Then you whip out your credit card the run to the car.
I am at an Ace that I used to frequent often, their prices are always a little higher than most other places to I don't usually purchase stuff but they have a good selection...Until today.
I was perusing the selection of gassers, Q's and kettles then I noticed a newly assembled Master-Touch (One of my Goals for 2015). Then noticed the price tag.
I immediately tried to play it cool with the sales rep and asked if I could simply purchase the floor model. I whipped out my CC and ran to the car.
First a couple of pics, then the price.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7360/16204248118_d47c150a09_c.jpg)
Standing tall next to its 22 year old cousin.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/15771855983_93f876c738_c.jpg)
...And the price that I paid
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8623/16205658029_141fdbdeea_c.jpg)
Thief!
You the man!!! Good to see guy.
Karma returns !!!!
Goal #1 accomplished! Nice.
Winz
I am very envious, I just paid 200 clams for my masters touch last week
Nice deal! And well played!
Shoot, I'm gonna head to my local Ace tomorrow.
Quote from: LightningBoldtz on January 28, 2015, 03:55:50 PM
I was perusing the selection of gassers, Q's and kettles then I noticed a newly assembled Master-Touch (One of my Goals for 2015). Then noticed the price tag.
I immediately tried to play it cool with the sales rep and asked if I could simply purchase the floor model. I whipped out my CC and ran to the car.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8623/16205658029_141fdbdeea_c.jpg)
they mis-labeled a new MT as a 22.5 OTS. you knew it but played along.
ACE doesn't put new products on sale for 60% off.
good karma comes when you take it back and let them know of their mistake.
good luck with your decision.
@LightningBoldtz
GregS, I have considered placing a call with them.
SO Greg brings up an interesting point with regards to the morally right thing to do.
They actually didn't have it mislabel as a OTS because they had both OTS 18 and 22 on the floor and lableled differently.
This was labeled as it is on the Receipt as black kettle. There is a law, atleast in Michigan that a store has to sell you a product for the price they have it labeled for.
Morally and ethically did I go against any moral code here? I am interested in your thoughts, I was thrilled at the thought of getting a Master-touch, 40% normal price was unreal.
No way did you do anything wrong L.B.! The receipt shows a 22.5 black kettle and that is what you got. Think on it no more bud.
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Mistakes happen. It goes both ways. I know I've been over charged before by accident. It usually isn't worth the trouble of trying to get it corrected if you are already home. This happens all the time at the grocery store around here. Even if he calls them and tells them of their mistake, there is a good chance that they will tell you to not worry about it. I've had that happen to me before as well.
I do care about my reputation here on the board so I would like to get your opinion, and I know it will vary from person to person. I knew it was a good deal, I was excited at the thought of snagging the new Master-touch so I went with it.
@GregS I certainly hope you don't think less of me. I probably will let the person know that he might want to check the price of the kettle, and BTW if he came back to me as said that is the price, I may go back and by his stock out.
@LightningBoldtz I wouldn't loose sleep over it, it is not your fail they mislabeled it. Here is what you should have walked out with.
https://shop.alsacehardware.com/inet/storefront/store.php?mode=showproductdetail&product=-1&link_id=-1&link_itemcode=8266827&category=&department=88&class=868&fineline=086802
I have informed Ace of their mistake.......
LB - only you can decide on the right course of action. None of our options matter. But I will give you mine anyway :)
At one time I had the opportunity to purchase a Wood Dale Westerner off CL for $55 while on eBay an auction for the same grill was at $2,000. One could argue that "morally" I should have informed the buyer that the grill was worth far more than they were asking, but I don't believe that was my duty. The seller or retailer is responsible for setting the price they want to sell an item for. If they are ignorant to market value, or have made a mistake in pricing the item, it is not your responsibility as a buyer to correct them. If it was, we would all have to stop buying "great deals" on craigslist.
Unfortunately, someone else decided to let the seller know about the Ebay auction so my price went up CONSIDERABLY. But thats another story.
You made a good buy in my book! And informing them of their mistake is extra Karma points.
Winz
good on you!
hopefully whoever mis-tagged it keeps their job and learns from it.
you def earn some good karma from it too.
