I decided to try and capture the two hues of old red lids.
The difference is hard/impossible to see in photographs, but obvious in person. Perhaps I have too much sun.
The Wood Dale red is duller and more orange. The Arlington Heights is brighter, more glossy and deeper.
(http://s28.postimg.org/lspaitp9p/image.jpg)
I have heard some people say the Wood Dale red is "bright". I don't get that vibe when I look at them.
Its funny with the reds. I have about 8 red in varying years and models. I bet 6 of them are different hues of red. That's why its so hard to match a paint to them when you want to touch them up.
Mine doesn't have an orange hue to it. Maybe its a newer Wood Dale? It does have a bowl handle that is completely offset though...
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg.html)
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg.html)
it depends on how long each has been in the sun.
i'm sure the paint color and type changed over the years as well.
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Mine doesn't have an orange hue to it. Maybe its a newer Wood Dale? It does have a bowl handle that is completely offset though...
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg.html)
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg.html)
it might be the picture, but I can clearly see an orange hue in yours.
way more than G$s pics.
Agree Troy! Stephen's pictures show exactly what I see with my eye - the orange hue.
Of course there are variances, but I think it is fairly clear the Wood Dales in a general sense are more orange than the later thumb screw reds. The later thumb screws match the colors fairly close of my PAT PENDINGS. No perceptable difference between those.
I don't think this is the case, but it almost appears as if they sprayed the kettle sunburst orange and then went back over with the standard red. It's sort of a muted glow - the kettle still looks "red" overall.
I must be color blind (LOL). I need to line it up with one from the late 1960's early 1970s.
it goes beyond wood dales
my red 26 has an orange hue in the right light, but its pretty close to being a wood dale i guess.
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
I must be color blind (LOL). I need to line it up with one from the late 1960's early 1970s.
Try it. Line them up chronologically. I think you will see a point at which they go from a little Orangeish to red.
Bear in mind, nobody would mistake these for"orange", it's just the tone is more orange than the later reds.
Here's a shot under fluorescent light. Clear difference in the shade but you can see a bit more orange in the Wood Dale... and to the naked eye sunlight only increases the effect imo
(http://www.fraservalleyweddingfestival.com/Weber/MAR15/rcomp1.jpg)
(http://www.fraservalleyweddingfestival.com/Weber/MAR15/rcomp2.jpg)
The lid on the right looks more red than the one on the left to me.The lid on the left has a slightly purple hue. About a year ago I was curious about a NOS 1974 red I purchased. When we had our house painted, I took the lid to Sherwin Williams so they could scan the lid with their "paint scanner". They told me a mix of red and to a much lesser extent purple.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/IMG_2836_zpse50f7d89.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/IMG_2836_zpse50f7d89.jpg.html)
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 12:36:47 PM
The lid on the right looks more red than the one on the left to me.The lid on the left has a slightly purple hue. About a year ago I was curious about a NOS 1974 red I purchased. When we had our house painted, I took the lid to Sherwin Williams so they could scan the lid with their "paint scanner". They told me a mix of red and to a much lesser extent purple.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/IMG_2836_zpse50f7d89.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/IMG_2836_zpse50f7d89.jpg.html)
i think you need to calibrate your monitor!
Monitor means nothing (LOL). In the end it makes no difference to me. I was curious and had the lid scanned at a paint store so they could try and read the color. You should do the same! Darker does not mean more red. :)
Don't make me talk about Metamerism again...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8556/10234227494_a40f166b4f_c.jpg)
Way too many variables to come even close to an answer on this. Light source, Light angle. Surface texture. Gloss level. Flat vs curved sample. Beer consumption. Not to mention the human eye.
I tried to have a lime 22 scanned at Home Depot to get a little touch up paint. Their computer didn't even come close to matching it. This isn't always a reliable way to determine its true hue (at least with a lime kettle)
The guy at Sherwin Williams told me he could get a very close match. i didn't buy any though. He told me it was a slight variation to the Hunting Pink color in the UK. David Brown Tractor(in the UK) has been using this color for years.
