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Title: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 05, 2018, 04:01:31 PM
I used the gas assist to fire up some apple wood I had. They were chunks and finally fizzled out after an hour. I put some hickory chips in and relit for the second hour. One was a habanero pepper cheese and the other some sort of cheddar. I used all wood taking advantage of the cold weather.  I couldnít resist and took a couple bites and understand why they need to chill a bit. They are very smokey. I think these will be good.
First cheese smoke so who knows.
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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Travis on January 05, 2018, 04:20:02 PM
So all together it went about 2 hours? How long will you let them sit in the bag?


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 05, 2018, 04:23:39 PM

So all together it went about 2 hours? How long will you let them sit in the bag?


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Yes. About 2 hours. Iím a little concerned by the color. Looks a little different from what Iíve seen. My temp was all over the place so who knows. I plan to wait a couple weeks but thatís going to be tough lol.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Travis on January 05, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
I actually thought it had a nice color to it. Mike @mikerocksthered had sent me some cheese he smoked last year. I remember having a look like that too. He had some that he smoked for a couple hours and others that went upwards of 4. I liked the shorter smoked one. They definitely get unique flavors with them.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: SMOKE FREAK on January 06, 2018, 04:59:29 AM
I smoke cheese for only about one hour...I get very little color and just the right smoke flavor that I can still enjoy the cheese flavor...But I seem to be the only one that goes for less than two hours...
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: WNC on January 06, 2018, 05:00:51 AM
Yeah I think it look great too!
All these cheese smokes really have me want to try this out. I don't have a vacuum sealer though, can you store it for the weeks needed without one?


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 06, 2018, 05:08:15 AM

I smoke cheese for only about one hour...I get very little color and just the right smoke flavor that I can still enjoy the cheese flavor...But I seem to be the only one that goes for less than two hours...

I will probably go one hour next time. After one hour, it looked like they had enough smoke and the color was perfect. To be fair, I did run a little hot the second hour so not sure how that will affect it. They never came close to melting.


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Title: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 06, 2018, 05:09:51 AM
Yeah I think it look great too!
All these cheese smokes really have me want to try this out. I don't have a vacuum sealer though, can you store it for the weeks needed without one?


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Iím sure you could use Saran Wrap or a ziplock


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: robs2 on January 06, 2018, 06:46:09 AM
What temp are you trying to maintain?


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: JDann24 on January 06, 2018, 07:45:21 AM
What temp are you trying to maintain?


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Shoestringshop on January 06, 2018, 08:02:35 AM
Yeah I think it look great too!
All these cheese smokes really have me want to try this out. I don't have a vacuum sealer though, can you store it for the weeks needed without one?


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 06, 2018, 08:05:12 AM
I donít know but Iíve read on here to keep temp under 90 to keep cheese from melting so thatís what I was shooting for.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: WNC on January 06, 2018, 08:17:49 AM

Yeah I think it look great too!
All these cheese smokes really have me want to try this out. I don't have a vacuum sealer though, can you store it for the weeks needed without one?


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: SMOKE FREAK on January 06, 2018, 10:19:40 AM
Yeah I think it look great too!
All these cheese smokes really have me want to try this out. I don't have a vacuum sealer though, can you store it for the weeks needed without one?


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Yes you can wrap it tight in cling wrap and then bag it...As long as there is no air in the wrap it will last a long time...
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 06, 2018, 11:13:27 AM
So I was too impatient and had to try the cheese. Glad I did. Iíve learned a few things. It did work and tastes good but I will change a couple things. I started with apple and threw a handful of hickory chips later. Hickory is too strong for my taste.  Also, cheese smoking is a delicate process and I was a little arrogant in that I Ramboíd it my own way and should have used some of the more established ways for smoking. Having my temp too high at times caused the cheese to sweat which caused the oils of the cheese to be in the surface and combine with the smoke for an unpleasant flavor.

Luckily most of the unpleasant smoke laden oil stuck to the vac bags and Iíve resealed in new. The habanero cheddar is incredible smoked or not.

So the moral of the story is cheese smoking requires attention to detail. Do not drink a six pack and start chucking cheese on the smoker. This way works but will lack a certain quality in the end product. Luckily they turned out pretty good but my next time will be better.

I was also cooking wings and making Mac and cheese at the same time so I was fairly busy.

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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 06, 2018, 11:43:09 AM
Just ordered the maze using the link on wkc to amazon. Itís only $20 right now. My next cheese smoke will be executed with navy seal precision.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Shoestringshop on January 06, 2018, 11:52:45 AM
So I was too impatient and had to try the cheese. Glad I did. Iíve learned a few things. It did work and tastes good but I will change a couple things. I started with apple and threw a handful of hickory chips later. Hickory is too strong for my taste.  Also, cheese smoking is a delicate process and I was a little arrogant in that I Ramboíd it my own way and should have used some of the more established ways for smoking. Having my temp too high at times caused the cheese to sweat which caused the oils of the cheese to be in the surface and combine with the smoke for an unpleasant flavor.