@LightningBoldtz also i'd just pay them the difference, no sense in bringing back a perfectly good MT. ;)
Quote from: glrasmussen on January 29, 2015, 06:15:14 AM
@LightningBoldtz
I wouldn't loose sleep over it, it is not your fail they mislabeled it. Here is what you should have walked out with.
https://shop.alsacehardware.com/inet/storefront/store.php?mode=showproductdetail&product=-1&link_id=-1&link_itemcode=8266827&category=&department=88&class=868&fineline=086802
I'm not going to chime in with an opinion on the moral question, however I will say the no one should walk out with one of those!
Quote from: ClubChapin on January 29, 2015, 07:42:32 AM
Quote from: glrasmussen on January 29, 2015, 06:15:14 AM
@LightningBoldtz
I wouldn't loose sleep over it, it is not your fail they mislabeled it. Here is what you should have walked out with.
https://shop.alsacehardware.com/inet/storefront/store.php?mode=showproductdetail&product=-1&link_id=-1&link_itemcode=8266827&category=&department=88&class=868&fineline=086802
I'm not going to chime in with an opinion on the moral question, however I will say the no one should walk out with one of those!
Agreed
Wow that is awesome. I would of bought it just on price alone and I don't even need it. Really like your blue MT as well. Need to look for one of those sometime.
Quote from: LightningBoldtz on January 29, 2015, 06:05:19 AM
I do care about my reputation here on the board so I would like to get your opinion, and I know it will vary from person to person. I knew it was a good deal, I was excited at the thought of snagging the new Master-touch so I went with it.
@GregS I certainly hope you don't think less of me. I probably will let the person know that he might want to check the price of the kettle, and BTW if he came back to me as said that is the price, I may go back and by his stock out.
"I do care about my reputation here on the board"
That's pretty much beyond reproach as far as I've heard.........
If you happen to get in the way of a good turn by way of a simple mistake, the cosmic, overreaching reason for it probably has something to do with the fact that you've helped a bunch of people here & beyond in all kinds of ways leading up to this..........I'm so horribly honest that I get nailed to the wall frequently by way of it, so if I were you, I'd just sit still & take it in the shorts this time............ 8)
You can't know, also, absolutely that a floor model might be knocked down quite a bit in the first place.... ;)
Keep the Deal....... ;D
What's with this moral stuff? He, as a consumer went to a store and purchased a product. That's the end of it. It's not like he switched labels or did anything illegal. The store listed the product and he purchased it. What's unethical about that? Let's not start judging people because they got a good deal, based on a corporate mistake. He wasn't obligated to tell the sales person that there may be an error. What if they were actually selling it for the listed price. But, since there was a listed price, he did nothing wrong.
I am missing something here???
@LightningBoldtz was the grill wrongly tagged? If you are just assuming it was you may be wrong. The price was not ridiculously low. They have a code of practice regarding scanning where I work. The price on the shelf IS the price. If it scans higher you get it for up to 10 bucks less than the price should have been. If mistakes were made the customer gets his deal and we fix it afterwards.
As far as your reputation goes....there ought to be no questions. What Buckie said about Karma and you having it coming back to you....you gotta know I fully agree.
Dude, You're cool with me.
Thanks for the comments, I am really just fishing for a little discussion here. I knew it was a fantastic deal which is why I bought it and ran with it. It was earlier noted that the item that I purchased should have been something else according to the sku. With that knowledge I did do the store a solid and inform them.
Everyone is going to have different opinions and justifications as to what is morally right. I did not do anything underhanded I did not switch tags or anything with something else. I asked if I could have the product for the price it was set to. I will sleep fine at night.
from a kettle stand point when they came out with the new Master-touch I had it on my bucket list for 2015. Mission accomplished
Quote from: LightningBoldtz on January 29, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Thanks for the comments, I am really just fishing for a little discussion here. I knew it was a fantastic deal which is why I bought it and ran with it. It was earlier noted that the item that I purchased should have been something else according to the sku. With that knowledge I did do the store a solid and inform them.
Everyone is going to have different opinions and justifications as to what is morally right. I did not do anything underhanded I did not switch tags or anything with something else. I asked if I could have the product for the price it was set to. I will sleep fine at night.
from a kettle stand point when they came out with the new Master-touch I had it on my bucket list for 2015. Mission accomplished
lol. If you don't want it, heck, I'll give you $89.00 and will buy it from you. lol
I want to know what "black 22.5 inch kettle" they were TRYING to sell for $79.99?!? That's a good deal on a simple OTS!
guys guys guys
look at the receipt, it says Weber kettle black 22.5
no silver, no masters touch, no serial number, nothin else
now look at the price, 79.99, that is what 18.5 kettles sell for
22.5 sell for 99.99 plus tax
He got a great deal no mater what you claim, the store either was holding a sale on 22.5 kettles or 22.5 master touches.