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
Monitor means nothing (LOL). In the end it makes no difference to me. I was curious and had the lid scanned at a paint store so they could try and read the color. You should do the same! Darker does not mean more red. :)
color theory is incredibly complicated. despite dabbling in art for 25 years, and having a couple years of graphic design education, I can't even begin to pretend to be an expert on it.
I can, however, tell you that if YOUR monitor is not calibrated to show accurate colors, it won't matter how color blind you are (or are not).
To be truly accurate, your camera would be under scrutiny as well as how the photo was processed.
Add a splash of human perception and a plethora of ambiguous color names and descriptors and we've got ourselves a really pointless argument :P
Regarding the paint machine - those things are designed to produce a matching paint using a preconfigured array of brand specific dyes, pigments, and finishes.
Very handy if you're painting your house to match a grill. Not really worthy of providing value when trying to compare colors (unless it really gave an rgb, hex, cmyk, or other standardized color value)
So did you paint your house to match your wood dale?
Negative on the house paint. Sounds like I should come to you for paint advice though. I'll let you know if I am interested. LOL
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 02:50:50 PM
Negative on the house paint. Sounds like I should come to you for paint advice though. I'll let you know if I am interested. LOL
nooooo :P
my wife is a full time artist. i don't dare have opinions on paint colors
"rgb, hex, cmyk"
Those things are approximations of what actually goes into a color....rgb is an especially detestable way to go about arriving at a color Red, Green, Blue only can go so far in constructing subtleties, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black....quite a bit better, Hex, still a maybe....
Part of the problem here also is we're dealing with solid color, so then there's density thing.....the above systems are meant to work out shadings, lighter color areas, shadowing.....usually not just a block of color.....
A Pantone Matching color would get very close & account for "Darker does not mean more red" and possibly even "Metamerism" darker could mean more blue, but then what form of blue? maybe more black, in combination with a different base red.....
Computer monitors are notorious for being "off" in a number of ways & playing one person's setup against another's only compounds the problem....I could give you a very accurate NUMBER, as I see in a very flat, uninhibited way after years of use of the color matching system, but that would still involve monitors which basically fucks the whole deal.......
Hey Marty....how many Red Master Touch / One Touch Pluses do you have anyway?
Ok from my "perception"
1963 Wood Dale 22 looks orange red hue to my 36 year old eyes glasses or not
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/871fc216ee83aeb655c5caf068dd7a34.jpg)
Fast forward to 1966-68 Arlington Heights ones. They have a deeper red to me. Almost like the cherries in Del Monte fruit cocktail..
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/eae3998f05ce328d1bf239fb1d21460c.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/c56c93dfe2893ad50211fa3d6f994f69.jpg)
1974-75 18.5 (turned into a stubby) and my 1979 red 22 have a more "fire engine" red to me. Or as I call it "Target Store" red (I used to work there)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/f0ab35ecafe90a4b316a0fcab540b351.jpg)
1979 with the 1963
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/8b3cb646f770c05f091fff8759122c7a.jpg)
By 1992 the reds look a little "duller" in comparison to the reds of yore... This picture doesn't do it justice but it has ZERO misting on the lid
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/b9d30f0d6b5f00bfb9823552cb920613.jpg)
1995 two tone
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/ec8c66b2817951f075938b2a27305156.jpg)
This is just my perspective I could be wrong..
Quote from: 1buckie on April 01, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
"rgb, hex, cmyk"
Those things are approximations of what actually goes into a color....rgb is an especially detestable way to go about arriving at a color Red, Green, Blue only can go so far in constructing subtleties, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black....quite a bit better, Hex, still a maybe....
Part of the problem here also is we're dealing with solid color, so then there's density thing.....the above systems are meant to work out shadings, lighter color areas, shadowing.....usually not just a block of color.....
