So there's this guy I know *cough* http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/i-no-longer-want-an-ash-can-slide-aside-thermometer-chimney-work-table/msg37815/#msg37815 (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/i-no-longer-want-an-ash-can-slide-aside-thermometer-chimney-work-table/msg37815/#msg37815) *cough* who just picked up some old Weber grill.
It's a charcoal kettle but there's also a normal propane tank attached, like real grills have! Has what appears to be a stainless steel work table surface. It's almost as if he went out of his way to buy this old thing, can you imagine?
The tank has a valve installed, right angle and assumes this is normal. From there a hose/regulator assembly is attached. What he wants to know is, which part comes off when exchanging the tank --- valve stays with tank, or valve stays with fuel line? Apparently this rube has never had anything propane before except for an unfortunate sweat solder incident he doesn't want to talk about again and since the dork bought a grill older than his car, it has no owner's manual.
Also, if you have any tips regarding what size/type/whatever to buy I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
That's not quite a normal tank. The early ss performer had a threaded fitting, but the majority of them have a quick release. Mikeinctown and I have worked through recently. He was lucky enough to find a new qcc1 valve adapter for the old regulator. The newest ss performers also had a qcc1 adapter but they only made them in limited numbers. Check out this thread: http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/cheap-find-but-need-help-with-parts/msg35788/#msg35788
And my thread after post 39 that outlines your options. http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/working-on-ss-performers-gummi-bear-build-log-pic-heavy/msg33369/#msg33369
You will also need to get your tank recertified before they will fill it. Some places can fill a quick connect and allow you to use the existing fitting. Good luck.
Thanks much. I'll make my way through those and some related threads. I may post a picture of the regulator or whatever tomorrow to verify what's actually on it, since I wouldn't recognize any of this stuff otherwise.
Here's a link you may enjoy - http://help.weber.com/manuals/default.aspx#model
From your explanation, I'm guessing you have the quick-connect gas fitting. Looks like an air compressor fitting?
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If so, just pull back on the "silver" part (on the tank valve) and the male end will be loose if it doesn't automatically pop out.
I've taken off the quick-connect male fitting from an old ('92) gasser and threaded this in it's place. A direct fit which got me into a new style tank with no fuss. Found it at Lowes. http://www.bernzomatic.com/item.html?id=63
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The tank will have some dates stamped on it. The tank is likely expired. If you want to go full hog, yo can buy a new tank, regulator and connector. Show us the pic and we will help you figure it out.
AJ 8)
Thanks Chad. I'm not familiar with any of the acronyms but your pix and description are puzzle pieces that help ... and I just now went out and snapped a pic. Haven't looked at the tank except to know I don't want it since it hangs stupidly at an angle.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/181646/images/ss%20performer%20gas.jpg)
Doesn't that appear to be threaded, not quick-disconnect between valve and regulator? I didn't try to pull back on the "double rings" or whatever.
That is not one of the quick disconnects. You'll need to just unthread that from the tank, remove the nipple from the regulator and thread on the new style connector and you are good to go.
What he said.. .. 8)
It is threaded. It is reverse threads to loosen. Go to the Right and it will loosen. That is an old school regulator on a newer OPD tank.
The tank is a great asset to have. It should hang vertical and not at some stupid angle. You've got something else going on that probably pretty easy to fix. Is the base of the tank sitting ON the tab or hanging AGAINST the tab?
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(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/baeseman1/performergas.jpg)
I think he might need a tank scale, that is where the tank should hang. Not from the control panel.
Unscrew from the "Red" Arrow. You will be fine, remember they are reverse threads.
Ya'll are answering questions faster than I can ask them. Thanks again. Chad your Photoshop is very much appreciated as is the info tied into it all. I found the PDF manual Gummi linked to elsewhere - fantastic as well. The restoration thread of the red SS is a keeper.
Regarding the tank listing angle. I can post better pix tomorrow but if I don't go to sleep there won't be a tomorrow for me.
All I can say now is the tank's upper collar is of course curved as you see it but it's hanging on a flat "lip" from the side of the Performer. The base isn't sitting on the lower tab which is why it leans left. So looking down into the access hole for the valve (if the cover were on) you'd see the valve knob canted left.
If i'm not careful I can see this $100 grill doubling in cost just to get the gas going. I'd like to keep this tank if it saves money, looks "right" and stays/becomes modern regarding fittings/refilling/recertified and all that shit.
See the gap at the top hangar? That's why it can lean left (kinda like me -- er, never mind)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/181646/images/top%20of%20propane%20tank.jpg)
It's also too short to reach the bottom tab:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/181646/images/bottom%20of%20propane%20tank.jpg)
Since the tank was only supported by the top tab (hello? dangerous) it had bent it slightly downwards so I bent it back up.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/181646/images/tank%20mount.jpg)
It's a Manchester tank, stamped with WC (water content) of 13 and TW (tare weight) of 9.6 and made 11/2003. It's about 8" round and about 12" tall. My guess is it's a 5lb tank? Size and shape look like this guy's: http://www.motocampers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4014 and the specs bear out on their page here: http://www.mantank.com/products/dotproducts/5-420steel.htm
Anyway, I guess I don't want the tank since it doesn't fit the grill correctly. What I don't understand is there doesn't seem to be much correlation between tank size/capacity and price between the 5/11/20lb models. Don't think I need 20lbs but if the tank is cheapest that way and fits the grill best (yes?), why not?