OK so he decides not to chance it and take the floor sample, (by the way were all the goodies in there?)
and some guys are looking at him strange?
Look at it this way, that same company would sell that thing for 299.99 if they could.
GO try and buy a car and see how much you have to shop around to get a good deal. Businesses will tell you they are not in business to lose money, but this is a computerized world and that thing said 79.99 for a 22.5 weber kettle, black.
He bought it.
If you go into a store and they give you back 2 dollars extra change, and you notice it when you get home, do you drive back and give them the 2 dollars?
He scored, not only that he scored on the tax, 4,80 on 80 bucks, that is like 6%, I pay 8.75 out here
"If you go into a store and they give you back 2 dollars extra change, and you notice it when you get home, do you drive back and give them the 2 dollars?"
Sometimes.......... 8)
I have a place I've shopped for years that has a full line of Weber stuff....spread across two buildings & some real high end stuff in the second building....no discounts ever, except season's end closeout floor models....
At 1st read, I'm thinking the price was mostly because of it being the floor model....could be as simple as that.....
Quote from: 1buckie on January 29, 2015, 04:05:02 PM
I have a place I've shopped for years that has a full line of Weber stuff....spread across two buildings & some real high end stuff in the second building....no discounts ever, except season's end closeout floor models....
At 1st read, I'm thinking the price was mostly because of it being the floor model....could be as simple as that.....
still, 79.99 is the 18.5 price, no mater what, it was discounted for some reason did it have the baskets and the warming shelf in it?
Quote from: Jammamto on January 29, 2015, 04:09:00 PM
Quote from: 1buckie on January 29, 2015, 04:05:02 PM
I have a place I've shopped for years that has a full line of Weber stuff....spread across two buildings & some real high end stuff in the second building....no discounts ever, except season's end closeout floor models....
At 1st read, I'm thinking the price was mostly because of it being the floor model....could be as simple as that.....
still, 79.99 is the 18.5 price, no mater what, it was discounted for some reason did it have the baskets and the warming shelf in it?
It came complete.
Quote from: Jammamto on January 29, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
guys guys guys
look at the receipt, it says Weber kettle black 22.5
no silver, no masters touch, no serial number, nothin else
now look at the price, 79.99, that is what 18.5 kettles sell for
22.5 sell for 99.99 plus tax
He got a great deal no mater what you claim, the store either was holding a sale on 22.5 kettles or 22.5 master touches.
OK so he decides not to chance it and take the floor sample, (by the way were all the goodies in there?)
and some guys are looking at him strange?
Look at it this way, that same company would sell that thing for 299.99 if they could.
GO try and buy a car and see how much you have to shop around to get a good deal. Businesses will tell you they are not in business to lose money, but this is a computerized world and that thing said 79.99 for a 22.5 weber kettle, black.
He bought it.
If you go into a store and they give you back 2 dollars extra change, and you notice it when you get home, do you drive back and give them the 2 dollars?
He scored, not only that he scored on the tax, 4,80 on 80 bucks, that is like 6%, I pay 8.75 out here
His receipt doesn't say Weber at all. Take another look.
@glrasmussen pointed out in his previous post that it should have been this grill in this link: https://shop.alsacehardware.com/inet/storefront/store.php?mode=showproductdetail&product=-1&link_id=-1&link_itemcode=8266827&category=&department=88&class=868&fineline=086802
Check the description and item number. They are perfect matches.
I'm not reposting this because I think he did anything wrong. Just to keep the information posted in this thread accurate.
What if an uniformed buyer would have come across this? Someone that doesn't know anything about these grills. The store would have been out still. I see nothing wrong with this at all. He was at the right place at the right time.
@LightningBoldtz , I'm curious to hear what the store had to say when you told them of the pricing mistake.
I actually didn't call them, when I found the information that glrasmussen posted I e-mailed them at the address on the receipt and informed them that the model that they have was incorrect and posted a link to both.
nobody's gonna buy that char brol thing with the 299 price tag on it.
that's for sure.
This is such an interesting topic of conversation and I really like the healthy discussion going on. It's such a grey area and I find it difficult to choose a firm stance one way or the other.
First off I have zero issues with LB snagging the grill and do not question his character one bit. He's done lot's for many and deserves a little kickback in the Weber department! This was a in the right place at the right time scenario in my mind...