A Pantone Matching color would get very close & account for "Darker does not mean more red" and possibly even "Metamerism" darker could mean more blue, but then what form of blue? maybe more black, in combination with a different base red.....
Computer monitors are notorious for being "off" in a number of ways & playing one person's setup against another's only compounds the problem....I could give you a very accurate NUMBER, as I see in a very flat, uninhibited way after years of use of the color matching system, but that would still involve monitors which basically fucks the whole deal.......
Hey Marty....how many Red Master Touch / One Touch Pluses do you have anyway?
Spoken like a true print guru! =D
As a web designer in the early ages of web adoption, the rgb/cmyk/pantone thing was BRUTAL.
I was working as the webmaster for a decent sized newspaper. Most advertisers had no designers or web presence so the newspaper would basically design all of their ads. Being print, and mac, and stubborn (the big 3) - they'd always design in pantone or cmyk. Clients would approve and I'd convert everything to rgb and code it all out for the web.
Then clients and designers would all shit their pants because the colors didn't match up exactly.
two things those salesmen could NEVER understand.
- print colors don't translate perfectly to web
- how to count the colors in an ad to charge the correct price and make sure the ads were printable
Quote from: 1buckie on April 01, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
Hey Marty....how many Red Master Touch / One Touch Pluses do you have anyway?
None actually. But I think you all knew that. That shot was from an early meetup where several grillfellas boots exploded onto the parking lot of the Weber Grill in Schaumburg. It was like an urgent game of giant checkers. Let's just say lids were exchanged.
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Mine doesn't have an orange hue to it. Maybe its a newer Wood Dale? It does have a bowl handle that is completely offset though...
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg.html)
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg.html)
@harris92 That offset bowl handle looks terrible. It really shouldn't be seen in your collection. Just go ahead and send it up to me and I'll make sure it stays out of public view. ;) ;) ;)
This Wood Dale seems lighter than the newer redheads, although it sat outside in the weather for 30+ years so it is quite faded.
@zavod44 could shed some more light on this.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/ddeysenroth/68D87A96-ECDF-4432-9B7D-48E3120E3B0E_zpsqspym1bd.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/ddeysenroth/media/68D87A96-ECDF-4432-9B7D-48E3120E3B0E_zpsqspym1bd.jpg.html)
@Dan NY LOL. It makes no difference to me what shade of red they are. I like em.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedMLH2_zpsc442c8cb.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedMLH2_zpsc442c8cb.jpg.html)
Quote from: Dan NY on April 02, 2015, 03:35:27 AM
Quote from: harris92 on April 01, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Mine doesn't have an orange hue to it. Maybe its a newer Wood Dale? It does have a bowl handle that is completely offset though...
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodA_zpse59ddc97.jpg.html)
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/slieberman92/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/slieberman92/media/RedWoodD_zpsf96ce299.jpg.html)
@harris92 That offset bowl handle looks terrible. It really shouldn't be seen in your collection. Just go ahead and send it up to me and I'll make sure it stays out of public view. ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: MartyG on April 01, 2015, 01:03:12 PM
Don't make me talk about Metamerism again...
Way too many variables to come even close to an answer on this. Light source, Light angle. Surface texture. Gloss level. Flat vs curved sample. Beer consumption. Not to mention the human eye.
I don't agree. I am talking narrowly about Wood Dale reds vs. those that came immediately after, nothing more. They are different hues, in the general sense.
Shrug.
BUMP.
1969-72 reds are much darker than previous (thumbscrew) or later. Here is a 1970 PAT PEND next to a 1981 C code. Picture doesn't do it justice but the '70 is much darker.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160217/0c11712902a9a896991f993830c9e677.jpg)
Sent from an Aqua Blue Western Electric Model 500.
I know my '78 red is BRIGHT!..looks like a big ol' cherry.
But I have seen older ones that look a bit darker. Maybe it's like the fades and they're all diffrent and unique.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk
It's not that the color is Orange, it just has more yellow in the red than blue. In the end they are certainly all red...