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Grill Talk => Weber Grill Forum (Grills, Accessories) => Topic started by: UserGone on June 01, 2017, 08:28:40 AM
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No, I'm not after that nice wooden handle Westerner that's listed on eBay currently with 26 bids and up to $885. Still two days left till the real bidding begins.
I know a Westerner is considered a Grail to many members here.
How does one justify spending $1,500+ on one Weber Kettle?
I've been reading on how some of you break down the cost of fuel (charcoal) down to each pound. What prices not to buy charcoal at and what prices not to pass up and stock up.
My Grail is a 1995 NFL Edition Master Touch in my team. I'm lucky to have recently acquired it and for only a fraction of the cost.
Lets just say this NIB rare kettle only has a resale value of $250. One could easily justify spending that amount as the breakdown per use would be pennies to the dollar. If I could cook out every weekend, thats 52 times each year. Weber has a 10 year warranty so lets use this spread out over 10 years. Thats a possible five hundred and twenty times the kettle would be available to be used every weekend. At $250, My cost would only be $0.50 each time I'd use it.
Knowing that I'd be one of possibly 7-9 other people that will ever be able to own a Packers NFL Edition MT. That would be awesome especially come Game Day Packer Parties.
I know I could even afford $1, $2 or even up to $5 each time. It's a small price to pay to be able to bask in the awesomeness off grilling on your Grail. After all, it has to cost an arm and a leg. Otherwise anyone could own one and it wouldn't be considered a Grail.
What I can't afford to spend is $20 just to fire it up every weekend. That initial purchase cost would be way over $10,000 spread out over the 10 year period estimate. Hard to justify spending that kind of dough on any Grail.
So now I know what I can and can't afford to spend.
How do you few that have spent over $1,200 on one Weber kettle justify doing this? Is it viewed as an investment to be stored away in hope to gain a future profit return?
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I'd wager that it comes down to the fact that A: they really want it, and B: they have the disposable income for it. At some economic level, you don't have to justify the cost. You want it, you buy it.
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BTW, I think some of your math might be off somewhere. You said this:
I know I could even afford $1, $2 or even up to $5 each time. It's a small price to pay to be able to bask in the awesomeness off grilling on your Grail. After all, it has to cost an arm and a leg.
Using it once per week = 52 times per year, X 10 years + 520 times. You said you'd even spend $5 each time, that's $5x520= $2600, just over twice the $1200 for a kettle that you asked about.
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Different strokes for different folks. I spend money on what makes me happy.
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Math is correct.
I just asked anyone that has spent over $1,200 on a single Weber kettle. On a vintage kettle, not the new Summit model.
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$1500 is not very much money to a lot of people. I'm not saying me, but there are a great deal of people out there that $1500.00 is what $15 is to you and me.
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But when I spend $15, it's a fast transaction. Faster than I have earned those $15 I just spent.
I know a few ppl that have more money than they know what to do with and it takes them days to make a purchase. They think and think and then need a consumer report summary for it. Then they sleep on it.
So I know some don't spend $1,500 like I spend $15. They might not even spend $15 like I spend $15.
Probably one of the reasons they have more money than you and I. Cause they are very careful with purchases and don't lurk around this forum.
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While I am always on the look out for a "Grail", I rarely spend more than a couple hundred dollars because while I really enjoy having them, the hunt is also a really big part of this for me. Finding that Grail for a really good price is what keeps me into this. I am sure I could write a check and get the vast majority of the Grails I am looking for, but to me, that is not where all the fun is. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but in general, the excitement of the hunt is what I really enjoy. I love cooking on them and collecting them, but I really enjoy finding a good deal.
As for justifying them, it really comes down to 1) do I have to have it right now and 2) can I pay for it. If the answer is yes to both of those, then there is your justification. Plain and simple. There are some that I would just write the check for because, well, if I find it, when am I going to get another chance to purchase one. That in itself is justification for me.
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It's not even about income and financial abilities.
To some, they'll sacrifice whatever needed to get their fix.
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But when I spend $15, it's a fast transaction. Faster than I have earned those $15 I just spent.
I know a few ppl that have more money than they know what to do with and it takes them days to make a purchase. They think and think and then need a consumer report summary for it. Then they sleep on it.
So I know some don't spend $1,500 like I spend $15. They might not even spend $15 like I spend $15.
