maybe one day they'll invent "no-ash" carcoal. 8)
Thanks, i'll explain my system at the Argent Flame met up. We can discuss it over some lumpia and Pancit. :)
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i've got a lot of cooks on my red 26 without emptying... but now it really needs to be emptied. The ash is up over the level of the charcoal grate.
Not looking forward to that task :(
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i've got a lot of cooks on my red 26 without emptying... but now it really needs to be emptied. The ash is up over the level of the charcoal grate.
Not looking forward to that task :(
Yep, that's how I do it. I don't empty it until it slides down to the one front vent I use. I also use a homemade basket and just keep topping it off before each cook.
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Daisy wheel comparison , here's a mini ranch/ compact daisy wheel next to a 22 and an 18 daisy wheel
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Thanks Hogsy, I thought about trying to put one of those Mini Ranch or SJP vents on an 18, but didn't have one. I'm thinking the full ranch lid vent on a 22, but it would probably need to be concaved a little more.
BTW, I hope I didn't sound pissed. It's all in good fun and to each his own on what they like to cook on. I have just long been under the impression that most members here prefered the three wheelers but boy was I wrong.
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Thanks Hogsy, I thought about trying to put one of those Mini Ranch or SJP vents on an 18, but didn't have one. I'm thinking the full ranch lid vent on a 22, but it would probably need to be concaved a little more.
BTW, I hope I didn't sound pissed. It's all in good fun and to each his own on what they like to cook on. I have just long been under the impression that most members here prefered the three wheelers but boy was I wrong.
to concave the vent, wrap in foil, bolt to a junk lid with a single washer UNDER it, heat up with a map gas torch, tap with a dead blow hammer.
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That or just set it on the grass and drop a bowling ball on it. ;D
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Daisy wheel comparison , here's a mini ranch/ compact daisy wheel next to a 22 and an 18 daisy wheel
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q585/joelhogston/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/54FBB3B5-9514-4BD8-B31B-C51403CF8CAE_zpsb5ahjess.jpg) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/joelhogston/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/54FBB3B5-9514-4BD8-B31B-C51403CF8CAE_zpsb5ahjess.jpg.html)
Hey that mini ranch vent is cool! Any ideas why the hole is oblong?
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What is a mini Ranch? Please explain?
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What is a mini Ranch? Please explain?
the mini ranch, to the best of my memory, is the 22" compact kettle that is available in other countries.
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Well, this thread just goes to show that there is a Weber kettle for everyone.
You like three wheeler kettles - we got 'em! You like one touch - we got 'em! You like big kettles - we got 'em. You like small kettles - we got 'em!
You like lots of color options - we got... well, we've got three color options — unless you're rich, get really lucky, inherit one from your crazy uncle with the Weber problem, win a fist fight at an estate auction, or move to Europe, then yeah, we got 'em!
Gotta love a Weber!! ;D
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Hey that mini ranch vent is cool! Any ideas why the hole is oblong?
It's because the holes in the mini ranch bowl are oblong
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The mini ranch vent looks like a Daisy Wheel vent and a One Touch bowl had a baby and that is the result. I like it!
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Hey that mini ranch vent is cool! Any ideas why the hole is oblong?
It's because the holes in the mini ranch bowl are oblong
lol, in that case any ideas why the holes in the mini ranch bowl are oblong?
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Probably because it was cheap to produce and allows a little more air intake
I don't think much thought went into the design, it's cheap and nasty and the worse product made by Weber IMO ,
Here's a pic of the inside of the bowl
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Yes that's right the legs bolt on through the bowl and no grate tabs
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How could you not want to cook on a daisy wheel!!?? As my wife says, it makes everything spicy ;D
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I agree that they compact kettles are cheap, but I think the single bottom vent would work well in a regular kettle. It just wouldn't sweep the ash out, for you guys that need that. ;D
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The holes are oblong possibly because they are punched out prior to shaping the bowl? Round hole gets stretched to oblong.
Sounds good to me.
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I'll cook on any of them, I really don't care. I find they cook no different, and I can do anything I want to do with no problem on either of them. The one touch is easier no doubt but I'll cook anything on any of them...I'm not scared...
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Three wheel daisy kettles are completely dead for me. They are wonderful to look at and admire, but to use it as a modern day grilling tool in 2014, it's just too much aggravation and work to cook on one. The three wheel kettles have gone the way of the rotary dial house phone, the 8-track tape player, the VCR, etc.
In fact, I have gone even further and have given up on using 3 legged kettles all together! Unless it's a Performer with a OTG sweep, a lid bale, a built in thermometer, electronic ignition, and a built in work table mounted on a four wheel swivel cart, I won't even bother.
I think I may have struck a raw nerve by using the words "aggravation" and "work" when describing a 3-wheel kettle. Allow me to elaborate... I enjoy the grilling experience, smelling the smoke, hearing the sizzle of the food, tending to the food, etc. I do not enjoy fiddling up underneath the kettle adjusting the individual hot air vents by opening and closing them repeatedly, trying to get it just right. I do not enjoy having to work at getting the fire started. I do not enjoy having to hang my lid down low on that small hook inside the lid and burning the inside of my forearm every time I want to take a peek at the food. I don't enjoy having to get out additional tools like a shovel and brush to clean the bowl afterwards, etc. I must emphasize that this is just me and I know everyone is different. To me, it is work and I don't want any part of my grilling experience to resemble work.
Anything that eliminates these steps and allows me to spend more grilling time drinking beer, relaxing, talking to my neighbor over the back fence and all those parts of the grilling experience that I enjoy is truly a plus - a tremendous plus. If the three wheel design was truly superior, then the one touch system should have failed years ago and Weber would have discontinued making them? I must emphasize that what is work to one is a labor of love to another.
Are you aguing with yourself? Did you touch your own nerve? :)
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coming into an internal ash catcher seals the deal.
^^^This. If you're so lucky to find an HC ashpan, use it! Definitely helps even more w/ temp regulation on a 3 wheeler (not that it's hard to get)... especially low n slow.
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I have a newer OT blue that I really like. It's mainly my pizza kettle and it's the one I used in the post I just did in the cooking section. I'm okay with it being an OT because I really like that grill. I just prefer the daisy wheel.