... That being said, having the knowledge ahead of time that it was mislabelled does tug at the morality heart strings a little bit.
Just to be devils advocate and to keep the conversation going, how/would everyone's opinion change at all in either of the two scenarios below?
1) What if it wasn't a large chain store such as Ace, and instead a small town hardware store where grandma and grandpa have trouble scraping together the monthly rent?
2) What if you were to find out that the grill was labelled by young kid struggling to get by, and that he lost his job because of the mistake?
Once again, congrats on the score Jeff... and don't worry my cousin will find another job eventually. ;) ;D ;) (Kidding!)
Quote from: SixZeroFour on January 30, 2015, 09:17:17 AM
1) What if it wasn't a large chain store such as Ace, and instead a small town hardware store where grandma and grandpa have trouble scraping together the monthly rent?
2) What if you were to find out that the grill was labelled by young kid struggling to get by, and that he lost his job because of the mistake?
Grill is going back, I just can't deal with the guilt anymore. HAHA
I love Devils advocate questions.
The grill will not be going back, and I am not really sure how to answer those questions about if it would change. I know in this case I did talk to the manager of the area, a guy who is quite involved in the sales of Weber grills.
I was recently at an Ace hardware store and noticed an item, on the shelf, priced at what I thought was a very good price, so I grabbed it. The item itself was not marked with the lower price only a large sign on the shelf. As I was checking out I noticed the item rang up at a much higher price. I mentioned to the clerk that the item rang up incorrectly. The clerk went to the shelf, saw the item was the correct item, and clearly advertised at a lower price. She came back and told me that it was a mistake but gave it to me at the lower price anyway because it was their policy. I gladly took the lower price and never thought twice about it. I was happy about it until I read this thread.
Now after reading this thread, I'm thinking did I do something immoral? Should I have said no I will pay the higher price for knowing it was a mistake?
Quote from: SixZeroFour on January 30, 2015, 09:17:17 AM1) What if it wasn't a large chain store such as Ace, and instead a small town hardware store where grandma and grandpa have trouble scraping together the monthly rent?
@SixZeroFour both of the ace hardware stores i shop at are family owned. i doubt they'd qualify as a large chain store like HD or Loews in that case.
three generations of zimmermans work at the nearest store to my house. grandpa works there, his name is jim.
Big company or small company aside. Here is the scenario, the label on the grill was the same as I showed on the receipt Black Kettle 22" for $79.99. I called the manager over and asked if I could have that grill for that price, he said certainly and helped me wheel it to the register.
It is not say GrillMark Black Kettle it was not that descriptive. Did I know it was a steal of a price, uh yeah. Now the question is, did I do anything underhanded to get that price? I did not switch labels, I didn't do anything to deceive or misrepresent as I purchased the product. I did not know why they had it for that price when I purchased it.
When I did find the actual grill I did make it a point to inform the store so they could correct their error.
Again, I love this discussion, I brought it up understanding that people opinions would vary. I am a big boy, a moral person and can take a little disagreement. In fact, I want it, I am the type of person who takes many different angles of something to try to come up with a conclusion.
JDD - I personally don't think you did anything wrong but you see what I did and it is very similar.
Mr Botlz
I see you did nothing wrong
oh and they are right it does not say Weber, just black kettle
If you asked, and they said YEA, then you cleared yourself.
As I said you do not know why they are selling it for so little just that they are. Businesses do not do stuff to lose money, sometimes they do things to recover money, I have bought stuff below cost because they wanted to move something to recover money.
Now was it a mistake? has every time you made a mistake someone came up to you and offered to make it right?
What the problem is we do not know if it was a mistake and the manager wheeled it up to the register with you.
Sounds legit to me. Now he may find latter he made a mistake and find a way not to make it again. But are you responsible if you asked the manager if you could have that grill for that amount of money and he agreed? You gave him the opportunity to check it out, the opportunity to review his product and price.
For the low prices guys are getting kettles off of Kijiji, craigs list, ebay and estate sales im shocked that this would even come up. People should be happy for Boldtz instead of telling him this or that. And integrity wise getting an old kettle off of a widow or someones children for 10s of dollars knowing its worth 100s is much more of a moral dilemma to me because its hurting the seller on an individual level.
GregS have you never gotten a good deal on a kettle through craigs list or otherwise and handed someone cash for it knowing its worth more?
The man walked into a store and paid the labeled price. Good on you Boldtz I'm happy you got a deal you've done a lot of good for people on this board allowing people to ship items to your house and storing it for them as well as selling your own items to members for a very low price, less than you could get on craigs list and etc.