Probably one of the reasons they have more money than you and I. Cause they are very careful with purchases and don't lurk around this forum.
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I've known well to do folks who will think things over as you say, and others who would spend without a second thought. Really funny thing is that some people will do both, all depending on the item.
One of my clients hemmed and hawed over spending $100 for a backup hard drive back before the cloud existed. I had to argue with him about it and he still took a few days to say yes.
There was another time that I asked if he wanted to join me on a fishing trip, so he went out that afternoon and dropped over $1k on an Old Town canoe, a roof top carrier, a couple of fishing poles, some tackle, wading gear, etc. He basically walked into the outfitter store and said "outfit me".
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It's not even about income and financial abilities.
To some, they'll sacrifice whatever needed to get their fix.
It's like a drug man...I need my fix[emoji3]
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It's not even about income and financial abilities.
To some, they'll sacrifice whatever needed to get their fix.
It's like a drug man...I need my fix[emoji3]
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It is a drug and that is why I go to a counselor not to fix my habit but just to talk about it LOL I am not wealthy by any means but I will pay if I have to and what I have to to get what I want when it's there Weber or otherwise
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I don't know what justification has to do with it. People buy crap all the time that they want. Just like the guy in every neighborhood that has a little sail boat that's an eye sore and he can't sell. You know the ones. Dirty cover on it and looks like it's been sitting forever [emoji23]
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We are all hoarders deep down inside. Everyone has their thing that they collect and can't let go of.
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when it comes to collecting it's not about cost per usage, it's about having that item in your collection. what it's worth to have it in the collection is up to the collector who may or may not never use it. counting shipping, i spent around $100 for this --> http://weberkettleclub.com/forums/weber-kettles-accessories/new-york-giants-smokey-joe-unveiled/msg138271/#msg138271
and have only used it the one time i mentioned in the thread and to me, it was and is worth every penny i spent
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Its about the entertainment value..Some people play golf, some gamble, some drink and party..
Most here add grilling into their daily meal routine. Having a grill that you enjoy, makes it all the more worth it
One grail will lead to another and yet another.
For this group, the ultimate grail is probably finding one of George's first prototype in a basement or attic.
You can't put a cash value on quality of life and memories.
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Its about the entertainment value..Some people play golf, some gamble, some drink and party..
Most here add grilling into their daily meal routine. Having a grill that you enjoy, makes it all the more worth it
One grail will lead to another and yet another.
For this group, the ultimate grail is probably finding one of George's first prototype in a basement or attic.
You can't put a cash value on quality of life and memories.
EXACTLY!
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22 inch 49er NFL edition. I'd do breakfast lunch and dinner on it.... and yes I'd use the shit out of it
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22 inch 49er NFL edition. I'd do breakfast lunch and dinner on it.... and yes I'd use the shit out of it
I once came across a 49er Smokey Joe. The guy would not part with it. You could tell he cooked the crap out of it.
He had no problem selling me his blue platinum.
I guess my grail is a NIB Steelers SJ. I would bring it out on Game Day. 8)
@LiquidOcelot
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22 inch 49er NFL edition. I'd do breakfast lunch and dinner on it.... and yes I'd use the shit out of it
I once came across a 49er Smokey Joe. The guy would not part with it. You could tell he cooked the crap out of it.
He had no problem selling me his blue platinum.
I guess my grail is a NIB Steelers SJ. I would bring it out on Game Day. 8)
@LiquidOcelot
I would gladly own any NFL teams smokey joe, even the seahawks..... maybe the Seahawks
fuck the seahawks [emoji23]
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Lol.. So you're saying the seahawks are a maybe... @LiquidOcelot
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Who gives a shit! If you want it. If you can afford it. If you like it. Buy it and enjoy it. Stop trying to justify it.
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Right on Darko. We can't take the kettles or money with us when we leave this earth so enjoy them both now.
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Justify? You got a woman problem? Or sorry....are you a woman?
If the answer to the last 2 questions was no......then stop worrying, start enjoying life and figure out what you want. If it's a Weber Kettle and you don't want it sell it to one of us.
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So that Westerner sold on eBay... For just north of $2k. Congrats to the seller and to the new owner who is almost certainly active in this forum.
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Sorry for the silly way of buying used kettles question.
I just see too many similar questions being asked but not the way I laid it out. They are more in the, "found this for $60, Is it worth it?"