And I have a question about the regulator. Rust on the bottom of whatever that is between regulator and hose connector, and what's that oval paperclip/safety pin for?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/181646/images/regulator%20underside.jpg)
The regulator is a Marshall Gas Products model 170. My Google-fu resulted in no hits.
The paper clip holds a consumer warning tag. I ordered a new regulator from weber and it was hanging there. I have had a few SS tanks and I don't think any if them had an opd valve. Is it possible yours is aftermarket? The top and bottom tank holder tab are on the same piece and should fit perfectly.
What's the stamp date on the collar? Does it match or close to the kettle age?
"And I have a question about the regulator. Rust on the bottom of whatever that is between regulator and hose connector, and what's that oval paperclip/safety pin for?"
In my experience those usually held a safety tag. You know the one that looks like
crud and is always in the way when trying to screw in the regulator.
Also your tank looks to be in really good shape. Ie newer?
Quote from: pbe gummi bear on June 04, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Also your tank looks to be in really good shape. Ie newer?
From my post above, it's from 2003:
QuoteIt's a Manchester tank, stamped with WC (water content) of 13 and TW (tare weight) of 9.6 and made 11/2003. It's about 8" round and about 12" tall. My guess is it's a 5lb tank? Size and shape look like this guy's: http://www.motocampers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4014 and the specs bear out on their page here: http://www.mantank.com/products/dotproducts/5-420steel.htm
Anyway, I guess I don't want the tank since it doesn't fit the grill correctly. What I don't understand is there doesn't seem to be much correlation between tank size/capacity and price between the 5/11/20lb models. Don't think I need 20lbs but if the tank is cheapest that way and fits the grill best (yes?), why not?
A 20# tank isn't going to fit comfortably under the table because of the width. I'm not sure about the height but I've heard of people putting them underneath. Im also not sure if they have the bin or not though. My tall 11# is roughly the same diameter as the 5# but fits comfortably height wise. You'll need to figure out how to secure it.
I roll mine around a lot so I wanted the tank to fit inside the cart. If I left it in one place I would probably pull the brackets off a gasser to support a 20# tank or just leave it next to it.
OK that's what I get for assuming a 20lb tank was what Weber intended for this Performer (I haven't read the manual yet --- what IS the correct size according to them?)
I don't think I should have to "figure out" how to secure a tank, should I? Although the 11lb is supported from the bottom I'd have to wedge something in at the top to keep it positioned horizontally "perfect" if it's no wider than a 5lb tank.
With your tank being made in 2003, you don't need to worry about re-certification. Just get it filled and get your ass grilling. The tabs you have on the side that hold the tank may be somewhat adjustable. I cannot remember exactly, but I know PBE Gummi mentioned that they were adjustable to me. I'm still looking for a tank. I can say with 100% certainty that a 20lb tank will NOT fit under there with the charcoal bin in place.
while you are enjoying the grilling session, keep an eye out for a curb grill. any of those cheap ass Fiestsa grills will have the new style OPD connector. Remove the regulator asembly and take the OPD connector off at home and then screw it into your regulator. The tank already has the provisions for it. One thing, when you need to get the tank filled, you will most likely need to go to an AGA or other industrial gas supplier as most refill places won't refill the small tanks.
The manual shows it originally came with a 5lb tank and I see no other parts I'm missing. OK I'm sold on keeping my tank for now and will shove a piece of wood or two to "make it fit."
Still a little confused about the OPD connector (this is the black ACME knob?) since I've never seen one in the flesh, but Mike you say it'll connect to my tank?
Honestly, putting a wrench to the nipple connector I already have (which I've since removed from the regulator) isn't much of a hardship. At least it came off easily and quickly.
The rusty thing I mentioned is the test valve.
The current connection threads into the inside of the propane tank. The new connector goes on the outside threads of the tank valve. it's a hand tight connection. The grills originally came with the small 5lb tank. I would download the manual from Weber and make sure there isn't adjustment to your holder panel. The tank should be supported no problem.
Roger that, and thanks again. Perhaps there are variances in tank design; the manual doesn't show anything amiss.
Just as a point of reference I stumbled upon someone selling a refilled 5 lb tank made in 1996 while searching "weber charcoal" on craigslist.
I'm not interested in buying it but it looks like the one in the manual, with a flat back on the top. Presumably it's also a little taller than what I have.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/181646/images/5lb%20propane1.jpg)
The small tank pictured is now illegal to refill. Notice the star type know. OPD;s are triangular. You should only buy it for the propane value or less.
Its possible to get it recertifed, but I would avoid that.
I see new tanks for under $60.
AJ 8)
Quote from: mikeinctown on June 04, 2013, 11:55:20 AM
With your tank being made in 2003, you don't need to worry about re-certification. Just get it filled and get your ass grilling. The tabs you have on the side that hold the tank may be somewhat adjustable. I cannot remember exactly, but I know PBE Gummi mentioned that they were adjustable to me. I'm still looking for a tank. I can say with 100% certainty that a 20lb tank will NOT fit under there with the charcoal bin in place.
The tabs are not adjustable. I am cutting mine in half and remounting them spaced apart to accommodate the 11#. You are really lucky to have an opd valve on your tank so just buy an adapter for it and get it refilled before it expires. It should last you a long time.
BMan's explanation to fix the problem allows you to use a 20# tank. I found the part on my own yesterday at lowes for about $10. I have an older touch n go performer that I'm rehabbing. I had a few 20# tanks from a gas grill I had so there was no use buying or refilling a 5# tank