I'm new here so I'm not trying to ruffle feathers but Boldtz is a solid guy and shouldn't be made to feel bad for getting a good deal on a kettle.
Let's not forget the Mothership that
@LightningBoldtz donated to his church (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/bbq-food-pics/first-cook-on-church-donated-ranch-kettle/). That deserves a lifetime of Kettle Karma.
GregS has his opinion on the situation, it is different than mine and I am good with that. I want this to be a healthy discussion, I don't want this to turn sour because people might not agree with what I did. We are all different in different ways and have differing opinions for many circumstances.
GregS and I talked on the side and we are perfectly fine.
Good discussion, let's continue to keep it on the positive. :)
Quote from: MacEggs on January 30, 2015, 12:58:49 PM
Let's not forget the Mothership that @LightningBoldtz donated to his church (http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/bbq-food-pics/first-cook-on-church-donated-ranch-kettle/). That deserves a lifetime of Kettle Karma.
That is funny, out of all the things that I thought I would get flack for from the group that was it. You donated what to where?
HAHA
Personally if there is something I want to purchase I tend to shop around research and find the best deal I can get. Wouldn't do anything I consider underhanded like switch price tags or anything like that but if I go in a store and see something priced much lower than expected I tend to do the same thing you did. I will usually find a manager and ask if the price is correct, if they tell me it is then I'm buying. If they say no that's not right (and it has happened) I don't argue I just move on. I have told managers that is a steal before as I was checking out but never insisted they were wrong and needed to charge me more.
Quote from: AcrossFromHoss on January 30, 2015, 12:43:59 PM
GregS have you never gotten a good deal on a kettle through craigs list or otherwise and handed someone cash for it knowing its worth more?
apples and oranges to what we are discussing here.
Quote from: LightningBoldtz on January 30, 2015, 01:02:47 PM
GregS has his opinion on the situation, it is different than mine and I am good with that.
i don't think i've stated any opinions as of yet. i pointed out my take on what happened and stated you had a decision to make, which you made. (http://www.informationr.net/ir/18-1/emoticon2.jpg)
the only opinion i have on the matter is that the new MT and the new 26 lay waste to every "kettle" that's come before them. finally us tall guys can grill without suffering lower back pain from bending over so far to flip a god dammned burger.
Quote from: GregS on January 31, 2015, 05:36:33 AM
the only opinion i have on the matter is that the new MT and the new 26 lay waste to every "kettle" that's come before them. finally us tall guys can grill without suffering lower back pain from bending over so far to flip a god dammned burger.
Amen!
This thread seems to have morphed into "What do you do if you are undercharged"
Personally, if I am OVERcharged I complain so I feel that I (and no one else) should bring it to the cashier's/stores attention if I am UNDERcharged. BUT if I don't like something about the cashier/store I don't.
Few things are black/white, so many shades of grey 8)
Greg, you avoidance and deflection skills would make you a great politician. You stated your opinion on page #2 saying you would take it back and pay the difference. And putting a guilt trip on Boldtz in the first place just rubbed me the wrong way which is why I chimed in. The validity of my question is centered around me asking you if you've ever paid less than the value of a kettle regardless of it was retail or off a private seller and if you have maybe you should look through your message history and shoot them a few bucks. And I apologize if that sounds rude you seem like a great guy and have been a solid contributor here long before my time I just feel you overstepped a little bit on this one and are now backtracking.
Ok guys lets all take a step back for a second. Many different people have shared opinions and each is entititled to their own. There has been some really great discussion so far so let's not get sidetracked :) I don't think any feelings have been hurt up to this point so let's get back to the topic itself - no need to make things personal.
8)
Yup......
....it does boil down to personal choice & each has their own......
I agree, let's not take this south and get personal, I encouraged the discussion to see what everyone thought. I am comfortable in my skin and as a church going man, I am comfortable with the decision that I have made and what I did to inform the store. Everyone is different, some people might think I am Satan spawn for doing what I did while other would say why didn't you buy the store out.
GregS love ya and appreciate your input, AcrossfromHoss love ya and appreciate your input. Let's keep it on the level otherwise I will feel awful for encouraging the discussion.
Now next topic, How do you feel about Obama? No, no let's not get started. :)
Now next topic, How do you feel about Obama? No, no let's not get started. :)
His wife won't let him eat enough BBQ.....
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