Luckily most of the unpleasant smoke laden oil stuck to the vac bags and Iíve resealed in new. The habanero cheddar is incredible smoked or not.

So the moral of the story is cheese smoking requires attention to detail. Do not drink a six pack and start chucking cheese on the smoker. This way works but will lack a certain quality in the end product. Luckily they turned out pretty good but my next time will be better.

I was also cooking wings and making Mac and cheese at the same time so I was fairly busy.

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Looks great!
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: SixZeroFour on January 06, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
Donít give up on this yet! You need to let it rest much longer than a a couple days to truly check the results. Give it another 10 days in the fridge then try it again and I bet youíll taste a substantial difference. 8)
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: wessonjb on January 06, 2018, 04:19:24 PM
Just did 2 batches for the first time this week. Used amaz n tube with apple and cherry pellets. Did 4 hours and hoping thatís not too much. What Iíve read is that hard cheeses take that long. Got them sealed and waiting 2-3 weeks. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180107/59c6635dd7bdc7d52611925cb6f6eef7.jpg)


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 06, 2018, 04:33:12 PM
those look great wessonjb.  That's more the color I'm going for.  I just ordered the a-maze-n maze thing.  I was wondering if I should have bout the tube.  Hopefully it will work out.
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Kneab on January 07, 2018, 04:37:59 AM
I just got my Amazen Maze last night.
Testing it out in the Wsm with the pitmaster blend pellets.
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Plus 2.5 #s of cheese.
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So far so good.
Outside air temp 14įF
Inside Wsm temp 35įF
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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 07, 2018, 06:18:04 AM
Kneab, thatís awesome, Iím looking forward to using it. I was curious to know what temp would be too cold before the cheese would freeze instead of smoke. Looks like somewhere around 10 degrees outside temp would be the limit without adding a little heat to keep from freezing.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Kneab on January 07, 2018, 08:04:31 AM
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Pellets ran for a little under 3hrs.
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All shrink wrapped and thrown in the beer fridge.
I'll report back in 2 weeks.
Title: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 07, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
Iím surprised the temp creeped up to 51. So would you say the maze warms the smoker up approximately 30 degrees over outside temp?  That was with one side of the maze lit correct?  If thatís the case, then cheese smoking can happen anywhere between 5 degrees to 55 degrees outside temp approximately?

Thanks for tracking your temps. That really helps to gain an understanding.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Kneab on January 07, 2018, 08:32:46 AM
Yup I was surprised by the rise too.
Only one row of pellets, even with the top, lit on one end.
Title: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 08, 2018, 06:51:07 PM
Iím not a gadget guy but the a-maze-n pellet maze or equal is an absolute must have accessory for cold smoking. It was rock solid and only burned 1/3 in 4 hours. Works perfectly. I used the 26r and it held very consistent at around 20 degrees warmer than outside temp. It was 34 degrees outside and it held around 50 the entire time. I lit one side of the maze and it put out plenty of smoke. The cheese didnít get a lot of color but I can tell it took on a lot of smoke from a small bite I took.  Iím doing it right this time and waiting at least a week before I try it. I did one sharp cheddar, one Swiss, and 2 pepper jack. I used cherry pellets.

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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Darko on January 10, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
Yeah I think it look great too!
All these cheese smokes really have me want to try this out. I don't have a vacuum sealer though, can you store it for the weeks needed without one?


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If you dont have a vac sealer you can use zip lock bags. Fill a pot with water, put your cheese in a zip lock bag, Seal it up, but leave a bit open. Dip it in the pot slowly. The pressure of the water will push the air out of the bag. At the end seal it up and your good to go.
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: HoosierKettle on January 11, 2018, 03:31:00 AM
I noticed the Amish cheese store that I go to once in a great while uses plastic wrap. Howtobbqright used plastic wrap in his cheese video. I should have done one with plastic wrap to compare the flavor with the vac bag. I will switch to plastic wrap to save the vac bags if there is no benefit but I would like to test this.


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Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Heavydlite on January 11, 2018, 09:38:08 AM
I've been putting my smoked cheese in ziplock bags for many years. The oil residue from the smoke protects the cheese from getting mold, as long as I haven't touched the cheese with my hands.
I found mold will start on the places I've touched, so I invert the bag over my hand to grab the cheese.
Have had cheese last more than 2 months in the fridge, as long as it has not been cut into. That's why I cut the cheese into smaller chunks prior to smoking, that way it can be used up quickly.
Title: Re: Another cheese smoke
Post by: Darko on January 11, 2018, 10:26:45 AM
I have some 2 year old cheese, and there is no mould. Do not wipe the oil off. Once your cheese is smoked leave it on the counter for a while... up to 1 day then wrap it tightly with plastic wrap. It will last.