I know $60 shouldn't break anyone's bank but still they choose ask the question as they might be unsure if that $60 used kettle has any value. Maybe they ask because they don't want to have issues later when time comes to pass that kettle on.
But I can understand the if you want it, can afford it, then just buy it type of attitude. I've made most of my purchases using this gut feeling, pull the trigger buying tactic most of my life anyway. It's just easier buying stuff that way.
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I'd wager that it comes down to the fact that A: they really want it, and B: they have the disposable income for it. At some economic level, you don't have to justify the cost. You want it, you buy it.
^^^^ THIS! RIGHT HERE! Sums it up!!
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I'd buy that Westerner for 2k, if I really wanted it bad. Of course, ultimate satisfaction of owning something like that would be to enjoy cooking on it.
Who cares what they are worth when you sell. No need to justify cost as there are no set values for any rare or special edition kettles. It is all about you knowing how special it is to you and be able to appreciate by enjoy using it.
Not a kettle but, even real car guy Jay leno drives all his most rare cars some probably costing over mil. No fun in displaying only or still in box. We only live once. You don't want someone else having all the fun cooking on it after you are gone.
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I'd buy that Westerner for 2k, if I really wanted it bad. Of course, ultimate satisfaction of owning something like that would be to enjoy cooking on it.
Who cares what they are worth when you sell. No need to justify cost as there are no set values for any rare or special edition kettles. It is all about you knowing how special it is to you and be able to appreciate by enjoy using it.
Not a kettle but, even real car guy Jay leno drives all his most rare cars some probably costing over mil. No fun in displaying only or still in box. We only live once. You don't want someone else having all the fun cooking on it after you are gone.
True, but I'd pay a lot more for a brand new NIB pair of underwear than a used pair of underwear. Not saying some don't like used underwear, it just has to be worth less.
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At the end of the day, these grills are worth what you're willing to pay for them. I whole heartedly agree that these are meant to be used and enjoyed. I just know from recent sales of Westerners over the past 6 months what I will need to set aside for one. Roughly.
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@ Smokin Performer - Look at it from the original owners perspective of these few rare NOS kettles that come up for sale once in a while. They might had a same reasoning as you keeping in box. I wonder if they got anything out of purchasing that kettle paying good money for it back then. Did they have fun cooking on the kettle? No. Did they make any money back keeping it NOS? probably not as most are found forgotten in attic, basement, or in a shed by other family members and almost given away to others. Where is the fun in doing that! Even if you are lucky enough to sell and make few bucks on it. Is it worth it ? Just saying.
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Greenweb, ever since I've been going to local estate sales. (About 5 years now) I started just looking for old hand tools for personal use. Then I began opening my eyes and seeing about 10 regular buyers at every estate sale. These people are here to make a living buying and reselling items. I started purchasing the few scraps these regulars leave behind. Basically anything pre 1980 and NIB items that were very cheap. I'm talking in the less than $7 range.
I sold a $4 purchase price 1967 new never been used Browning Casting fishing rod for a whopping $465 as the bids seamed to never end the final 45 seconds.
This made me happy and sad at the same time. I wondered why it had never been used in all these years. It still had the original factory plastic wrapped around the cork grip. Original 1967 tags and brochure. I wondered if it was originally gifted to s person that never gone fishing. Wondered if it was supposed to be some kind of a rare collectors item. I don't know and still don't. All I knew was that the other 2 same model fishing rods that were used and abused that were currently listed had only been bid up to $45-$65. So I expected to break $80 as mine was still new inside its original Browning Rod tube.
The winner of this rod was so excited to pay the winning amount that he messaged me after. He said this was the same model fishing rod his father bought him as his first rod. He had lost this rod after many years of service and now wanted to buy another one to bring back memories. He never imagined finding a new one and said that he would never use it. He was going to display it at his cabin instead. It's only new once.
I'm still puzzled by some NIB items I've purchased. It's weird seeing them and holding the package in your hands. That alone is priceless but many wouldn't understand.
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My most expensive kettle is Roswell, my Ranch Kettle (thanx Winz), and I paid far less for it than a new Ranch. On the other end, I bought my Weber Gas Kettle Cart for like $20 and then turned around and bought all new wood for it from Brian. Did I need to spend 8x the cost of the grill on new wood? No, but I had the cash and the wood looks great. It's gonna be great when I get this thing finished.